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Write-in poll: Do you believe in the Deep State or a secret

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May 18, 2022, 9:45 AM
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network of especially nonelected government officials and sometimes private entities (as in the financial services and defense industries) operating outside the law and in unison to influence and enact government policy?

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Write-in Poll II: Who doesnt believe that?***

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May 18, 2022, 9:47 AM
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If she's a hollerer, she'll be a screamer.
If she's a screamer, she'll get you arrested.


Me.***

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May 18, 2022, 9:52 AM
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Sane people.***

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Yall ever heard of the Federal Reserve?***


May 18, 2022, 10:05 AM
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If she's a hollerer, she'll be a screamer.
If she's a screamer, she'll get you arrested.


No, what's that?***

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Primary functioning arm of the World Bank...***


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Re: Yall ever heard of the Federal Reserve?***

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May 18, 2022, 10:17 AM
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The Fed Reserve pretty openly controls monetary policy.

What people really don't know is that they are all lizard people from the center of the Earth.

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...or jet-setters that orgy-nize every year at Davos.***


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LOL***


May 19, 2022, 9:06 AM
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What do you mean by Deep State? Important to define.

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May 18, 2022, 9:49 AM
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I don't believe there is some sort fully formed shadow government pulling the strings, but if Deep State is to mean that America's national security apparatus and all its related appendages are overstepping their duties to manipulate policy, and potentially elections, to reflect their internal agenda, I would say how is this not obvious?

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Yea, but you could say the same about the gun lobby, the


May 18, 2022, 9:58 AM
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cigarette lobby, the pro-choice lobby, the pro-life lobby...

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Vastly different when the private sector does it versus

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May 18, 2022, 10:03 AM
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a virtually unlimited and unaccountable clandestine agency. There is certainly shady, unseen activity when it comes to lobbying, but what is in the sunlight and what is not is infinitely different between private sector lobbyists and national security agencies.

Moreover, there is the very real and very serious unintended consequences of undermining the legitimacy of these agencies when they overstep. They are supposed to be neutral fact-finders, producing reports that are free from political/partisan manipulation in which policy makers can read them and decide, policy-wise, what to do accordingly. If the agencies can't be trusted, then the reports can't be trusted, and so policy makers are going to be either using their own intelligence, or making decision based on how they think they should interpret the analysis. We saw this happen all the time with Trump, and he had very good reason to suspect he was being played by NATSEC.

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They don't get 50% of the budget, or all the 'black ops'

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May 18, 2022, 10:07 AM
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budget we never even hear about. Ask Eisenhower. He tried to warn Kennedy.

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Ed zachary. If Trump russian collusion proved anythign

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May 18, 2022, 10:06 AM
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its that there are a ton of really really bad actors running the FBI and intelligence communities.

And if there was real justice in this country, half of them would be rotting in jail

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you muss be insane!!***


May 18, 2022, 10:06 AM
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let me pose a question for you. What complete loon would

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May 18, 2022, 10:09 AM
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realllllllly believe there is a a deep state. Show yourselves ;)

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Clap,clap,clap... CLAPPER! Lie under oath to Congress re/NSA

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May 18, 2022, 10:10 AM
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Then take a job at CNN.

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spy on President with evidence they new was false and lied

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May 18, 2022, 10:16 AM
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to FISA court to do said spying. Nothing done.

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One of the larger GOP failures not punishing him for that.***

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hey, jimmy.


truth is stranger than fiction

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May 18, 2022, 9:52 AM
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I believe that there is something there, but couldn't even come up with an idea of the scale.

I think creating a global back channel to run the world is a bit extreme.

Also, think that shady backroom dealings are everywhere and that would include govt and the institutions you talk about.

In conclusion, I'd bet the farm that there's some shady business going on. The details could be surprisingly dull or insanely wild movie style.

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There is a guy with dementia supposedly "running the country

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May 18, 2022, 9:53 AM
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What do you think ?

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I'll take that as a yes, and if you really mean that, it


May 18, 2022, 10:00 AM
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wouldn't matter who the president is, right?

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Unless you buck the system ala T-Rump... then your entire

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May 18, 2022, 10:13 AM
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Presidency is an investigation via the media...

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The world is controlled by the wealthy and affluent.

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May 18, 2022, 10:00 AM
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Many of them even know each other, and sometimes coordinate their control and influence. They don't all operate under some overarching Illuminati umbrella with councils and directives. That's silly. Wealthy, powerful people use their wealth and power to steer politicians and policy towards concepts that sustain or increase their own wealth and power. That's about as conspiratorial as it gets.

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That all goes back to Citizens United V. FEC, and the

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May 18, 2022, 10:05 AM
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positive part of what you're saying is that wealthy people don't always have the same objectives and are many times working against each other.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

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It's not Citizens United fault.


May 18, 2022, 10:34 AM
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It's the inability for people to use the brain that God gave them. Corporate speech is just a scapegoat, and CU is a very important safeguard for protecting corporations from government backlash for speech it does not like.

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Re: The world is controlled by the wealthy and affluent.


May 18, 2022, 12:55 PM
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Yup. And people consciously and subconsciously bend their will to those people.

The human will for obedience is strong.

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Re: Write-in poll: Do you believe in the Deep State or a secret

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May 18, 2022, 10:05 AM
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I don’t necessarily believe in anything formal. I do believe in the Uniparty as some say though. People who love the status quo, ride that gravy train, and don’t like any disruptors. That’s actually seen at all levels of government.

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Re: Write-in poll: Do you believe in the Deep State or a secret


May 18, 2022, 10:11 AM
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They basically admit it here.

"That’s why the participants want the secret history of the 2020 election told, even though it sounds like a paranoid fever dream–a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information."

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/


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I believe, as conniving as he was, that Obama put people

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May 18, 2022, 10:18 AM
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In bureaucratic positions who could influence policy after he left office.
Trump was too arrogant to do the same; he just thought sycophants would do it on their own.
I’m sure Obama is in Biden’s ear to do the same.

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When the Attorney General calls "domestic terrorists" people

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May 18, 2022, 10:32 AM
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who show up at a public school board meeting, and who then speak in their allotted time periods against a racist mindset being taught in schools ... and then says nothing about people who show up at Supreme Court justices houses to engage in activity that is by any definition disturbing the peace and is by law illegal as influencing those justices ... and when that attorney general is a name that keeps popping up in one party and was a smidgen from being a Justice himself ... yes we have a deep state.

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I don't follow you. Can you be more specific about the deep


May 18, 2022, 10:49 AM
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state part?

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Can you explain what part you dont understand?***


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None of it or how those things happening have anything to do


May 18, 2022, 11:13 AM
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with a deep state.

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You don't understand none of it? Not being grammar police;


May 18, 2022, 11:23 AM
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Not sure what you dont understand. Well, see below.


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Okay, I have to be away for a while, so here is how my

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May 18, 2022, 11:22 AM
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response addresses the op, even if a clarifying question is not coming quickly to you.

"Non elected govt official: The AG is that.

"Outside the law": When you call someone a domestic terrorist, that person has to have committed an illegal terrorist act. Angry parents at school board meetings are not that. However, people influencing Justices are that, by law. To call an innocent person a terrorist while letting a guilty person go is operating outside the law.

"To further govt policy": Perhaps like many on the left you have forgotten that Lady Justice holds a balance scale while blindfolded. The Dept of Justice sees that the ideals embodied by that symbol guide our justice system. When the AG picks and chooses who he calls guilty and who he calls innocent based on his party's ideology, he is furthering the govt's agenda. He has taken off the blindfold and has his thumb on the scale.

You can define 'deep state' however you want. I was just addressing the terms used by the op, to see who and what might fit. More than one might think, it turns out. And that's before fisa courts and illegal spying on US citizens, etc.


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You made a huge leap from AG labeling people


May 18, 2022, 11:48 AM
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domestic terrorists to being part of a deep state. That kind of came out of left field for me because the AG is here among us not hidden away somewhere/

I did find this. Good read:

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/04/attorney-general-never-called-concerned-parents-domestic-terrorists/


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Don't mind me weighing in here...


May 18, 2022, 12:02 PM
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But I would have a hard time classifying the AG as a part of the deep state. It's not exactly a position that operates in the shadows, and it's one with a high rate of turn-over. At most, eight years, and I can't recall an AG that's served two consecutive terms.

This is not to say the AG can't be horrendously corrupt. Most are. But their corruption is more rank partisanship, than what I would classify to be the agenda and operations of the NATSEC deep state.

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Good comments. To both of you:

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May 18, 2022, 12:40 PM
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In conversations like this, definitions change so one can better defend one's position. The op defined deep state in a way that made any 'yes' answer look stupid, so I used his own definition to expose his disingenuous technique. A very public figure fails that test. So, I am going to stand by my response and not respond to a different definition of deep state, such as shadows and what not.

As to the "fact check", like most biased fact checkers they use what a person clearly said to say he didnt say it. His comments being in a letter he didnt think would become public doesnt make them deniable. And it was wrong to think i didnt already know what he said and to whom. He didnt write any letters referring to those camped out illegally in front of a Justices house as anything other than righteous. Just saying. Yes, he has his thumb on the scale in pursuit of party politics.

So, no leaps here, just reading what is there for all to see. When one will defend one's party or ideology at all costs, incrementally accepting things that just the year before, or from the other party, one would not accept, Truth is dead. And as i said, we havent mentioned fisa courts and illegal spying on US citizens. We may be witnessing the death of Truth.

Edit: To the OP: How does it feel to be gotten by one's own gotcha question? When you have to change definitions as you go and use bad 'fact checks', maybe there is something going on you need to take an honest look at. Maybe Truth doesnt support all of your ideology. Maybe people you want to trust are using you, using your unquestioning loyalty to send us in some bad directions. Maybe they are offering ideologies you like in return for tyranny over everyone.


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Well, you got me I guess. Taking the definition of Deep

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May 18, 2022, 1:45 PM
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State that I used, how would you improve it to not make anyone who answered yes, look stupid?

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I'll just refer to Ike's Farewell Address... but he wouldn't


May 18, 2022, 3:03 PM
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know, being President and the former Supreme Commander of Allied Forces during WWII and all... and then the grassy knoll's Vietnam.

Yea, I know. History is "stupid".

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All I'll say is that you're fun to talk with. You asked a

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May 19, 2022, 12:09 AM
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bit of a gotcha question, and there's nothing wrong with that. So I decided to take the bait and answer in kind. No worries. I'm not a troller and neither are you, so I'll just stop here and say I look forward to your posts, though we tend to defend different views. Same with oh_its_JimmyHEYHEY®

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I'll add that it's disingenuous to compare people who

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May 18, 2022, 2:36 PM
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protest outside Supreme Court Justices' homes and people who threaten school board members with bodily harm.

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That's fair. I was not actually comparing them. I was


May 19, 2022, 12:14 AM
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comparing our AG's different responses to each, the way he compared them.

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By adding 'outside the law' you proposed something few

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May 18, 2022, 10:21 AM
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believe, probably to minimize what most people know is happening.

But as a clarifying question, does lying to the fisa court with false documentation in order to authorize otherwise illegal activity qualify as 'outside the law'?

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Yes. And no.

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May 18, 2022, 10:21 AM
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I believe there is a defacto "deep state". It is not by design, but developed/evolved more out of necessity. It is the bureaucrats who have to actually run the system we've painted ourselves into. That means no matter what, say Trump is your boss, they won't stop illegal immigration because they know we need illegal labor to keep deflation mechanics in play. They also know they can't cut spending, because they're bureaucrats. They also know they can't accomplish a flaming liberal agenda any more than a flaming conservative one. They specialize in perpetuating our system we have created. That's their goal.

Trump loathed them, and rightfully so, from his position. Likewise, had they accomplished everything Trump demanded they do, our economy would have cratered. They know that, and usually the leader (regardless of his politics) knows that as well. It's why Obama never got his minimum wage increase, why Trump never stopped illegal immigration, why GWB never stopped illegal immigration, why no one has done anything but increase our trade deficit, and why no one has ever cut spending.

So yeah we have one, yeah it sucks that we have one, and yes, it would suck more if we didn't have one. When you have a system in place, no matter what you say at speeches, no matter who you put in charge, they will end up entering a system that's evolved over time to a point it can't be changed, without collapse. That is the reason for the deep state.

The US, and the western world really, is more on the same page than we think. Companies as well. So yeah, it's deep in the US government, but it's deep around the world as well. It's essentially an economic system at play, and it works very well, until it doesn't. And the reason it works is because "deep down" everyone is playing the same game. Economic game that is. And the longer the system is perpetuated, the more in sync and powerful the deep state appears, acting often in unison across the US government, and internationally. But there is a very good reason for that. As unworkable as a one-world government seems, and is, there is a VERY workable one-world economy. And the US, the EU, China, and many others are all players in this system, and as diametrically opposed as they may seem politically, economically they're all on the same page, and have the same economic understanding of their respective roles to play. It's why the EU is an economic entity and not a uniform European governing body as much. The EU was Europe's entrance into the game. China entered as well, providing the labor, and cashing in on that as well. It's also why we are more and more being led by dinosaurs, in Congress and the White House. They know the system, Biden perhaps as well as anyone. Obama knew it. Trump knew it, but even he ran into the inevitable problems in trying to counter it. GWB knew it. Reagan and GHWB knew it as did Clinton. It's been around that long.

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Nah...

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May 18, 2022, 10:23 AM
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just think whoever is telling Biden where he is, is anti-American. Not saying they do not like the United States or that they don't sincerely believe what the democrats are doing is going to save the world. I won't go as far to say they are stupid - they are probably well-educated...just sorely wrong. And the nation is paying the price right now.

And I just pop my head in from time to time to see what the excuses are, because I know when a Pub gets in office and things take a turn upward, it will be claimed that it was Biden's policies that is making it happen. It's the joyful, vicious cycle of the P&R board.

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I don't think Biden's policies should take much of the blame


May 18, 2022, 10:47 AM
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for our inflation. Still, if he had his way, the COVID stimulus would have been 3.5 trillion higher which would have led to higher inflation, so he doesn't deserve any praise for sure. Most of our inflation right now is caused by a return to pre-COVID level of demand coupled with the supply side lagging along with too much stimulus cash given to people who didn't need it.


Just like the 2008 crash wasn't Dubya's fault imo.

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absolutely. They have been doing this ever since WWII


May 18, 2022, 10:41 AM
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if not earlier.

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FED Reserve Act of 1913...***

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Spanish American War, War against the South, on and on

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war is the health of the state

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War is the vehicle for imperialistic colonialism...***


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Re: Write-in poll: Do you believe in the Deep State or a secret

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May 18, 2022, 10:47 AM
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So the world is about to hand over control of everyone to the WHO and you are asking if there is a deepstate......... laughable

New World Order
Build Back Better
Council on Foreign Relations
Skull and Bones
Illuminati
Free Masons
Bilderberg mtg

Remember the Biden/Harris slogan - Battle for the Soul of a Nation

World Economic Forum - young leadership graduates:
Tony Blair
Justin Trudeau
EmanuelMacron
Angela Merkel
Gavin Newsom
Huma Abedin
Peter Buttigieg
Nikki Haley
Chelsea Clinton
Bezos
Gates
Zuckerberg
Eric Schmidt
Sanjay Gupta
Leana Wen
Alicia Garza
Murdochs
Soros
Rothschilds

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Thank you for not posting only Jewish people on your list.


May 18, 2022, 10:55 AM
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That's an improvement.

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Re: Thank you for not posting only Jewish people on your list.


May 18, 2022, 11:26 AM
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Just satanists

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Whatever q say.***


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Re: Whatever q say.***


May 18, 2022, 11:34 AM
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do your own research or just parrot the mockingbird MSM

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I've done hundreds of hours of research, thank you.***

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Re: I've done hundreds of hours of research, thank you.***

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May 18, 2022, 12:59 PM
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His act is already wearing thin, isn't it?

There is nothing cute about QAnons. They're a very creepy cult and they're militarized against the rest of us.

The hallmark for being susceptible to this brand of crap is extreme narcissism. There is a reason, say, Ginny Thomas was in a cult in her early years...and then found her way to QAnon. And thought she had the right to waltz right into Donald Trump's office and tell him who he needed to fire.

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Reading sketchy websites is not research.***

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Well, it is. It's just not good research.***


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Re: Write-in poll: Do you believe in the Deep State or a secret

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May 18, 2022, 12:47 PM
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No, I don't believe it, especially if it is supposed to be one group. It would be too big to keep secret.

Not sure what outside the law means, but that's another reason it is not likely to be one group...eventually someone will do something illegal that will show up on a radar screen somewhere.

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YES.***

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I knew that!***

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Now, about 9/11.... ;~)***


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When I was assigned to the NAOC (National Airborne

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May 19, 2022, 4:16 AM
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Operations Center - the doomsday plane) we had these wingnuts that routinely accused us of being part of the "shadow Government". Seriously, these guys would attempt to track our movements based on some of our UHF air to ground commo systems we had on the aircraft. They even used to have a a website where they would attempt to list our whereabouts in real time.

After spending considerable time working with Government agencies (particularly those under DHS) I can state with great confidence that a majority of our Government is run by people too incompetent to execute 99% of these wild Government conspiracies.

So I don't see some "in the shadows" Government but instead a very public out of control, over-bloated, and over-funded Federal Bureaucracy that has essentially assumed the power of legislators through reams of Government rules and regulations. Add to this a bunch of the snooping agencies that have established a track record of breaking privacy laws without serious consequence and it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in the Federal Government.

There's an observation that Congressman James B. Utt made in 1960 that I feel is somewhat prophetic and emblematic of the bloated Federal Bureaucracy we see today:

"We are rapidly coming to a point where a complete change of elected officials, including Congress and the White House, can mean little change in policy. You are governed more and more by people for whom you have never voted, for whom you never will vote, whom you have never seen, and whom you cannot recall by your vote. They are entrenched in the boards, bureaus and commissions, even at the policy level. For example, you may think that the Secretary of Labor sets the policy of his Department, but I know that much of the policy of that Department is set by Civil Service employees who have been with the Department for twenty years, and they have no intention, now or ever, of recommending to the Secretary of Labor any policy which does not fit their personal philosophy of government, and you cannot remove them or replace them by your ballot. That same situation exists in the State Department, and in fact in every bureau, board and commission. This is a form of invisible government and can lead to the most oppressive type of tyranny."

The only part of the quote that I don't totally agree with is that the bureaucratic state isn't some "invisible government" as they have no problem wielding their power in public view.

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