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Write-in poll: Do you believe in the Deep State or a secret
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Oculus Spirit [83125]
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Write-in poll: Do you believe in the Deep State or a secret
May 18, 2022, 9:45 AM
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network of especially nonelected government officials and sometimes private entities (as in the financial services and defense industries) operating outside the law and in unison to influence and enact government policy?
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Write-in Poll II: Who doesnt believe that?***
May 18, 2022, 9:47 AM
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Oculus Spirit [83125]
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Me.***
May 18, 2022, 9:52 AM
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Yall ever heard of the Federal Reserve?***
May 18, 2022, 10:05 AM
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No, what's that?***
May 18, 2022, 10:06 AM
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Primary functioning arm of the World Bank...***
May 18, 2022, 10:21 AM
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Re: Yall ever heard of the Federal Reserve?***
May 18, 2022, 10:17 AM
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The Fed Reserve pretty openly controls monetary policy.
What people really don't know is that they are all lizard people from the center of the Earth.
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...or jet-setters that orgy-nize every year at Davos.***
May 18, 2022, 10:30 AM
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What do you mean by Deep State? Important to define.
May 18, 2022, 9:49 AM
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I don't believe there is some sort fully formed shadow government pulling the strings, but if Deep State is to mean that America's national security apparatus and all its related appendages are overstepping their duties to manipulate policy, and potentially elections, to reflect their internal agenda, I would say how is this not obvious?
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Oculus Spirit [83125]
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Yea, but you could say the same about the gun lobby, the
May 18, 2022, 9:58 AM
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cigarette lobby, the pro-choice lobby, the pro-life lobby...
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Vastly different when the private sector does it versus
May 18, 2022, 10:03 AM
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a virtually unlimited and unaccountable clandestine agency. There is certainly shady, unseen activity when it comes to lobbying, but what is in the sunlight and what is not is infinitely different between private sector lobbyists and national security agencies.
Moreover, there is the very real and very serious unintended consequences of undermining the legitimacy of these agencies when they overstep. They are supposed to be neutral fact-finders, producing reports that are free from political/partisan manipulation in which policy makers can read them and decide, policy-wise, what to do accordingly. If the agencies can't be trusted, then the reports can't be trusted, and so policy makers are going to be either using their own intelligence, or making decision based on how they think they should interpret the analysis. We saw this happen all the time with Trump, and he had very good reason to suspect he was being played by NATSEC.
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Ed zachary. If Trump russian collusion proved anythign
May 18, 2022, 10:06 AM
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its that there are a ton of really really bad actors running the FBI and intelligence communities.
And if there was real justice in this country, half of them would be rotting in jail
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you muss be insane!!***
May 18, 2022, 10:06 AM
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let me pose a question for you. What complete loon would
May 18, 2022, 10:09 AM
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realllllllly believe there is a a deep state. Show yourselves 
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spy on President with evidence they new was false and lied
May 18, 2022, 10:16 AM
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to FISA court to do said spying. Nothing done.
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One of the larger GOP failures not punishing him for that.***
May 18, 2022, 10:20 AM
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truth is stranger than fiction
May 18, 2022, 9:52 AM
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I believe that there is something there, but couldn't even come up with an idea of the scale.
I think creating a global back channel to run the world is a bit extreme.
Also, think that shady backroom dealings are everywhere and that would include govt and the institutions you talk about.
In conclusion, I'd bet the farm that there's some shady business going on. The details could be surprisingly dull or insanely wild movie style.
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There is a guy with dementia supposedly "running the country
May 18, 2022, 9:53 AM
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What do you think ?
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Oculus Spirit [83125]
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I'll take that as a yes, and if you really mean that, it
May 18, 2022, 10:00 AM
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wouldn't matter who the president is, right?
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Unless you buck the system ala T-Rump... then your entire
May 18, 2022, 10:13 AM
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Presidency is an investigation via the media...
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The world is controlled by the wealthy and affluent.
May 18, 2022, 10:00 AM
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Many of them even know each other, and sometimes coordinate their control and influence. They don't all operate under some overarching Illuminati umbrella with councils and directives. That's silly. Wealthy, powerful people use their wealth and power to steer politicians and policy towards concepts that sustain or increase their own wealth and power. That's about as conspiratorial as it gets.
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Oculus Spirit [83125]
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That all goes back to Citizens United V. FEC, and the
May 18, 2022, 10:05 AM
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positive part of what you're saying is that wealthy people don't always have the same objectives and are many times working against each other.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC
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It's not Citizens United fault.
May 18, 2022, 10:34 AM
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It's the inability for people to use the brain that God gave them. Corporate speech is just a scapegoat, and CU is a very important safeguard for protecting corporations from government backlash for speech it does not like.
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Re: The world is controlled by the wealthy and affluent.
May 18, 2022, 12:55 PM
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Yup. And people consciously and subconsciously bend their will to those people.
The human will for obedience is strong.
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Re: Write-in poll: Do you believe in the Deep State or a secret
May 18, 2022, 10:05 AM
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Re: Write-in poll: Do you believe in the Deep State or a secret
May 18, 2022, 10:11 AM
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They basically admit it here.
"That’s why the participants want the secret history of the 2020 election told, even though it sounds like a paranoid fever dream–a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information."
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
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I believe, as conniving as he was, that Obama put people
May 18, 2022, 10:18 AM
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In bureaucratic positions who could influence policy after he left office.
Trump was too arrogant to do the same; he just thought sycophants would do it on their own.
I’m sure Obama is in Biden’s ear to do the same.
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When the Attorney General calls "domestic terrorists" people
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