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You think there will ever be changes to NIL?
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Jan 16, 2023, 2:10 PM
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Right now, it seems to be "anything goes" since it's not an NCAA policy, but a ruling by a judge that said that they were entitled to profit off of their Name-Image-Likeness, and subsequently puts no restrictions or guidelines on it. Now, as we've seen with UF recently, and we all know anyway, a "collective" can basically pay a player to come play at your school. There's no NIL to profit off of, as far as I can tell - just a promise of big bucks.
I've tried to brainstorm, while on long drives by myself for work, and come up with something that would help regulate it better, but if a court says that a kid is "entitled" to profit from their N-I-L, then I don't see how anyone - the NCAA or anyone else - could put any guidelines or restrictions on that.
If there were some reasonable parameters and guidelines in place, I think it would be a good thing. I see no reason why Klubnik, for example, shouldn't be able to profit from jersey sales of his, or autograph sessions, or a commercial. But for these guys to just be getting money for nothing (and chicks for free), it's not a good thing (unless it's a Dire Straits song - then it's pretty dang cool).
Am I missing something?
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Eventually… but you need a governing body with teeth***
Jan 16, 2023, 2:21 PM
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Letterman [283]
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Re: Eventually… but you need a governing body with teeth***
Jan 16, 2023, 7:51 PM
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What is a governing body with teeth going to do?
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I believe so but not sure how it will work out who
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Jan 16, 2023, 2:36 PM
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will govern it since technically the money is not coming from the schools. Just don't think the wild west like it is now is sustainable.
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The 60K new IRS employess
Jan 16, 2023, 7:13 PM
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will be glad to supervise the deals.
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Re: You think there will ever be changes to NIL?
Jan 16, 2023, 2:40 PM
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So, I have said all along, ALL NIL money should be set aside in a personal interest bearing account until graduation. I mean, that's the point of scholarships - to finish an education. To avoid the biggest issue with the old system (kids could not have jobs or earn money outside of free education), you allow a set allowance (same for all players still in school) each month to be drawn from those accounts. The "higher" visibility kids do have an argument that their NIL makes more money for the school. Let them have it, once they finish their commitment to the school.
You also have to divorce the transfer rules (make them sit out a year?) from NIL --- it is essentially acting as free agency in the college market.
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Letterman [283]
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Re: You think there will ever be changes to NIL?
Jan 16, 2023, 7:52 PM
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Can I tell you what to do with your money?
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Re: You think there will ever be changes to NIL?
Jan 16, 2023, 2:41 PM
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Why would any new limitations on NIL *not* get struck down just like before? Unless Congress exempts collegiate sports from various anti-trust and employment laws (which were misapplied since collegiate athletes are not employees), SCOTUS will likely just keep applying the laws as they are written (and continue to misapply them).
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Re: You think there will ever be changes to NIL?
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Jan 16, 2023, 2:51 PM
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You hit the nail on the head. For change to happen, college sports need to be exempt from antitrust laws. That gives the NCAA or colleges the ability to reign in NIL. Until that time, neither will step in front of the train.
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Exactly. The NCAA can't overturn a 9-0 SCOTUS ruling.
Jan 16, 2023, 4:43 PM
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It would be epically stupid of them to try.
Watch for the class action lawsuits for restraint of trade pile up against the new transfer restrictions, soon as well.
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No. Because there are still starving college
Jan 16, 2023, 3:39 PM
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football players out there ... poor things.
(cue the Sarah McLachlan music)
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Re: No. Because there are still starving college
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Jan 16, 2023, 3:41 PM
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Ruining college football for me
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Re: Yes, if pro sports have enforceable rules, caps and
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Jan 16, 2023, 7:31 PM
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Pro sports have a salary cap; colleges don’t pay a salary.
There is no cap on an NFL players ability to earn money off their NIL.
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I have no problem with a player
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Jan 16, 2023, 4:01 PM
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Making money off their NIL. However the biggest problem is that you can transfer now without penalty. Essentially a cfb free agency. Make them sit out a year and I believe it will solve a lot of the problems we are seeing today.
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Re: I have no problem with a player
Jan 16, 2023, 7:32 PM
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The only thing the NCAA can do is make players sit a year after a transfer. The only exclusion is if the head coach is fired or leaves the program.
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Re: You think there will ever be changes to NIL?
Jan 16, 2023, 4:07 PM
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You would think some things would have to change. I do think you may see a salary cap as in the pro sports for parity. There will be a lawsuit at some point of women sports getting the same dollars.
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Re: You think there will ever be changes to NIL?
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Jan 16, 2023, 4:14 PM
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Yes... it will get worse.
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Feels like a class-action suit is right around the corner
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Jan 16, 2023, 4:22 PM
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Some of the dollars being thrown around are bound to not come to fruition. Feels like we’re only a season or two away from a Tom Ronaldi investigative story…
Next on E60, these six players signed NIL contracts for $150K per year, gave their all on the field for University of XYZ, and relieved less than $10K combined over their first season. They entered the transfer portal and after no school offered them a scholarship, they are without their NIL money or a scholarship. Now their families have hired an attorney and they are suing both the collective and the university. Do they have a claim? Next on ESPN, official network of the SEC NIL collective.
Jokes aside, I do think there will be some NIL deals that come up way short on dollars promised, attorneys get (more) involved and the mess we have now becomes more of a mess and congress gets involved, verbiage for these contracts becomes more standardized (uniform) to prevent fraud. I just don’t see it getting better without it getting worse.
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I don't know. But if something isn't done a helluva lot
Jan 16, 2023, 4:39 PM
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of fans are going to say no more eventually.
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Re: You think there will ever be changes to NIL?
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Jan 16, 2023, 4:46 PM
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How many of us worked during the summers to earn money for college? Probably a lot
of us! How many of us would liked to have made a lot more money during our
summers than we actually did earn? Probably all of us. What limited our ability
to earn more? Well, it was our "skill set" which in my case was limited to construction
work as a millwright apprentice, truck driver, brick mason helper, etc. This situation
is called the FREE Market!
Many of us think NIL is going to ruin college sports as we know it. For sure it is
changing college sports. But given that it was approved by a court it is not likely
that anyone will be able to "limit" the FREE MARKET aspect of today's environment.
It is going to be a challenge for colleges to successfully navigate this new
world. But successful outcomes are not guaranteed to go to the highest bidder, just
ask Jimbo.
This brave new world of college sports is going to require even more of coaches and
their staffs to sell a school to the recruit and their parents. Not everyone will
listen to a Dabo and hear his message of the importance of a degree, etc. But that's
life and the new world to which we traditionalist must adjust.
The genie is out of the bottle and no amount of legislation, etc. will be successful in
returning to the "good ole days." We must live with it, just as I wish I would have
gotten paid more during my summer construction jobs for my "name, image, likeness" and
showing up for work every morning at 7am at Yeargin Construction, Daniel Construction,
& Bowaters Paper Mill.
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Re: You think there will ever be changes to NIL?
Jan 16, 2023, 7:25 PM
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Made a whole lot of money as a weigher at a cucumber shed. Back then, it went a long way. Of course, we had classes 5 and 1/2 days a week, no cars for freshmen on campus, and no A/C in the old sections of Johnstone. A 14 ounce can of beer was 35 cents unless one went out to Scotties where it was 30 cents a can. Oh guys, the ratio was 4.9 men to one woman which included the teachers taking night courses at Godfrey that you never saw. Your calculator was a slide rule. All the on-campus Co-eds lived on the East Campus.
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Yes, there will be changes.
Jan 16, 2023, 7:37 PM
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Exactly how, I have no idea. But, the following things will all directly or indirectly impact NIL.
1. Boosters are gonna get tired of paying millions of dollars to 18 year olds with no return on investment.
2. Conference realignment.
3. NCAA will be overhauled or abandoned and replace by something else.
Will there be a salary cap? Will conferences institute rules? Will a commissioner of college football be appointed by the conferences? Will schools just figure out money should be spent on 3rd and 4th year players for retention rather than recruiting and do it voluntarily? Will the NFL change the rules for going to NFL? Will the NFL develop a minor league of some sort?
I have no idea.
The only thing I'm sure of is the colleges won't do the one thing they could do in order to solve (to a great degree) the problem. And that is tie scholarships to graduation. Severely penalize (take away scholarships) for any school that has any player leave without a degree.
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On the legal front, legislatures and courts,
Jan 16, 2023, 8:37 PM
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and in most of our own hearts, these kids are free to earn money on endorsements and NIL deals and activities around that, or work on other outside gigs and get paid in the process a la Rencher and many others, especially with the kind of support element behind all of that we have here.
Where I believe a defendable legal threshold lies is having conferences being allowed to set a maximum, overall, per team, related to total NIL and outside revenues, that would be allowed for that program to compete for its league championship and/or the CFP. If the money is above board it will be taxable, so go ahead and create a reporting system there since they're now having to file taxes and such - part of the education process college offers, plus program eligibility.
This approach does not affect the ability of any single individual player to get whatever amount that NIL will allow. The courts and legislatures have protected that. What it would limit is how much any one program can allow on its roster among all those individuals to remain eligible for that league's postseason fortunes. Just like a roster is maxed at 85 players for all teams, a maximum "pro outside student-athlete revenues" cap could be placed. If a school is near that cap, like the 85 max, it doesn't have room for some looking for more.
The process of setting that maximum would be a great exercise for the NCAA's enforcement department in determining going rates for media exposure and reasonable values associated. Factoring in the weight of each program's individual brand, it's colors, imagery, followers, and longevity to that number should play a significant role in what that looks like.
A player in this circumstance is limited only by programs that are full. If they're all that, some place will have room for them, it just might not be their first choice, and there might not be as much NIL opportunity there due to size, brand, and such.
The cap number would have to be fair and should evolve as needed, but that's where I see a legal remedy if schools wanted to pursue that route.
I'm okay letting it play out some more as it is. We put more of our early resources into the apparatus behind NIL opportunities as kids arrive and stay, and continue on that front. Lots of crazy money has flown about these past few years around CFB and at the end of the day there's only one team left that made any of it worthwhile if that's the objective. Lots of implosions around, and roster management under circumstances like that are going to be a challenge for these long seasons we're getting into.
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