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Re: Guess we didn't recruit him hard enough....
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Jan 26, 2025, 12:16 AM
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What exactly is recruited harder? Show me the money?
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Re: Guess we didn't recruit him hard enough....
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Jan 26, 2025, 9:19 AM
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Like in not enough Zeros in the offer!!!
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Re: Guess we didn't recruit him hard enough....
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Jan 26, 2025, 12:17 AM
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Well Eze and Davidson are RS and True Freshmen.....RB isn't a heavy need til 27 and 28 class
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Re: Guess we didn't recruit him hard enough....
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Jan 26, 2025, 8:24 AM
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Exactly. Loaded at this time.
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Jan 26, 2025, 8:42 AM
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Untill one tears an ACL, or tears a labrum, or decides to transfer. This not a "big need" mentality is why we are in a big need at LB, S, and DE. We may be loaded right now but what happens when we lose 3 or 4 at one shot due to any combination of injury, transfer, leaving early for the NFL, or no more eligibility? Dabo and company will find a back, that I am sure
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Re: Guess we didn't recruit him hard enough....
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Jan 28, 2025, 4:24 PM
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You're not going to keep 4 or 5 studs at RB at the same time in this day an age lol. As long as you have 2, you can afford that. You throw Henderson in there too, we are completely fine at RB for the time being. Eze and Davidson will take the lead
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Re: Guess we didn't recruit him hard enough....
Jan 28, 2025, 6:22 PM
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Call me crazy, but I think Randall will be a big contributor too, especially with his receiving skills.
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Jan 26, 2025, 7:07 AM
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No big deal...Randall will move over to RB..After spring football and fall he could be a stud..
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Do you think this was an oversight by our staff
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Jan 26, 2025, 7:11 AM
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and CJ just wasn’t working hard enough?
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Well done...solid
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Jan 26, 2025, 7:25 AM
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JK imitation! 
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Maybe it's just s recruit talking out his ####?***
Jan 26, 2025, 1:54 PM
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Spiller had a rough go at the start of his recruiting efforts, no denying that.
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Jan 26, 2025, 10:06 AM
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However, he’s made noticeable improvements, and there is no doubt about it.
But this is the reality of hiring inexperienced coaches, they need time to grow into the role.
Still, let’s give credit where it’s due. Of all the “nepo” coaching hires, Spiller played a pivotal role in helping Dabo elevate the program to where it is today, in my opinion.
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The argument that Spiller had a rough start has a flaw.
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Jan 26, 2025, 11:01 AM
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All we can do is look at the facts available, and those facts point to RB not being a need until the last recruiting cycle, where we landed the number 3 and 12 RB prospects in the country. The only evidence that could be construed as RB recruiting struggled prior to this cycle are 1) we offered stud RBs and 2) we didn’t land them. But that doesn’t tell the whole story.
Think of it this way…
You are a planner. Thanks to help from a financial advisor, and making sound decisions, your financial goals are all on track. Part of your plan is your car. Your current car runs well, and is still getting the job done, but in 3 years it will be time to replace it, so you talk with your financial advisor and start saving. Two years in, your current vehicle is still doing the job, and you’ve already saved 67% of what you’ll need to purchase a new one. The plan is on track, but on the way home from work you notice a dealership is holding a drawing for a new car. It’s really nice, and you have a few minutes, so you stop by and enter. If you win, that’s great! It cost you little to nothing and you’ll have a replacement ahead of schedule. You tell your coworker about the drawing the next day, but alas, you don’t win. 12 months later you walk into that same dealership and purchase the new car you’d been planning on for 3 years.
To your coworker, who only knows you have a financial advisor and entered a drawing to win a car, but failed, it appears you needed a car, but didn’t have a sound plan in place. After you purchase the new car a year later, the coworker deduces you and your financial advisor have gained a better understanding of finances in the past year, and you are finally getting that car you really needed last year. The neighbor is using the only pieces of information he has to draw a conclusion, which happens to be incorrect.
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hahahaha....
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Jan 27, 2025, 6:19 PM
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Come on, man, we needed an RB long before last year. Your whole argument is based on that, which is one big flaw.
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Explain your stance.
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Jan 27, 2025, 6:24 PM
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Because by my math we had an excellent starter and backup each year and potential for 2025. Are you talking about the drop off from #2 to #3 on the depth chart?
2021:
Will Shipley (#2 RB)
Phil Mafah (#11RB/#7 RB on3)
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Will Shipley (#2 RB)
Phil Mafah (#11RB/#7 RB on3)
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Will Shipley (#2 RB)
Phil Mafah (#11RB/#7 RB on3)
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Phil Mafah (#11RB/#7 RB on3)
David Eziomume (#36 RB #17 RB on3)
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Gideon Davidson (#3 RB)
Marquise Henderson (#12 RB)
For reference, our National Championship game winning RBs:
Travis Etienne (#16 RB)
Wayne Gallman (#18 RB)
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Re: Explain your stance.
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Jan 28, 2025, 5:51 PM
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2021:
Will Shipley (#2 RB)
Phil Mafah (#11RB/#7 RB on3) - Spiller did not recruit
2022:
Will Shipley (#2 RB)
Phil Mafah (#11RB/#7 RB on3) - Spiller missed all top targets and took fallback Keith Adams Jr.
2023:
Will Shipley (#2 RB)
Phil Mafah (#11RB/#7 RB on3) - Spiller missed all top targets and took fallback Jarvis Green.
Like I said, we needed an RB recruit for 2022 and 2023, but Spiller got a rough start. Because of this, we needed to convert a WR to RB in the playoff out of necessity.
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So your concern is 3rd string RB recruiting for 22-23?
Jan 28, 2025, 10:38 PM
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Regarding the misses, you sound like the neighbor in my analogy, the planner failed because he didn’t win the drawing. And your last statement is false. Because the number 12/7 rated RB in the country and the number 36/17 rated RB in the country were injured, we went with a 3rd stringer. Again, are you saying CJ struggled because of our third string guy(s)? I wish we operated on the same level.
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Like I said, the staff needed an RB both of those years and whiffed.
Jan 29, 2025, 7:18 AM
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But instead of holding the scholarship until the next year, or taking someone from the portal, we needed to depend on a true freshman running back for significant playing time, once he got hurt, we were in an emergency situation, because Keith Adams and Jarvis Green aren't D1 material.
Spiller offered those two because he missed on several top targets - learning on the job.
If that isn't because of recruiting failure, then I don't know what is. I can't recall a single other team in the playoffs who needed to convert a WR to RB for their game (s).
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Thats not how it works
Jan 29, 2025, 8:21 AM
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By that logic, if you do not have the #1, #2, and #3 RB recruits in the class then you had a “recruiting failure”. At no point in the past 4 seasons have we had a 2 deep that wasn’t comprised of top 17 ranked talent. And this season, our number 2 RB wasn’t even ranked in the top 50 in his class and was averaging 6.9 yards per carry before getting hurt. So we had a 3 deep where the top 2 were top 17 recruits, and #3 was averaging 6.9 per carry.
Your whole argument is based on injury and #3 RB production, which is fine, but that’s what it is. I’m not saying CJ is good or bad, but I am saying you are making a lot of assumptions based on very little information.
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You love the injury cop-out...you already beat that horse to death excusing away
Jan 29, 2025, 2:33 PM
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the WR misses
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Clemson may have the best 1 through 5 WR room in the country this year. HIT!***
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Yes, we absolutely hit on our last couple of classes...But Frank Ladson was a
Jan 29, 2025, 3:23 PM
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bust...Ajou was a bust...Dac Collins was a bust...EJ was a bust...Ngata was a toss up, at least he looked productive when healthy...But you buddy likes hiding behind injuries...Like how he uses Haynes injury in the ACCCG as an excuse but can't answer why he didn't get more reps in October and November
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But if any of them get hurt its important we blame
Jan 29, 2025, 7:36 PM
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someone for any inherent drop off in production, especially at the three deep level. That is a clear recruiting failure. But if no one gets hurt, and therefore there is no drop in production, it’s a sign that the position coach has learned on the job and is finally getting recruiting right.
So easy.
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Why didn't we have a viable backup RB in November when it was obvious the
Jan 29, 2025, 11:33 PM
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starter was compromised and no longer effective? Why do you keep hiding behind an injury that occurred in the post season?
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Give Dabo some credit here.
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Jan 28, 2025, 6:15 PM
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He obviously took Brad’s advice about using the transfer portal and NIL to the fullest. I’m sure our football program will be better for it.
Way to go, Dabo!
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Re: Guess we didn't recruit him hard enough....
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I remember that article and thought it was odd at the time. My daughter is a counsellor at a high school in another state who worked with a player who enrolled early at Rutgers. Schiano sent her a nice note and came by to thank her when he visted the school.
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Re: Guess we didn't recruit him hard enough....
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I would have to believe that rb just isn't as big a need, right now, as other positions. We're going to have to spend on a 5* QB next session. Probably another wr, dt &de. We have quality (maybe) at that position. Of course, in this day and age, nothing is a given
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Re: Guess we didn't recruit him hard enough....
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Watched him play and not sure he would have gotten any playing time at Clemson. Maybe he had a bad game when I watched him.
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See ya. Have fun in JERSEY.***
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Re: Guess we didn't recruit him hard enough....
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I find it difficult that he committed to Rutgers when he had all the big boys chasing after him that traditionally produce stud RBs: Bama, uga, fsu. Guess they didn't recruit him hard enough either 🤷
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Re: Guess we didn't recruit him hard enough....
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Even if we do need another RB, plenty of time to pick up a 2026 RB.
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Re: Guess we didn't recruit him hard enough....
Jan 26, 2025, 9:24 AM
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I trust Dabo on this one. There had to be a reason that we don't know about. Enjoy your winter games there son. We wish you the best and try not to slip on the ice while going to class.
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Re: Guess we didn't recruit him hard enough....
Jan 26, 2025, 9:39 AM
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Glad he didn't go to the coots. They should be getting low on money after the coaches salaries and present NIL deals.
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Dude picked Rutgers over Clemson. Guess that Jersey money was good.***
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Re: Guess we didn't recruit him hard enough....
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Send him on. He’ll love that NJ money grab for at least a year if that long!
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Re: Guess we didn't recruit him hard enough....
Jan 26, 2025, 12:41 PM
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Have you ever thought that maybe we didn’t want him? All that glitters is not gold. Maybe the coaches know things we don’t? I trust them on recruits like this. Besides, we are loaded at RB (if they will just play some of them and give them a chance?)
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I'm sorry, but any kid that figures we ought to be kissing his a$$ all the time
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Jan 26, 2025, 12:51 PM
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to get him here is someone I wish well, and move on down the road, old son. Recruit a good enough offensive line, and ANYONE can run behind them.
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Heavier bag was what I got from that quote at the time.
Jan 26, 2025, 2:17 PM
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Would have been shocked if he had somehow committed to us.
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He doesn't want to play at Clemson then.
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Don't care.
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"[Coach Spiller] was teaching me things and stuff like that ...
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Glad this l'il diva chose Rutgers.
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"[Coach Spiller] was teaching me things and stuff like that ...
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but I wanted him to RECRUIT ME HEAVIER."
Glad this li'l diva chose Rutgers.
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Now Dabo is getting beat out by Rutgers for recruits…that never happened in our glory days. Dabo sales pitch isn’t getting it done like it use to. Our current class is ranked in the mid 30s. Just stating facts🤷♂️
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There is literally not one fact in your post. Not one.
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Maybe Rutgers outbid us.
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Jan 28, 2025, 6:11 PM
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They obviously have a lot of big money donors.
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Re: Maybe Rutgers outbid us.
Jan 28, 2025, 6:38 PM
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Another dumb drive by troll post.
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Re: Guess we didn't recruit him hard enough....
Jan 29, 2025, 6:54 PM
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He picked Rutgers. They suck.
$$$$$
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WE DID NOT NEED HIM
Feb 1, 2025, 9:29 AM
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Respectfully,
DABO SWINNEY.
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