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Heisman Winner [119698]
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Trump hush money- do any of you seriously believe
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Mar 31, 2023, 7:15 AM
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The NYC apparatchik would try to JAIL him over THIS charge…..of all the things that liberals think Trump has done?
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Re: Trump hush money- do any of you seriously believe
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Mar 31, 2023, 7:26 AM
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This is clearly a South American style political hit job on a political rival. Even the worst Trump hater truly understands this.
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Do other politicians get indicted and tried under these
Mar 31, 2023, 7:41 AM
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laws? If so, then why wouldn’t Donald Trump be? Is he above the law as a former POTUS?
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You mean under campaign finance law?
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Mar 31, 2023, 7:43 AM
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No. Hillary and Bammy paid fines.
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They paid off hookers with campaign money?
Mar 31, 2023, 9:49 AM
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I haven't heard that before.
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Re: Do other politicians get indicted and tried under these
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Mar 31, 2023, 8:04 AM
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trump and his behavior were new territory for this country, fify
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Re: Do other politicians get indicted and tried under these
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Mar 31, 2023, 8:12 AM
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But you do understand with this DA that this is purely political, right?
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I can't say,
Mar 31, 2023, 6:04 PM
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I do not live inside Garland's head. He certainly would have cause to be bitter, but that is not proof of malfeasance. If you have proof, feel free to share.
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Re: I can't say,
Apr 1, 2023, 8:11 AM
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I think you mean Bragg, but collusion would not surprise me.
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To be fair...
Mar 31, 2023, 10:07 AM
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No former President has been indicted for anything. This is new territory and unfortunately a new era for the country.
President Nixon likely would have been, if not for the pardon by Gerald Ford. If there was a Republican POTUS, Trump might have been pardoned (and, certainly in the aftermath of January 6, there was speculation that he would resign in order to calm the waters, in exchange for a Mike Pence pardon). How naive any of us were to think that Trump would ever be inclined to calm the waters.
In other countries, former heads of state who have broken the law have been charged. Jacques Chirac (France) was later convicted of corruption. Silvio Berlusconi (Italy) was later convicted of fraud. Nicolas Sarkozy (France) was later convicted of bribery. Benjamin Netanyahu was indicted for bribery (and there may be pending fraud and corruption charges). These have all been since 2010. One could say that there has been more of a white-collar-criminal element moving into politics in the western democracies.
So I'd say the better question is why anyone thinks that former Presidents should have immunity from criminal conduct?
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Re: Do other politicians get indicted and tried under these
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Mar 31, 2023, 8:06 AM
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you do not consider laundering campaign finances a serious crime bengaline?
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Re: Do other politicians get indicted and tried under these
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Mar 31, 2023, 8:12 AM
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He pretends to be for "law and order" and "drain the swamp" when it suits him. We can see now that he was full of crap when he said that. The party of "lock her up" and "HUNTER BIIIIIIDEN" is now the party of "politically motivated witch hunt". Their infantile flip-flopping never gets old.
#MUST PROTECT DADDY!!!!!
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You don’t consider these proceeding hypocritical?
Mar 31, 2023, 8:15 AM
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When Obama and Clinton did essentially the same thing?
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Settling a civil lawsuit and using campaign money
Mar 31, 2023, 8:23 AM
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to pay off #### stars are not even close to “essentially “ the same.
If you or I did what he did…we’d be charged.
The almost saddest part about this is that he’s begging for money again. The saddest is idiots will give it to him.
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I think the John Edwards case is a bit more relevant here...
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Mar 31, 2023, 8:50 AM
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It was pretty clear cut that Edwards used campaign funds to hide away his "baby mamma" (Edwards never denied it) but even so was found "not guilty" of illegal use of campaign funds.
For the record - I don't think it has been proven that Trump used campaign money to pay Stormy Daniels. Maybe Bragg has managed to find a paper trail that the Feds couldn't (which I highly doubt) but right now the money that was used to pay Stormy came out of Cohen's own bank account.
All these threads and posts for/against Trump being indicted are a waste of time without knowing what the man is actually being charged with. Everybody is speculating based on news reports which have been wildly inaccurate in the past when it comes to Trump investigations. So until the actual indictment is released most everyone is just farting in the wind with speculation and no facts.
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Re: I think the John Edwards case is a bit more relevant here...
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Mar 31, 2023, 11:46 AM
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Thank you.
We don't even know the charges yet, much less what kind of evidence Bragg might have. What I find interesting is that Bragg already backed off of the tax-fraud stuff regarding very extreme property overvaluations (when Trump wanted a loan) and devaluations (when it came time to pay taxes), much to the very public displeasure of the prosecutor Bragg's predecessor Cyrus Vance Jr. had brought in to investigate and oversee that case. Mark Pomerand was an expert who specializes in complex financial crimes and he was absolutely livid Bragg wouldn't prosecute. According to those close to that, Bragg is a very cautious by-the-book guy and wasn't convinced he had a winning case there.
It seems odd that Bragg would suddenly start gambling and put his name and reputation on the line in a weak and wild-swinging case now. Which makes me think that Bragg feels he's got the goods here. What's interesting to me is that there's rumors Bragg's bringing more than thirty fraud charges...and if that's true this could be about a whole lot more than just Stormy Daniels.
Who knows what Cohen gave Bragg, or what he might have gotten from Allen Weisselberg as part of his plea deal? That last part would particularly concern me if I was Trump.
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Re: I think the John Edwards case is a bit more relevant here...
Mar 31, 2023, 11:55 AM
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Re: I think the John Edwards case is a bit more relevant here...
Mar 31, 2023, 10:22 PM
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Bragg withheld exculpatory evidence from the grand jury. Unethical prosecution. Besides any prosecutor can get an indictment. That’s not difficult. This case will fall flat just like all the others.
What evidence did he withhold?
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Do we know the charges yet?***
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Mar 31, 2023, 8:58 AM
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Since when do we need facts before forming opinions?***
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Mar 31, 2023, 9:45 AM
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supposedly up to 30 counts
Mar 31, 2023, 9:08 AM
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of fraud on the way in this indictment
and multiple other investigations still ongoing
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Weisselberg is the “River card” to borrow a poker analogy.
Mar 31, 2023, 9:43 AM
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Weisselberg (Trump Org CFO) is now in jail and allegedly testified the Grand Jury. He recently changed lawyers.
Cohen was prosecuted and convicted by Trump’s DOJ, then served jail time for similar offenses to Trump's alleged offenses (which are unknown.)
Just a couple of cases close to home, where individuals have been jailed for white collar crimes.
Whatever alleged crimes have to be proven before a jury _so a long way to go before sentencing.
I would still bet the “no” on jail time for these indictments. But there’s a long way to go with a bunch of unknowns.
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Re: Trump hush money- do any of you seriously believe
Mar 31, 2023, 9:52 AM
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The NYC apparatchik would try to JAIL him over THIS charge…..of all the things that liberals think Trump has done?
So I trust that you opposed the impeachment of Bill Clinton over lying over a BJ. How much money was wasted on that?
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Re: Trump hush money- do any of you seriously believe
Mar 31, 2023, 9:52 AM
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I just don't know how a local DA has jurisdiction over breaking a Federal campaign finance law if that's what it is. Seems like that should come under the Federal Elections Commission lawyers.
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Legend [17285]
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Spitballing… taxes? Or State political campaign finance laws?
Mar 31, 2023, 11:27 AM
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A State may have laws for political campaign fraud? If campaign contributions solicited in NY then State laws may apply? I’m not a lawyer and in all likelihood jurisdiction will play out in the courts.
It will all come out when indictments unsealed.
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This is just political persecution and election manipulation.***
Mar 31, 2023, 9:55 AM
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