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Is Valerie Cagle the best athlete to ever play at Clemson
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May 11, 2023, 12:26 PM
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in their respective sport? I don't follow softball much. I know we are really freaking good, and will for sure watch the regionals.
A friend of mine said that she's likely the greatest of all time at Clemson in any sport. Would you say that's accurate?
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Re: Is Valerie Cagle the best athlete to ever play at Clemson
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May 11, 2023, 12:29 PM
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Re: Is Valerie Cagle the best athlete to ever play at Clemson
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May 11, 2023, 12:29 PM
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Absolutely one of the best. There have been a lot of outstanding athletes at Clemson, so it's hard to put a best on any of them. But VC is right there at the top.
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My list would be...
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May 11, 2023, 12:30 PM
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Kahlil Greene and Trevor Lawrence
I can't think of anyone I would put ahead of those 2.
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Re: My list would be...
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May 11, 2023, 12:32 PM
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Michael Dean Perry. Literally unstoppable.
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Re: My list would be...
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May 11, 2023, 12:34 PM
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DW4 > TL16
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Re: My list would be...
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May 11, 2023, 1:05 PM
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And then there is the ultimate multi-sport star: Banks McFadden!!!! Well before my time but surely a tough one to beat!
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Eh. I think Kahlil is probably the greatest of all time
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May 11, 2023, 1:35 PM
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in their respective sport at Clemson.
But, I think TL is barely ahead of DW4 from a total body of work standpoint. DW4 was great in the 4th quarter, but games were often in the 4th quarter due to some bad turnovers. TL just killed everybody.
But I still think Kahlil is probably the answer, although I haven't paid a ton of attention to softball. Sounds like Cagle is up there.
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Re: Eh. I think Kahlil is probably the greatest of all time
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May 11, 2023, 2:44 PM
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2016, we played by far the toughest schedule in the Swinney era. The ACC was extremely weak during Trevor's time here is why we killed everybody.
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Trevor had 15 fewer interceptions. He gets
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May 11, 2023, 8:53 PM
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the slight edge.
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Re: Is Valerie Cagle the best athlete to ever play at Clemson
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May 11, 2023, 12:31 PM
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One of them---no question. But there have been soooo many great ones. The list is long. Hard to pick.
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Re: Is Valerie Cagle the best athlete to ever play at Clemson
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May 11, 2023, 12:38 PM
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Definitely up there. Make the statue.
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Yes
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May 11, 2023, 12:45 PM
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Re: Is Valerie Cagle the best athlete to ever play at Clemson
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May 11, 2023, 12:46 PM
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from a pure athletic standpoint, Murry Jarmin may have been the best athlete to play anything at Clemson.
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Definitely the best female athlete to play for Clemson.***
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May 11, 2023, 12:46 PM
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Rival Killer [3002]
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Barbara Kennedy-Dixon was pretty good too***
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May 11, 2023, 12:48 PM
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Nm
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Let me know when she makes the baseball team, because
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May 11, 2023, 12:59 PM
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that's not happening.
If it's solely contribution to a concerted effort, sheer weight regardless of overall athletic ability, then she probably deserves consideration.
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Frank Gillespie … football, baseball, basketball (track?)
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May 11, 2023, 1:22 PM
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Frank Howard was quoted as saying Frank Gillespie was his choice as the best who had played for him at Clemson in each of those sports.
This was admittedly after the career of Banks McFadden.
https://clemsontigers.com/remembering-frank-gillespie/ Remembering Frank Gillespie By Sam Blackman It was with sadness that we heard that Dr. Frank Gillespie, one of the greatest all-around athletes in Clemson history, died recently. The 1949 Clemson graduate was 94 years old. Gillespie was the model student-athlete during his career at Clemson. He was an excellent student, double majoring in electrical engineering and textile engineering. As if that wasn’t enough, he was a starter on three Tiger teams, football, basketball, and baseball. He was also the student body President. Gillespie entered Clemson in the fall of 1942. But on a visit to Clemson before he enrolled, is what was so interesting. Clemson Head Football Coach Frank Howard remembered the visit very well. Gillespie along with Jack Pollack, was attending the Blue Ridge School for Boys at Hendersonville, NC. Pollack asked Gillespie to go on the trip to Clemson with him. Pollack said he was going to a football tryout at Clemson. Pollack was in the middle of the tryouts when Howard asked Gillespie “aren’t you going to suit up and try out?” Gillespie said no at first. Eventually he put on the football pads and a uniform. “I told Frank, come on over and I’ll give you a tryout, said Howard.” “When I was younger, I’d put on the pads and work out with the players some,” explained Howard. “I remember very well giving Frank Gillespie a tryout, which was legal in those days. I hadn’t heard much about him, he was originally from Beckley, West Virginia. I lined up in front of him and told him to charge into me. Whomp! Bam! I said, “That’s enough, son. “Coach, I thought we were going to work out,” he told me. “We have, welcome to Clemson. I signed Gillespie on the spot.” “He went on to be one of the finest we’ve ever had. He was a great leader and athlete and could do pretty much whatever he wanted,” said Howard. During his freshman year he played football, basketball and baseball. As a freshman he was the starting first baseman and batted .311. Like so many during that era, he left school and served in World War II. Gillespie served in the United States Army during World War II in Patton’s Third Army and won three decorations for bravery during the Battle of the Bulge. Gillespie came back to Clemson for the 1946-47 academic year. In an earlier interview, Gillespie remembers that time at Clemson. “When I came back to Clemson after missing time for the war, I noticed my throwing arm was not as good,” said Gillespie. “But other than that I was still the same in other activities. The professors were willing to help and work with you. I had two good friends I studied with and this helped me a great deal. I didn’t have much time for socializing. “I didn’t notice much difference at Clemson before and after the war. Coach Howard did not change either, he was still the same great coach,” said Gillespie. After the war, he was a starting guard on the Tiger football team for three years, playing both ways on the offensive and defensive lines. He was also a starting guard in basketball for three years, and played three more years of baseball, where he made the All-State team as a senior. He was the captain of the baseball and basketball teams and was a game captain on the football squad. During his Clemson career, many honors came his way. Gillespie won the McKelvin Award as the top all-around athlete in the Southern Conference for the 1947-48 academic year, his junior season. Gillespie, former Tiger pitcher Kris Benson and former Clemson quarterback Deshaun Watson are the only Clemson athletes named a conference athlete of the year in school history. Gillespie was the last Clemson athlete to letter in the three major sports of football, basketball, and baseball. Long-time Greenville News Sports Editor and Columnist, Carter “Scoop” Latimer probably described Gillespie the best in his comments in a column he wrote in 1947. “Frank Gillespie, Clemson guard, is strictly a big league football player. He is as tough as the iron that comes from around his West Virginia, mountain home.” Gillespie double-majored in electrical engineering and textile engineering and served as president of his senior class. An honor student, he was inducted into the Clemson Athletic Hall of Fame in 1977. In 1996, he was named to Clemson’s All-Centennial Team. He was the Senior Council President, named to the Who’s Who Among Students in American University and Colleges. Gillespie was a member of the prestigious Tiger Brotherhood honorary fraternity, Blue Key, and the Block C Club. Gillespie had a lot of fond memories at Clemson and playing on the undefeated 1948 team his senior season was one of them. Gillespie was a guard on the team and teammate Tom Salisbury was a tackle. Both of these players eventually became Baptist Pastors. “Who would have ever thought that there would be two Baptist Pastors playing side by side,” Gillespie once remarked. Gillespie retired from IBM after 33 years service. He also was a pastor and attended seminary and earned degrees at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary and Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. He served as the pastor at First Baptist Church of Iva, S.C. for many years. Later, after returning to IBM, he earned his Doctorate at Luther Rice Seminary. Gillespie lived at Villa Rica, Ga. and passed away on March 8, 2017.
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franc1968's pater familias...
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May 11, 2023, 1:23 PM
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Re: Is Valerie Cagle the best athlete to ever play at Clemson
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May 11, 2023, 1:33 PM
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Yes, I would say that is accurate. We have had some great ones, but I can't think of any that does more for their team than she does. When she hit the 3 run bomb with 2 strikes and 2 outs in the last inning against SC solidified her place at the top imho. Like I said we have had some greats ones, TL, DW, Fuller, JD, Tree and on down the line, but tough to beat her.
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Re: Is Valerie Cagle the best athlete to ever play at Clemson
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May 11, 2023, 1:36 PM
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She really needs a strong post season to round out her legacy if she wants to be called greatest Clemson athlete ever. The fact she is so good pitching and hitting certainly makes her very special. But to my knowledge she hasn't faired so well when we've played elite teams, especially in post season.
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hard to leave off Sam Henson
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May 11, 2023, 2:06 PM
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71-0 as a wrestler and a couple of national titles. Geech72 brought this up in a similar thread in April.
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Re: hard to leave off Sam Henson
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May 11, 2023, 3:39 PM
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The post said each sport and Sam Henson is certainly in the 2 in men's wrestling. What the big guy's name? Noel Laban?
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Re: hard to leave off Sam Henson
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May 11, 2023, 6:51 PM
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Noel Loban . NCAA heavyweight champion!
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STOP IT!!!!!
May 11, 2023, 2:06 PM
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NO!!!!!
Deshaun did it in the big games, what has she done in the big games, she's been rather pedestrian in them is the answer.
Please, please stop, this absolute lunacy!
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Re: STOP IT!!!!!
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May 11, 2023, 2:25 PM
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Hard to keep the ball out of DW's hand when he gets it every play. She gets pitched around a lot in big games. Thats an indication of how dangerous she is at the plate. She also never gets drilled on the mound. She keeps it a 1 or 2 run game if she's in the circle. More than once the opposing team has intentionally walked in a run just to eliminate the chance of a multi RBI hit or grand slam. I can only think of two players I have ever seen get that much respect: VC and Barry Bonds, and one of those isn't on steroids.
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Bro, she’s not even in the top
May 12, 2023, 1:04 AM
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100 in Clemson history, that’s a fact! Banging softball HR’s against winless Citadel must be so awesome, haha!
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Re: Bro, she’s not even in the top
May 12, 2023, 12:44 PM
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Tell me you've never played a sport at the collegiate level without tell me you've never played at the collegiate level. I'd bet a paycheck you couldn't touch a pitch from the Citadel softball team. Haha. VC is easily in the top five greatest. The OP asked for the greatest in their respective sport. Had they had not, then it would be very hard to argue against Banks McFadden or Kyle Parker.
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Re: Is Valerie Cagle the best athlete to ever play at Clemson
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May 11, 2023, 3:37 PM
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Not much history in softball, but right now, yes.
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Re: Is Valerie Cagle the best athlete to ever play at Clemson
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May 11, 2023, 3:58 PM
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You are a very confused person.
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Re: Is Valerie Cagle the best athlete to ever play at Clemson
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May 11, 2023, 4:07 PM
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She’s incredibly good but ETN, CJ Spiller, Christian Wilkins, William Perry, woody dantzler, TERRELL MCINTYRE, Deshaun Watson, Banks McFadden, Trevor Lawrence, Mike Williams, Seth Beer, Big Dex, the Termite, Terry Allen, Nuk Hopkins, Perry Tuttle, Sammy Watkins, Trevor Pryce, Chester McGlockton, Michael Dean Perry & Brian Dawkins are all really incredible in their time too.
Forgot Levon Kirkland too! Charlie Waters too Donnel Woolford & Gaines Adams!
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Probably should put Terry Kinard on that list too. National
May 11, 2023, 9:47 PM
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Defensive Player of the Year.
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Re: Is Valerie Cagle the best athlete to ever play at Clemson
May 11, 2023, 4:39 PM
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We've been blessed with some outstanding athletes over the years, so maybe we should be sure to include VC anytime we're listing all the Clemson greats. There's plenty of room at the Clemson GOAT table. Go Tigers!
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Deshaun Watson is #1 for me…
May 11, 2023, 8:18 PM
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CJ Spiller is #2. Kahlil Greene is probably #3.
I think it’s hard to say “He or She is the greatest of all time” when they are still playing. I think it takes time to look back and have a perspective. So I wouldn’t list her anywhere near the top. Now in five years maybe. I want to see how our softball program does after she’s been away from the program.
I have one knock against Valerie. How good has she been against GREAT competition? Something to think about.
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May 12, 2023, 6:05 AM
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Billy O’Dell
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May 12, 2023, 7:05 AM
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To be determined, but as far as most decorated athletes, two ACC POY, ACC freshman of year and a potential national player of the year. Be hard to find a more decorated Clemson athlete ever so I guess I say yes.
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May 12, 2023, 10:33 AM
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Not even close but she is a GREAT softball player and will set the standard going forward
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Roscoe Crosby - best athlete that wasted it
May 12, 2023, 11:02 AM
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He was great 5* WR, #3 ranked overall nationally. He was also drafted 3rd round by Royals. He played his freshman year and everyone knew he was a star in the making. He quit all sports and moved home after one semester never pursued sports again.
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