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Orange Blooded [4628]
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any of you trmpsters feeling conned yet?
Jul 16, 2018, 4:05 PM
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any of you willing to admit that we elected a shameless con man?
is his act wearing thin on any of you?
watching some of you continue to defend him can be entertaining... in an alternative univers - sci-fi/film noir kind of way
his whole schtick would be funny if it weren't so potentially tragic
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CU Medallion [73570]
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yep
Jul 16, 2018, 4:24 PM
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I hate booming economies lower taxes more businessess coming back more jobs all time low unemployment for all races more money in my pocket.
this sucks!
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110%er [6226]
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Re: yep
Jul 16, 2018, 4:25 PM
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I'm sure you'll also love paying a lot more for just about everything made in China.
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All-In [40657]
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Are you admitting youd rather
Jul 16, 2018, 4:36 PM
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The American economy suffer and play third or fourth fiddle in order for you to save a few bucks at the store?
SO patriotic.
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Oculus Spirit [83238]
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High inflation is the biggest threat to our entire economy.
Jul 17, 2018, 9:01 AM
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Trump’s protectionist tariffs would help some industries at the expense of others.
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CU Medallion [73570]
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havent felt it one bit yet
Jul 16, 2018, 4:47 PM
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i might miss paying $4 for a phone case but all this winning will be worth it.
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Oculus Spirit [81533]
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How did we afford things when hardly anything was
Jul 17, 2018, 9:07 AM
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made in China?
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Rock Defender [54]
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Paying living wages to families. HTH!***
Jul 17, 2018, 9:11 AM
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Oculus Spirit [81533]
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But somehow, we made it***
Jul 17, 2018, 9:40 AM
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Rock Defender [54]
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You’ve got this a bit backwards.***
Jul 17, 2018, 10:02 AM
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Oculus Spirit [81533]
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Rock Defender [54]
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No, as in raising prices without raising wages would have
Jul 17, 2018, 10:28 AM
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a negative impact on the economy. We survived before with better built, more expensive American goods because of higher incomes (factory workers making enough for their wives to stay home with the kids).
It'd be quite tough to reverse course without a redistribution of income.
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Oculus Spirit [81533]
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Rock Defender [54]
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That's the crux of the issue there. "They don't appear
Jul 17, 2018, 10:58 AM
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lower. They may not have grown much but they certainly aren't less"
If wages aren't increasing, they're decreasing. What makes the problem worse is that the majority of the growth skews to the top.
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Oculus Spirit [81533]
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"If wages aren't increasing, they're decreasing"
Jul 17, 2018, 11:09 AM
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I'm not sure what you mean here. At least in the example I provided, it uses 2014 dollars dating back to 1964, so inflation is accounted for. Obviously: hardly anyone was making $19.18/hr as an average hourly wage in 1964.
The question was "have wages decreased over time?" and the answer both in adjusted and non adjusted forms is "no, they haven't".
So relative to inflation wages haven't actually decreased as you stated, how did we do it when hardly anything was made in China?
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Rock Defender [54]
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Relative to cost of living they have. Those gains are not
Jul 17, 2018, 11:11 AM
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being realized by middle and low income earners.
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Oculus Spirit [81533]
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What are you saying then?
Jul 17, 2018, 11:16 AM
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Does the cost of living not include the affects of inflation?
Couldn't the cost of living increases we all see over time simply be called inflation?
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Rock Defender [54]
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A worker who started his career in the 80's will make, on
Jul 17, 2018, 11:23 AM
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average, less than one who started a career in the 60s.
The income gains we've seen, overwhelmingly go to top earners, not the middle class.
Attaching additional tariffs to goods and increasing manufacturing costs would not be good for the middle class.
That's the gist of it. It's not really a fringe position.
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Oculus Spirit [81533]
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That first part is hard to know, isn't it?
Jul 17, 2018, 11:36 AM
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unless you can tell what the future holds. As to "making less", I don't know how you are accounting for inflation, so I can't answer nor derive what you are talking about. ANECDOTALLY, I'd like to think I'll continue to make more money as I age, but it could not happen I guess. I would imagine most people feel that way. As to what the money I earn can buy, again, I don't know what inflation will be. I don't think you do either.
As for tariffs; I'm not sure how the goal posts of this brief conversation got moved to those, but I think the jury is still out on their results. I'm not generally a big believer in their use unless it involves taxing the use of offshore labor, but I think the market will react accordingly.
My point of "how did we make it before everything was made in China" is that there seems to be a big belief that we make less today (you said that) and from what I can tell that's simply not correct, even accounting for inflation. Your statement about the "those gains are not being realized by middle and low income earners" seems subjective to me. How can you quantitatively say that?
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: That first part is hard to know, isn't it?
Jul 17, 2018, 11:41 AM
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Here's a helpful chart
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Oculus Spirit [81533]
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This isn't really helping your argument***
Jul 17, 2018, 1:50 PM
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Legend [16374]
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Unemployment was 4.8% before the election with the
Jul 16, 2018, 5:41 PM
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economy on one of its more historical long-running gain streaks.
Approximately 90% of the corporate tax cuts you 'hate' have gone to dividends and stock buybacks. The anticipation of that result is largely what propelled equity prices and stock growths so strongly in 2017. Values are largely unchanged this year as the market seems to have pre-absorbed that looming payday. Hope you were in early - the 401k definitely looks better today than it did in 2016, and dividends will likely continue alongside, but I'm not sold on the foundation, especially at the cost of this with that long-term tax cut. The conservative in me screams at the irresponsibility of using precious fuel like this - debt - on an already expanding fire that was already leading the first world economies.
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Orange Blooded [4628]
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and you love the kowtow to Putin?
Jul 16, 2018, 6:18 PM
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how can you consider his behavior anything other than disgraceful?
John McCain nailed it:
"Today's press conference in Helsinki was one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory,"
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110%er [5333]
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You're right!!!! Like when he told Putin
Jul 16, 2018, 7:16 PM
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That he would be able to help him out more after he gets elected again...wait..that wasn't trump...who was that?
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Orange Blooded [4628]
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not even close..
Jul 17, 2018, 9:13 AM
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can you imagine the apoplexy on the right if Obama had deferred to Putin like the syphilitic emperor did yesterday?
who is on the 'blame america first tour' now?
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Oculus Spirit [81533]
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point for using "syphilitic emperor" twice in one day***
Jul 17, 2018, 9:30 AM
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CU Medallion [55976]
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And peace. Don't forget hating peace.
Jul 16, 2018, 8:06 PM
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It's so much worse than war and terrorism.
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110%er [5522]
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Re: yep
Jul 16, 2018, 11:52 PM
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#### the tarheels
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Oculus Spirit [81533]
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Well..sure. I mean the guys a Russian agent.
Jul 16, 2018, 4:36 PM
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What took so long?
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CU Guru [1405]
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Re: any of you trmpsters feeling conned yet?
Jul 16, 2018, 8:09 PM
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They're not smart enough to know they're being conned.
They support a President who profoundly hates the United States just because they have the false idea that they might get richer off of it.
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Oculus Spirit [83238]
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How can you be taken seriously when you spout BS
Jul 17, 2018, 9:08 AM
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like this?
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CU Guru [1405]
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Re: How can you be taken seriously when you spout BS
Jul 17, 2018, 9:14 AM
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I don't expect to by righties. They never take facts seriously.
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Oculus Spirit [81533]
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Just wondering...how old are you?***
Jul 17, 2018, 10:10 AM
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CU Guru [1405]
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Re: Just wondering...how old are you?***
Jul 17, 2018, 10:18 AM
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36.
How old are you? You seem to have the logic skills of a small child.
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Oculus Spirit [81533]
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lol..you seem mad.
Jul 17, 2018, 10:24 AM
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Are you mad?
And somehow I've made it 49 years thinking almost exactly opposite of you.
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Re: lol..you seem mad.
Jul 17, 2018, 10:30 AM
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You know a right winger is defeated when they whip out the old "are you mad?" I love it.
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Oculus Spirit [81533]
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Defeated?
Jul 17, 2018, 10:37 AM
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I'm not fighting anyone.
I just find the logic of thinking you are smarter than everyone else:
"They're not smart enough to know they're being conned."
and the sweeping generalizations:
"I don't expect to [be taken seriously] by righties. They never take facts seriously."
immature and naive. Those are the "logic skills of a small child.", and why I asked your age. Seems like something a teenager would say.
@josephg® is no conservative, and he initially called you on it, not me.
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Orange Blooded [4978]
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Re: any of you trmpsters feeling conned yet?
Jul 16, 2018, 11:24 PM
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The whole frickin' cold war was a con. You want to continue to live in that schitt? Wake up!
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All-In [46134]
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Those were two seasoned liars on the world stage.....
Jul 16, 2018, 11:33 PM
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I don't for one minute believe the BS being spouted. Neither side trusts the other despite the words. Show me the actions.
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All-In [46134]
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You people wouldn't recognize a play it it hit you in the
Jul 17, 2018, 6:25 AM
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Face. Like a wettitty.
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Oculus Spirit [83238]
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Voted for Hillary, but enjoying the laughs,
Jul 17, 2018, 8:58 AM
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and the moronic tweets are “...gold, Jerry”. Plus the market is up.
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