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Campus Update: Clemson University to go tobacco-free
Sep 23, 2015, 11:01 AM
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Legend [16629]
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Clearly yet another reason
Sep 23, 2015, 11:02 AM
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to hate Notre Dame.
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Re: Campus Update: Clemson University to go tobacco-free
Sep 23, 2015, 11:04 AM
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They'd never get away with that if Danny were still the coach.
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Oculus Spirit [41902]
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What about marijuana?***
Sep 23, 2015, 11:04 AM
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Re: What about marijuana?***
Sep 23, 2015, 2:16 PM
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as long as you are cool with your RA, it is never a problem.
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Orange Elite [5497]
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Does that mean no more girls from Jersey will enroll?***
Sep 23, 2015, 11:05 AM
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I guess this effectively ends my Clemson Spit Cup product line.***
Sep 23, 2015, 11:05 AM
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Solid Orange [1340]
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Re: Campus Update: Clemson University to go tobacco-free
Sep 23, 2015, 11:07 AM
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Riiiiight. Go in McAdams or Newman and tell me this will work. What the heck ever happened to personal choice in this country?
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Orange Elite [5497]
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You still have the choice to smoke just not on campus.***
Sep 23, 2015, 11:09 AM
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Solid Orange [1340]
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Re: You still have the choice to smoke just not on campus.***
Sep 23, 2015, 11:14 AM
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I'm not a smoker nor am I a lawyer, but seems like you'd have a liability issue with kids going off campus to use tobacco if one gets hit by a car or something. I can understand designating smoking areas on campus, but banning all tobacco to me is just another attempt to limit individuals' personal choice. How will this be enforced, especially on game days?
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Playmaker [388]
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Re: You still have the choice to smoke just not on campus.***
Sep 23, 2015, 11:27 AM
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"seems like you'd have a liability issue with kids going off campus to use tobacco if one gets hit by a car or something" WHAT?
Why would the "kids" get hit by a car? Is it required that they stand in the road when they smoke? Do these "kids" have some mental disability to know not to stand in the road or at least move when a car is coming? Can these "kids" at least stand in the median and not in the traffic lanes while they smoke?
Depending on the answers to these questions, I would agree that Clemson University definitely will have a liability issue requiring kids to stand in the road while smoking.
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Solid Orange [1340]
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Re: You still have the choice to smoke just not on campus.***
Sep 23, 2015, 12:04 PM
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I agree that it sounds pretty stupid, but legalese is a funny thing these days.
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110%er [3966]
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Not really, you're reaching.***
Sep 23, 2015, 12:22 PM
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One day in charge
Sep 23, 2015, 11:10 AM
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and the Domers already making sweeping changes.
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All-In [29076]
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Everyone knows Catholics hate Tobacco
Sep 23, 2015, 11:13 AM
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and freedom. Might as well be commies.
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Orange Immortal [65491]
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Pathetic. The gang of panty-waisted, politically correct
Sep 23, 2015, 11:30 AM
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control freaks wins. Freedom, your time has come and gone.
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1st Rounder [645]
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Re: Pathetic. The gang of panty-waisted, politically correct
Sep 23, 2015, 11:49 AM
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You are correct.......as I have aged, learning how to goose step is getting harder.
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Orange Beast [6189]
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Re: Yeah, it takes a tough, hard nosed conservative to stare ...
Sep 23, 2015, 11:52 AM
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The choice, not the activity is the point....lets stay focused.
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Orange Beast [6189]
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Tobacco smoke effects others, they have no choice.
Sep 23, 2015, 11:58 AM
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1st Rounder [645]
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Re: Tobacco smoke effects others, they have no choice.
Sep 23, 2015, 12:03 PM
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Smokeless doesnt
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Orange Beast [6189]
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Just curious, your "choice, not the activity" argument?
Sep 23, 2015, 12:28 PM
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Some pretty hot topics in US politics to apply that to.
Would you apply that across the board?
Lot of religious folks in the South would probably not be in agreement with you on one topic I can think of.
So, can we only apply that argument to smoking or to other activities?
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1st Rounder [645]
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Re: Just curious, your "choice, not the activity" argument?
Sep 23, 2015, 1:13 PM
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The comparison is understandable....when the selling of parts becomes for profit the scope changes, don't you think?
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Orange Beast [6189]
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Pretty certain Phillip-Morris is making a profit.
Sep 23, 2015, 7:36 PM
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Trainer [42]
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Re: Just curious, your "choice, not the activity" argument?
Sep 23, 2015, 1:25 PM
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So, I'd agree that wanting government the government to regulate those with whom you disagree but not regulate you is hypocritical. And you're right that saying "protect my right to dip in public because it's not hurting anybody, but ban [INSERT SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE CAUSE HERE] because i think it's bad!" is a good example of this.
But how is your side of that, presumably banning dipping while supporting whatever hypothetical cause we may be talking about, any different? Perhaps we could just all agree to let other people do what they want?
I'm not gonna stop dipping at football tailgates because of this, but I can't imagine that's their goal. The real effect of this will be cutting down on the number of students smoking outside the library and Johnstone. With a commensurate rise in students dipping inside the library and johnstone ... oh and a new and thriving black market in cigarettes on campus. When the Cigarette Wars of 2017 start and the body count rises into the thousands, don't say I didn't warn you.
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Re: Tobacco smoke doesn't effect anyone outdoors any
Sep 23, 2015, 2:17 PM
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You really don't know what your talking about.
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Orange Immortal [65491]
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If you're outdoors and somebody continuously blows smoke
Sep 23, 2015, 2:32 PM
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in your face, it's certainly rude and potentially unhealthy, but if you are outdoors and get an occasional whiff of a cigarette or cigar, that could not possibly be a health hazard. If it bothers you that much, just move.
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CU Medallion [18177]
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Hall of Famer [8712]
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Re: Tobacco smoke doesn't effect anyone outdoors any
Sep 23, 2015, 10:18 PM
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Just throwing this in the mix. 3rd hand smoke is potentially more dangerous to kids than 2nd hand smoke. It's what sticks to your clothes and hair when you walk by a group of smokers on the sidewalk outside of a restaurant. Then you go home and hug your babies and they breathe in all of those toxins.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-is-third-hand-smoke/
Not taking a side in this argument. I prefer a smoke-free environment but I'm not in charge of the air. And as far as those sissified vapor sticks ... in my opinion, it sends a powerful message to kids that smoking is cool ... again. It's not.
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Oculus Spirit [43141]
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There can not be a human stupid enough to believe that
Sep 24, 2015, 1:24 AM
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third hand smoke is dangerous.
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Hall of Famer [8712]
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Re: There can not be a human stupid enough to believe that
Sep 24, 2015, 7:17 AM
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Can you provide a reference please? Just so I can have evidence, besides your word, that I'm stupid.
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Paw Master [16994]
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Orange Immortal [65491]
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That's a sad, sorry, weak minded excuse for banning people
Sep 23, 2015, 2:10 PM
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from chewing, dipping, using e-cigarettes, and smoking in designated areas, all of which have zero effect on anybody else. Pack of fools. Aside from an occasional cigar, I don't smoke or use tobacco either, but that's by choice.
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Re: Freedom has been gone. But I'd argue...
Sep 23, 2015, 9:32 PM
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I'd argue the same. Like the Billionaires and large corporations that buy politicians like I buy M&M's.
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Orange Immortal [65491]
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Agreed. One day people are gonna wake up and realize
Sep 24, 2015, 10:12 AM
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that the selfish, closed-minded, short-sighted attempt to use government to force their agenda and their beliefs on others has backfired and only given government more power and ultimately destroyed their own freedom.
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Freshman [9]
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Including hookahs?
Sep 23, 2015, 11:48 AM
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Seems ridiculous to completely ban legal activity on a public campus. What happened to freedom of choice?
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1st Rounder [645]
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Re: Including hookahs?
Sep 23, 2015, 11:50 AM
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It doesnt exist anymore......
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Freshman [9]
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Re: Including hookahs?
Sep 23, 2015, 11:55 AM
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What doesn't exist anymore? Hookahs existed long before the U.S.A. was established.
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Freshman [9]
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Re: Including hookahs?
Sep 23, 2015, 11:57 AM
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Oh, I see you were replying to my question regarding freedom of choice.
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All-Conference [424]
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Nope
Sep 24, 2015, 8:23 AM
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Craig James already killed them all
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Outstanding news!
Sep 23, 2015, 12:01 PM
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Glad to hear it ...
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Letterman [283]
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Re: Outstanding news!
Sep 23, 2015, 12:11 PM
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Got that right. Its about time.
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Game Changer [1709]
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Good luck keeping me from packing a lip in the library***
Sep 23, 2015, 12:45 PM
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Re: Good luck keeping me from packing a lip in the library***
Sep 24, 2015, 9:02 PM
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Good luck on your lower lip not falling off your face one day DA!
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Re: Campus Update: Clemson University to go tobacco-free
Sep 23, 2015, 12:50 PM
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If it's was not for tobacco Clemson nor the State of SC exists
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Orange Elite [5304]
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Re: Campus Update: Clemson University to go tobacco-free
Sep 23, 2015, 12:51 PM
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Good luck stopping people from "ghost vaping"...not really hard to hold it in still the cloud dissipates. Very likely unless you see a cloud it'll be even noticed....or smelled (like a constant smoking tobacco cigarette). Interesting tobacco free now includes non-tobacco products.
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1st Rounder [645]
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Re: Campus Update: Clemson University to go tobacco-free
Sep 23, 2015, 1:15 PM
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The grills, car exhaust, etc are on the list...guaranteed...matter of time
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Legend [6694]
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How can you ban smokeless tobacco? It's not against the law
Sep 23, 2015, 1:42 PM
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Or health codes. I'm all for making clemson better, but someone explains how somebody dipping affects me? I don't personally use any tobacco, but this kind of crap is how you end up with your rights slowly being taken away. Sure, it's easy to say its bad for you, but what happens when they want to ban skydiving, then when car technology permits driver free operation, they ban driving, what about banning food that causes heart disease? Bye bye smokin pig. What about when they ban alcohol at tailgates? That's more dangerous than someone dipping near me. How about just banning football, Mike Williams broke his neck. Dipping never broke anyone's neck.
This is an inappropriate step for the university and goes against literally the very reason for founding this country. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
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Rival Killer [2768]
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Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of a Quality Long Cut***
Sep 23, 2015, 2:23 PM
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Legend [6694]
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Re: Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. .. unless
Sep 23, 2015, 3:23 PM
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There is risk. If there's risk, you can do it.
This country as it is today, wouldn't have the balls to secede from England.
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Legend [6694]
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Can't *** do it.***
Sep 23, 2015, 3:25 PM
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Re: Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. .. unless
Sep 24, 2015, 12:51 AM
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We had England's balls for a couple hundred years too, until Obama split them up and gave one to Russia and the other to Iran. He has been slowly but surely selling The USofA's balls off piecemeal to the lowest bidder as a precursor to his cap and trade program, in an effort to demonstrate its effectiveness...
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Re: Campus Update: Clemson University to go tobacco-free
Sep 23, 2015, 2:15 PM
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What about the 80,000+ who show up for football? Just how will that be enforced?
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Probably the same way they enforce it in the stadium now
Sep 23, 2015, 2:18 PM
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go ahead and count how many dip cups you see in your section next game.
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Mascot [15]
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Re: Probably the same way they enforce it in the stadium now
Sep 23, 2015, 2:23 PM
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How about all the people smoking while tailgating ALL OVER CAMPUS ???
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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That's my point
Sep 23, 2015, 2:28 PM
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it's unenforceable.
Unless of course they want to commit police resources to stopping smoking instead of directing traffic and trying to stop underage drinking.
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Clemson Sports Icon [52489]
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Re: Campus Update: Clemson University to go tobacco-free
Sep 23, 2015, 2:59 PM
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I understand banning smoking indoors (even smokeless because of all of the cups and such left around). I understand banning all tobacco in high schools and especially middle schools due to the precedence it sets for younger generations. But why at a school where there most of the student body is legal age to use tobacco. Are they also going to ban all alcoholic beverages since that is also a negative to our health?
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Oculus Spirit [43141]
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and bad food as determined by those in charge
Sep 24, 2015, 3:05 AM
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and lungs that produce evil carbon dioxide and cow farts
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TigerNet Champion [112388]
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My work place is tobacco free................
Sep 23, 2015, 5:37 PM
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Has it stopped me from dipping? The answer is no and this won't either.
Heck you just don't go spitting everywhere. The vast majority of the people don't even know I dip. It's called decorum.
Yes I know it's a bad habit.
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Isn't everybody's....
Sep 23, 2015, 5:44 PM
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unless you work somewhere like Philip Morris or RJ Reynolds?
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Coach Howard must be turning over in his grave***
Sep 23, 2015, 6:08 PM
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MVP [524]
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If Danny Ford visits campus can he still chew tobacco?***
Sep 23, 2015, 6:11 PM
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Commissioner [1273]
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Re: Campus Update: Clemson University to go tobacco-free
Sep 23, 2015, 6:16 PM
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Will this apply to GameDay as well?
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CU Guru [1606]
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Re: Campus Update: Clemson University to go tobacco-free
Sep 23, 2015, 7:42 PM
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Goose steppers. You can't let me drink to excess at my tailgate and not let me have a stoggie or two. No one owns the air. We have to share it.
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Paw Master [17191]
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Re: Campus Update: Clemson University to go tobacco-free
Sep 23, 2015, 8:25 PM
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Great!!!
All educated people should be happy with this. We all know tobacco kills. I've had friends who died because they smoked early in life. This will save lives .
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Wow, I guess heroin is next....***
Sep 23, 2015, 8:37 PM
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Ring of Honor [23729]
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under-rated post.***
Sep 23, 2015, 8:43 PM
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Standout [308]
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No vaping?
Sep 23, 2015, 11:13 PM
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I don't understand why chewing tobacco or vaping is banned but I 100% get it for smoking.
If you aren't a smoker, you shouldn't have to smell or breathe in anyone else's cigarette smoke but no vaping or dipping? Come on now. I'm against smoking more so than most people but that's a bit extreme.
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Gridiron Giant [15552]
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I don't understand the vaping thing. How does anyone
Sep 23, 2015, 11:29 PM
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know for sure what chemicals are in it. Its not regulated and people trust some corporation that makes the liquid to tell them what's in it. I wouldn't. If I did vape I certainly wouldn't be one of those people that do it in stores etc around people that don't want to be around it.
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Starter [351]
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Good News! They are Not Nicknamed Coffin Nails for nuttin
Sep 24, 2015, 5:48 AM
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Folks
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Re: Campus Update: Clemson University to go tobacco-free
Sep 24, 2015, 6:58 AM
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I feel for those people who are so addicted to tobacco that they cannot refrain from using for a few hours 6 or 7 times a year at football games while on campus. But it is private property and property owners have rights also, hopefully users will think of it as a few hours that could help them kick a habit that is offense to most people and damaging to their health.
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Boooooooooooo!!!
Sep 24, 2015, 7:13 AM
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I don't smoke or dip or anything, but this is a BS move. No reason someone shouldn't be able to smoke at a tailgate outside the stadium. Or in designated smoking areas on campus if you're a student or faculty.
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Can we ban fat people from DV too?
Sep 24, 2015, 8:40 AM
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I'm tired of fat people spilling into my seat or trying to get past them in the aisles. If we can't ban them, can the University at least make them buy two tickets to accommodate extra-wide loads?
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Welp
Sep 24, 2015, 10:27 AM
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that would solve the problem yall have been talking about with cheerleaders.
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GONNA MOVE OLE FRANK?
Sep 24, 2015, 1:34 PM
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"When I die I want to be buried up there on that (Cemetary) hill near the stadium. I want to be there so I can hear all them people cheering my Tigers on Saturday and where I can smell that chewing tobacco in every corner of the stadium. Then I won't have to go to heaven, I'll already be there."
Frank "I only coached there 39 years" Howard
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