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Game Changer [1811]
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When will we get our first heisman?
Dec 9, 2022, 7:15 PM
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I know it doesn’t mean much anymore but anyone think Cade could be it?
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Ring of Honor [22198]
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Re: When will we get our first heisman?
Dec 9, 2022, 7:33 PM
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Cade or Ship next season bookmark it, could even see Antonio Williams grabbing it
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Paw Master [17831]
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Re: When will we get our first heisman?
Dec 9, 2022, 9:10 PM
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It would really be great for Cade or Shipley to Win the Heisman and for Clemson to win a couple NC’s in the next 5 years.
Gooooo Tigers…….!
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Tiger Spirit [9937]
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Agree it doesn’t mean much. Watson should have
Dec 10, 2022, 6:43 AM
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won it over Jackson, but of course Jackson was crowned after 3-4 games of that season.
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110%er [4063]
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Interesting citing Antonio…that would be HARD to do…
Dec 10, 2022, 2:04 PM
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Desmond Howard is the highest profile WR who won the Heisman.
Howard was a 980 yard receiver during the season he won the Heisman and rushed for 200 more yards.
He made 62 receptions over 11 games or almost 6 receptions per game about almost ~90 yds/game.
Desmond was essentially the only go-to receiver on the team.
Those are crazy stats, and if Cade were to deliver those stats to Antonio Williams without spreading the ball around, the whole offense will be 1-dimensional. Although, Josh Downs was pretty 1-dimensional for the Heels.
If Williams got these similar stats and was spreading the ball around, Cade would have probably have to pass for 5,000 yards for the season, and HE would win the Heisman Trophy.
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Oculus Spirit [44547]
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Re: Interesting citing Antonio…that would be HARD to do…
Dec 10, 2022, 2:10 PM
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Howard was a big part of the kicking game if I remember correctly.
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Dynasty Maker [3522]
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Re: When will we get our first heisman?
Dec 9, 2022, 7:39 PM
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If Trevor or Deshaun couldn’t win I doubt anyone can. Our coaches and staff do not pad the stats to help offensive players win the heisman. Clemson is about team and family and is not about I.
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Re: When will we get our first heisman?
Dec 9, 2022, 7:59 PM
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True, but both DW and TL threw too many picks in the season where the spotlight was on them. I personally think DW was the best player that year, and he proved it in the playoffs, but it was too late.
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Trainer [36]
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Right. If there’s one thing Dabo doesn’t want
Dec 9, 2022, 9:23 PM
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it’s players getting individual awards.
After Deshaun didn’t win the Heisman, Dabo said “He's the best player in the country, and if anybody doubts that, it's ridiculous” just to throw everyone off so they could focus on being family.
After Trevor didn’t win the Heisman, Dabo said “The best player in the country is Trevor Lawrence” just to throw everyone off so they could focus on being family.
This is why Dabo never acknowledges any players who are nominated for and/or receive individual awards. This is also why he turns down the Bear Bryant and Bobby Dodd coaching awards.
F A M I L Y!!!!!!!!!
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Tiger Titan [50729]
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That’s a lovely rationalization.
Dec 9, 2022, 11:35 PM
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“We are about team and family!”
In other words, teams that have Heisman winners are selfish and have a bad team culture.
You can’t make this stuff up, folks.
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Freshman [-74]
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Shut up, troll.
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Dec 10, 2022, 4:42 PM
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Football rules. Deal with it.
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110%er [3625]
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Game Day Hero [4524]
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Re: When will we get our first heisman?
Dec 9, 2022, 7:41 PM
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I hate to say this, but it's unlikely for many reasons. First because of Dabo. if we didn't win it with a genetically superior guy like Trevor, or a STUD baller like DW4 its hard to imagine. We play backups from 2nd series 2nd half, so don't have those Lamar 7 TD against Charlotte games. We ALSO don't have all the major sports writers like they do in the Midwest, hyping up Ohio St and Michigan dudes, or THE SEC SEC hype machine writers in Atlanta, Florida and Birmingham. Until a CU guy goes out and had a Roman Triumph (unlikely), It ain't happening.
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Re: When will we get our first heisman?
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Dec 9, 2022, 7:42 PM
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The Heisman is the most important award in amateur sports so of course it means something.
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Clemson Conqueror [11138]
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We like winning trophies in January.
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Dec 9, 2022, 7:45 PM
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And got 2 in the last 7 years.
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Orange Elite [5490]
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Re: When will we get our first heisman?
Dec 9, 2022, 7:46 PM
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When in the offense is focused primarily on one guy, which probably won't ever happen.
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110%er [4046]
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We're at that point
Dec 9, 2022, 7:58 PM
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I know most are going to point to DW4 or TL16 as the reason no...however:
1. If Trevor doesn't go down with COVID, I think he would've won in 2020.
2. DW4 ran into some stiff competition. Any other years he wins. Unfortunately, he ran in Lamar that put up stupid numbers (despite fading away in November) and Derrick Henry was the SEC Phenom with SEC backing.
We're getting to that point where if the conference can give us a game or two at the end of the year (besides the CC game) and we're undefeated, we can have a player have a shot at winning the Heisman.
Cade definitely has a good shot at winning it IMO. I could see him doing enough to stay in the conversation. He's already made some highlight plays this year and I don't think they are gonna be hard to come by for the next 2 years.
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Clemson Conqueror [11399]
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The year Henry won it, DeShaun and McCaffery should have
Dec 9, 2022, 11:18 PM
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finished ahead of him!
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110%er [9905]
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Re: The year Henry won it, DeShaun and McCaffery should have
Dec 10, 2022, 12:28 AM
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This! ^^^ I would have gone McCaffery in 15. When you break Barry Sanders single season all purpose yards record, that’s saying something. Think he only finished 100 yds or so behind Henry in rushing too. 2016, DW4 hands down. Not even close. Heisman voting should start after the season, though that doesn’t mean it should go to a player on the winning team.
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Re: When will we get our first heisman?
Dec 9, 2022, 7:59 PM
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Who cares?
Go Tigers!!!
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Orange Immortal [65607]
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We already had one ...
Dec 9, 2022, 8:01 PM
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A looooong time ago.
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110%er [3805]
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Re: When will we get our first heisman?
Dec 9, 2022, 8:24 PM
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From top of The Hill, drive north on Williamson Rd, pass Fike Recreation Center and take next right. See attached map. You can't miss it.
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Paw Warrior [4804]
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Re: When will we get our first heisman?
Dec 9, 2022, 8:36 PM
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Cade can win one as long as he turns out to be the guy many believe him to be(myself included). I say that bc next year I forsee alot of shootouts. Goodwin struggled to get the defense to generate pressure with these DL who the year before looked like a pack of starved lions that happened upon a juvenile zebra separate from the pack. This past year the DL was neutralized and Goodwin seemed scared to blitz at times to help.
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Paw Master [17831]
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Re: When will we get our first heisman?
Dec 9, 2022, 9:04 PM
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I will take the NC trophy over the Heisman. IMO the Heisman Trophy no longer is given to the best college player. It’s going to go to who ever ESPN , CBS, and other college announcers want. They pick out 2 to 4 guys and push them all season. Look at the success HT winners have had in the NFL. They don’t look at players like TL who was a leader on and off the field, lead their team like Clemson to a NC and great wins over our opponents.
I think to win the Heisman you have to play for teams like Bama, OSU, Michigan, ND, or oacassionally some player from a school not in the ESPN click will win. But it’s going to be very difficult for a Clemson player to win because we are not in the ESPN click. We almost made it in but Herbie fell back under that BS OSU is an awesome team and they play a difficult schedule spell.
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Re: When will we get our first heisman?
Dec 9, 2022, 9:05 PM
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Team Captain [465]
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Re: When will we get our first heisman?
Dec 9, 2022, 9:09 PM
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Excellent reminder.
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Next year. The kid has got it***
Dec 9, 2022, 9:21 PM
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Game Changer [1631]
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When we move over to the SEC per
Dec 9, 2022, 9:26 PM
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Paul Finebaum
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Top TigerNet [30613]
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6317 A.D.***
Dec 9, 2022, 11:12 PM
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Re: When will we get our first heisman?
Dec 10, 2022, 12:19 AM
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With what it’s become, I could honestly care less. Great if it does, oh well if it doesn’t. Rather every Clemson player graduate with at least one Championship ring during their 3-4 year stint.
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Oculus Spirit [40330]
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When ESPN Says So :)***
Dec 10, 2022, 9:58 AM
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National Champion [7628]
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Re: When will we get our first heisman?
Dec 10, 2022, 10:02 AM
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Dabo does not allow players to amass the big statistical numbers required to catch Heisman voter attention across the country. When other teams are running up the score and posting the prolific numbers, our guys are on the sideline cheering on the 3rd teamers who are getting a chance to play. Clemson might never have a Heisman winner but we will have some great football teams because of this culture Dabo has built.
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Oculus Spirit [44547]
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Re: When will we get our first heisman?
Dec 10, 2022, 12:21 PM
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Not sure we ever will. Would complete the program as a whole as holding all the biggest prizes in the sport. After TL and Watson missed out did not figure we would ever win one.
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CK will have the best shot ...
Dec 10, 2022, 1:41 PM
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Most years RB's do not get too many votes.
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Paw Warrior [4605]
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Re: When will we get our first heisman?
Dec 10, 2022, 2:01 PM
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Its a curse. I am fine with nattys and no Heismans.
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Dec 10, 2022, 2:07 PM
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No Caleb Williams will be back next year. I don’t think anyone at Clemson will ever win one. If DW or TL couldn’t do it I don’t think anyone else will.
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CU Guru [1524]
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Re: When will we get our first heisman?
Dec 10, 2022, 4:39 PM
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We never will, but Clemson might have a great player win it someday.
Don't hold your breath, though.
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We had Heisman way back!
Dec 10, 2022, 4:47 PM
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