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TNET: Swinney on Lyn-J Dixon's third-string spot: "That's just where he is"

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Sep 13, 2021, 9:12 PM

 
Swinney on Lyn-J Dixon's third-string spot: "That's just where he is"

Sometimes the depth chart released by Clemson can come with quite the serving of salt, but there's no mistaking one part of it this week. Lyn-J Dixon and his playing time early in the season -- or lack thereof -- has been addressed by Clemson coach Dabo Swinney already, but Swinney was asked on his Read Update »


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The best 3rd string RB in College Football

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Sep 13, 2021, 9:23 PM

Somebody is going to be very glad to get him.

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Yes, just like Buffalo and KC were happy


Sep 13, 2021, 9:30 PM

to get Sammy Watkins. Amazing what discipline does for some. Go Tigers!

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Re: The best 3rd string RB in College Football


Sep 14, 2021, 7:36 AM

Yep. In the parlance of those that hail from the 4th best university in South Carolina "He gone".

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Lyn-J ain’t gonna like this.***


Sep 13, 2021, 9:43 PM



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I figured something like this would happen

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Sep 13, 2021, 9:45 PM

after Lyn-J responded to Dabo’s “grow up and be a team player” comment with a tweet about being a good teammate.

I really wish everyone could just kiss and make up. This is such an unnecessary distraction for a team that has a lot of other things it should be worrying about.

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Re: I figured something like this would happen


Sep 14, 2021, 9:34 AM

This is the only thing I don't like about stuff like this being put out in the public, this type of stuff should kept "In House". Having articles like this posted will only #### Dixon off even more.

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Re: I figured something like this would happen


Sep 14, 2021, 1:22 PM

It should tick him off even more that his off the field stuff has kept him from playing time. If he can’t buy in, he can transfer. Plain and simple. I hope he’s mad at himself. It’s called accountability and responsibility.

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You are pretty confident about this, even though zero details have been released

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Sep 14, 2021, 2:34 PM

about what he did or didn’t do.

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Yep. This site grows stranger by the day.


Sep 14, 2021, 3:42 PM

So many people interjecting their imagination into these small stories.

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Re: You are pretty confident about this, even though zero details have been released


Sep 14, 2021, 9:28 PM

If C.J. put him in the doghouse, he belongs there.

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would love for this to be the last LynJ story of the year***

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Sep 13, 2021, 9:52 PM



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I hope Lynn keeps responding with improved playing like


Sep 13, 2021, 9:55 PM

he has so far, and he will get more playing time and it will be win-win.

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It's nothing to do with LJD's play quality and everything

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Sep 13, 2021, 10:19 PM

with CJ wanting to come in and be a swingingdick. The ego of a rookie position coach with no real coaching experience has officially cost us the Georgia game. This is ridiculous.

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This is the first I’ve heard about Spiller’s ego.

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Sep 13, 2021, 10:21 PM

Did I miss something?

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Probably the first you've heard of LJD's "immaturity" too.

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Sep 13, 2021, 10:30 PM

Like the rest of us.

Cj's expecting to come in and get instant respect. They all know he's never coached before though, much less been anything near a position coach at one of the top programs in football. He's like the boss's son getting promoted from the mailroom to middle management in a single promotion.

You're never going to earn respect by coming in and stamping your foot and demanding it in that situation. You have to earn it, and benching the best RB on the team because they apparently aren't kissing the ring well enough is going to move him the furthest thing from respect with the team.

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Re: Probably the first you've heard of LJD's "immaturity" too.

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Sep 13, 2021, 11:03 PM

Um, how do you know this is what is occurring??

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Obviously he hasn't the first clue about how things are working

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Sep 14, 2021, 2:25 PM

being handled in the running backs group. Its always fun to post one's imagination as a real thing though.

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I have eyes, ears, multiple articles on the topic, a better

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Sep 14, 2021, 2:34 PM

than average understanding of human psychology and leadership dynamics, and an ability to admire Dabo's success without assuming he has the infallibility of Jesus Christ himself.

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Re: Probably the first you've heard of LJD's "immaturity" too.


Sep 13, 2021, 11:26 PM

No ... Dixon began to be a problem early last season when Etienne decided to come back depriving Dixon of his entitlement as heir apparent to the starting position. He thought Travis was gone and all he had to do was assume the role.

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you know this how***

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Sep 14, 2021, 1:05 AM



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And how do you know any of what you're saying?***

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Sep 14, 2021, 8:30 AM



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LOL everything I've said is taken directly from reported


Sep 14, 2021, 8:31 AM

articles.

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"Reported Articles" Got any links there champ?


Sep 14, 2021, 8:36 AM

I peruse many Clemson sites and your posts are the first I've seen of CJ being a complete #### to our RB's and demanding respect from them. Our other backs don't seem to be having an issue with the coach. Just Lyn J and you, apparently.

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read the front page of this site and google "lyn-j", sport.


Sep 14, 2021, 8:46 AM

Seems Chez Mellusi might have had an issue too. Too bad he couldn't be riding the pine here this season, learning life lessons that will help him when he's stocking the shelves at Home Depot because he went undrafted.

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JLD's future is not NFL***


Sep 14, 2021, 5:56 PM



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Re: "Reported Articles" Got any links there champ?


Sep 15, 2021, 12:11 PM

How does he know what CJ is swinging?

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Please copy/paste these insights.


Sep 14, 2021, 2:28 PM

Seems the whole swingingdick thing is something you made up.

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glad to help.

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Sep 14, 2021, 2:32 PM

You can't cut and paste from t-net news stories, so just read the article. Tony Elliott's comments are pretty clear.

Cj's trying to use some jailhouse rules and come in early and immediately punch the biggest guy in the face.

https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-football/story/elliott-and-spiller-looking-for-accountability-maturity-from-lyn-j-dixon-19894

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I admire your efforts here, but most people here won’t

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Sep 14, 2021, 2:39 PM

be open to hearing anything less than perfect about favored son C.J.

I obviously don’t know details, and haven’t heard anything negative about Spiller until your post. You make some great points though, especially about his coaching I experience.

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Re: I admire your efforts here, but most people here won’t

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Sep 14, 2021, 2:46 PM

Still a better coach than Brownell

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Conjecture doesn't equal reality.


Sep 14, 2021, 4:52 PM

We don't know what is a good point or a bad point. Conjecture means nothing.

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Nothing in that article mirrors the extra stuff

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Sep 14, 2021, 4:48 PM

that you imagined. You're literally making up everything 'issue' you've posted.

All we know is Lyn-J needs to grow up. We don't know exactly what that means, and the best anyone can come up with is that Lyn-J needs to learn how to deal with his new coach in a mature manner. That's all we know. Anything and everything else is conjecture on a poster's part, and that does no one any good.

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No, it's not . . .

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Sep 14, 2021, 4:36 PM

Your **citations of articles** are, uh, in reference to articles ... But you have to read between the lines and speculate (or have inside info) to insist that CJ is simply playing a psychological game to establish his presence by cutting the the biggest guy down to size for no or insufficient reason.

I don't know what exactly had happened, nor do I deny that such psychological games do sometimes get played by people in positions of authority... but it is not gleaned with relative certainty by simply reading the articles.

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Re: LOL everything I've said is taken directly from reported


Sep 15, 2021, 12:12 PM

Yes yes the media should definitely believed. They dont have an agenda.

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Re: you know this how***


Sep 14, 2021, 3:36 PM

https://theclemsoninsider.com/2020/03/06/dixon-was-taken-aback-by-etiennes-decision/


Care to read it?

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^^^ This Right Here ^^^ ... entitled attitude.***


Sep 14, 2021, 7:04 PM



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this sounds like that movie where michael j fox

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Sep 14, 2021, 4:52 PM

winds up banging his aunt
Obed®

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Re: It's nothing to do with LJD's play quality and everything


Sep 13, 2021, 10:53 PM

CJ has been around Clemson for two seasons now.

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Yeah I'm not giving "grad assistant" coaching duty


Sep 14, 2021, 1:10 AM

stats.

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Jeff Scott was a grad assistant

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Sep 14, 2021, 8:19 AM

Cohn was an advisor. A High School coach before that. Grisham was a grad assistant

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I'm missing your point? I'm not dismissing the position,


Sep 14, 2021, 8:24 AM

I'm saying I don't weigh it equally, experience-wise, with the position coach title. He has precisely two games of coaching experience so far.

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Yet Lyn J is the only one apparently with an issue


Sep 14, 2021, 8:34 AM

Can we agree that Rencher is the team leader in that room? Model citizen, been there the longest, works his butt off within his abilities. Do you think maybe Dabo and TE have spoken with him? Dabo isn't letting this go. There has to be a reason for that, and it's not his ego. Could it be that Lyn J is an issue? The issue? Dabo has always been exceptional in letting team leaders lead. He values their input. I find it hard to believe he's basing all of this off of just CJ's views

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If Rencher is the leader in that room, it seems

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Sep 14, 2021, 8:51 AM

CJ might have benched him too, since Elliott says this is about him establishing the "hierarchy in the room".

An intelligent, savvy individual may very well have used Rencher as the bridge to get to LJD and break through, instead of this scorched Earth tactic currently being employed.

Again, it's undisputed by the coaches that this is about CJ putting his stamp on that room and establishing himself as "the man". There are ways to do that, that don't penalize both Clemson and LJD.

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Just a guess

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Sep 14, 2021, 9:00 AM

but I'm betting Rencher has been involved as a bridge. The scorched earth as you call it was not just a snap reaction. Dabo is very calculated in what he does. It's a response to an issue that isn't being handled well by one person. You say it's CJ. The rest of the room indicates it's not

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Dude, you seem like an intelligent guy.


Sep 14, 2021, 2:31 PM

What's up with all the imagined scenarios? Nothing written supports your theories.

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try asking the same thing once so I don't

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Sep 14, 2021, 2:37 PM

have to reply in three places.

P.S. My kids loved Peppa Pig too.

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Let me say it again...


Sep 14, 2021, 8:12 PM

Nothing written anywhere lends credence to your imagined theories.

It's cool to have theories and all, but please don't post them as facts using articles where you and only you are inserting ideas that aren't remotely stated in the articles.

Don't mean to continue with the back and forth, but please understand nothing you're saying about any of this has any verified substance. You're literally making things up with a supposed basis in an article or two that don't allude to such things.

I'm not sure where we're not connecting here. Maybe you can post the precise words that lend credence to your theories?

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You have to have more faith in Dabo than this.

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Sep 14, 2021, 9:46 AM

Even if you think this about CJ, Dabo is the veteran head coach of a premier football program and has instilled a thoughtful and player-supporting culture at Clemson. I can’t imagine anyone disagrees with that. So if HE thinks the issue is coming from LJD needing to adjust his attitude, it carries weight. If Dabo thought it was just CJ not handling his coaching duties well, he probably would have addressed it differently.

I hope this works out well for LJD. I can see him aligning with the coaches and having a monster senior year at Clemson.

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I agree with this.

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Sep 14, 2021, 2:42 PM

Although I would argue that Dabo was out of line publicly saying that a young man is a bad teammate and needs to grow up. That was unnecessary and counterproductive.

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He didn't say he was a bad teammate.***


Sep 14, 2021, 8:15 PM



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How many positions has Clemson gave CJ now?

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Sep 14, 2021, 3:30 AM

first he wanted to be on the radio team then he had a position with IPTAY and then as a grad assistant that wasn't good enough now he's on the coaching staff. seems like its never enough for him. Lyn J never seemed to have a problem until CJ stepped in.


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Re: How many positions has Clemson gave CJ now?


Sep 14, 2021, 6:04 AM

Great post!

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I posted something similar yesterday.

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Sep 14, 2021, 8:29 AM

How can Lyn J all of a sudden, after 3 years of backing up ETN become a bad teammate? The only thing g that changed in that Running Back room is CJ.

I love CJ. God knows I love what he did for school but like I said before the RB’s at Clemson are a high profile position and we have a complete rookie coach over those guys. Best production we had from that group in last 8 years has been when Tony had them.

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Cool story bro.***


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LOL at that costing us the Georgia game***


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Re: It's nothing to do with LJD's play quality and everything


Sep 15, 2021, 8:04 PM

I would take a college football legend and great NFL player over most running back coaches. You suggesting C.J. does not know what he is doing?
He is way overqualified.

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this is like not running the RB in that usc game we ended up

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Sep 13, 2021, 10:33 PM

losing



sometime the coaches can be too pig headed and prima donnas too.

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Merriweather.

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Sep 13, 2021, 10:39 PM

It's shaping up to be a season-long Merriweather.

Only diff in Merriweather is that the bad call was made by a head coach.

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Another situation that is misrembered by fans

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Sep 14, 2021, 8:34 PM

Here are the carries on that infamous drive:

RM 7
RM 11
Spiller 23
Spiller 9
Spiller -1
Spiller 8
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Davis 1
Davis 3
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Davis -1

Fans talking about it now make it sound like RM single-handedly carried the team all the way down the field just to be yanked from the game at the crucial moment. That's really not what happened at all. Spiller had, by far, the biggest play of the drive and the fatal mistake was Proctor taking a sack he absolutely could not take (he took sacks on both of his drop backs on that drive too).

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Why did Davis get 4 straight carries given the state you’re

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Sep 14, 2021, 9:46 PM

showing? Reggie had the hit hand and was the bruising back we needed in the red zone. Davis wasn’t cutting it the whole game. Don’t twist the facts.

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Lyn J is not 3rd string. Do what you gotta do LJD.


Sep 13, 2021, 10:38 PM

Starter anywhere, but Clemson. Not for lack of being the best back on our roster either.
smh

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Smh…

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Sep 13, 2021, 11:33 PM

Lyn-J is well liked by his teammates and this thing is going to be polarizing in the locker room. We got a full blown distraction brewing at the worst possible time.

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No wonder Mellusi jetted***

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speaking of RB's


Sep 14, 2021, 3:31 AM

where is Mafah? is he even on the team anymore?

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Re: speaking of RB's


Sep 14, 2021, 12:03 PM

Let's not start any gossip. He's being saved, not wanting to use up his 4 games until more meaningful, so he can red shirt. Dabo addressed that.

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Re: TNET: Swinney on Lyn-J Dixon's third-string spot: "That's just where he is"

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Sep 14, 2021, 4:47 AM

So, hold up here! He is third on the depth cart, and yet he’s run for more yards and TD’s in his career than both Pace and Shipley. Honestly I’m disappointed in Pace and Shipley, to be so highly thought of, they have done squat against a real defense! SC State you don’t count, sorry! Lyn-J against UGA at least not only got you 10 yards on the first carry, but he also did a heck of a better job picking up the rush! Pace and Shipley struggled! What about Dukes, Mafah, those two should honestly be behind Lyn-J! CJ what the FREAK! You even know what you doing! Obviously NO! UGA proved it! Now we got GT, yeah they rebuilding, but that defense of GT will give us a fit if the O-Line isn’t blocking, and the running backs aren’t pass protecting! Move Lyn-J, Dukes, and Mafah to their respective 1/2/3 starting spots and put Pace and Shipley back in the oven to back up a little more! By the way So Cal job opened up, if this offense looks like crap this weekend, I’d suggest Elliott, Spiller and Caldwell put in job apps for So Cal! Who knows it might rejuvenate them. Calling COACH MORRIS, COACH NORM CHOW, COACH KINDEL BRYLES, ready to come rejuvenate our uptempo offense, PLEASE!!!!

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You were doing really well until you paged Chad Morris.

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Sep 14, 2021, 7:27 AM

Been there done that

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Re: TNET: Swinney on Lyn-J Dixon's third-string spot: "That's just where he is"

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Sep 14, 2021, 6:51 AM

C.J. has an ego? Really? Yall just now figuring this out? If anyone had paid attention during camp, you would have seen it.
C.J. has nfl exp. Something we need. So he has an ego. What did you expect? He knows more about the rb position than all of us put together. Deal with it. If Lyn-j wants to play, hes going to have to deal with, or put on his walkin shoes. Apparently, none of yall have ever worked a friggin day in your lives for a stuck up, tight ### boss. You either talk it out, or you make your next move. Going up the chain of command doesnt work unless you have evidence of some sort of wrong doing. All the friggin whining on here is pathetic

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CJ…..the guy who couldn’t get tough yards up the middle

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Sep 14, 2021, 7:31 AM

If his life depended on it, knows more about the RB position than anyone. Ok. And since when does playing a position automatically translate into being able to teach/coach it? LJD should take a Wonderlic. If he beats CJ’s 10, he gets to start.

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Re: CJ…..the guy who couldn’t get tough yards up the middle

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Sep 14, 2021, 8:11 AM

Ok, coach. Im sure you are aware that "running up the middle" has more to do with your OL than your rb. Youre correct that talent doesnt equate to coaching ability. However, as the employee, or player, ya do what the boss says, or you ride the pine. If.Lyn-J wants to play, he swallows his pride, does what his coach tells him, and he gets his playing time. Most of yall seem to be missing the point. Coach Spiller didnt say he wouldnt play, or that anyone else was better. Lyn-J just needs to get with the program. Or he can transfer to USuC. We all saw how well that worked out.....

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I'd buy the running up the middle OL argument,

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Sep 14, 2021, 8:22 AM

if James Davis hadn't been so good at it with the same OL.

You're not making bad points, but you're missing mine. CJ hasn't been in a position like this before. You simply don't get instant respect AS A COACH with a room full of 20 year olds because you were a great player 10-15 years ago. CJ has to earn that respect, he clearly doesn't know how to get it, and he's making all the wrong moves. I'm not sure what Dabo is doing letting it go this route.

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Re: I'd buy the running up the middle OL argument,


Sep 14, 2021, 11:58 AM

A great player doesnt necessarily make a great coach. Seen lots of skill position workers who couldnt make it as a manager. Had to sit several down and explain the light. They then get with the program or they are toast. Everyone needs time to figure out how to swim the current. However, one person complaining to me about their manager, without talking to said manager, and no one else having an issue, usually falls back on the employee. I may pay more attention to the manager, but the employee pretty much gets zero leeway if they arent bringing me proof of serious delinquency of duty or out right actions detrimental to the company.
None of us know exactly what is going on. All we are doing is speculating. As far as i know, no one, not even Lyn-J has said "this is what happened". So, all our guessing is just that. Considering that no other players have raised an issue, i am inclined to go with coach Spiller. Lyn-J has talent. Weve all seen it. Coach Spiller must have a good reason for what he is doing. I am also believing that coach Swinney has looked into this, with his new coach and potential lead back.....

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How many times in the past 6 years has a player been

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Sep 14, 2021, 7:34 AM

sat for being in a position coaches dog house? I can recall 0. This is completely on CJ. Lyn J doesn't need to kiss CJ's ### to get playing time. If I'm Lyn J- if I do not get significant playing time in the next 2 games I'm saving my eligibility and transferring to a school that knows how to utilize my talent. He was a close 2nd to Etienne for 3 years and now he magically sits behind a sophomore and freshman who clearly aren't as talented?

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He was a 2nd, not remotely close to ETN

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Sep 14, 2021, 7:49 AM

snaps reflect that clearly

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Re: How many times in the past 6 years has a player been


Sep 14, 2021, 8:02 AM

To get.playing time, apparently he does need to "kiss his ###", or at least, do what is expected. You dont remember any rb getting benched? Really? How about Bellamy? HE had all the talent in the world, but hmmmmmm, something wrong there.
You are correct, though, about it being on Coach Spiller. He is the coach.

Make sure you file your complaints with coach Swinney and coach Spiller. Im sure they have a circular file next to their desks where they will file those complaints.

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Lyn-J was a distant second, not a “close” second to ETN


Sep 14, 2021, 7:16 PM

Lordy, what have you been watching? Dixon has almost no meaningful yardage in his entire career as back-up to ETN.

Both Shipley and Pace, as raw freshmen have way more upside and the coaches see that.

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Re: TNET: Swinney on Lyn-J Dixon's third-string spot: "That's just where he is"

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Sep 15, 2021, 12:27 PM

Im self employed and you are exactly right. I get frustrated with myself being a stuck up tight a$$ sometimes.

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Re: TNET: Swinney on Lyn-J Dixon's third-string spot: "That's just where he is"


Sep 14, 2021, 7:41 AM

Dixon is definitely one of our top 2 rb's. I bet Dabo agrees with that. Dabo has to keep order on the team though. The inmates can't run the asylum.

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It's good to pull this stuff when you're winning and your

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Sep 14, 2021, 7:44 AM

team looks like it's gelling and you're playing as a unit.

Not sure how this is helpful when our offense has looked like hot garbage, in large part due to a lack of a power running game.

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Let's see here

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Sep 14, 2021, 7:53 AM

at least from the lack of reports, our freshmen and sophomore RB's have adjusted to CJ. Haven't heard anything from Rencher who is clearly the team leader in that room. This is also pretty clearly related to off the field stuff, and only Lyn J apparently has the issue. Yet so many throw CJ under the bus

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Gee, he's the first position coach they've had at Clemson,

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Sep 14, 2021, 8:27 AM

what did they adjust from, their high school coach? Like Elliott even said, he and LJD got along fine for the past 3 seasons.

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Those prior 3 seasons Lyn J knew beyond a shadow of a doubt

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Sep 14, 2021, 8:44 AM

he was not starting. His role was predetermined. He clearly expected to start this year and assume the role of ETN. Look, Lyn J has been a terrific 5-10 carry a game guy behind ETN for 3 years. But he's not ETN, and these guys now ahead of him are equally if not more physically talented. The talent gap that existed with ETN as the #1 is no longer there. That means you have to do the little things. You, as a senior, have to lead. You lead by setting the example. It's pretty clear that's where the issue is. He's not doing the off the field stuff that all coaches expect. Everyone else apparently has bought in.

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Re: Let's see here

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Sep 14, 2021, 8:51 AM

It sounds like to me LJ-Dixon went over Spiller's head and spoke with Coach TE and he deferred back to Spiller and as a new coach just like a new manager if you are going to control your area you need to set your standards and if LJ wants to be a part of this team he needs to fall in line. Whether we like it or not CJ is the RB coach and he needs to implement his authority and his knowledge of the teams goals. You cam second guess all you want the hire but you either have to trust Dabo or not. He has done a pretty good job so far, who you not agree? I did not particularly like the Tahj hire because he does not seem to be all in yet based on his reasoning for getting into coaching and he never played well in meaningful games outside a bowl but again I trust Dabo! Let him do his job and raise this young men the way he has done it the last 12-13 years. There is a reason we have such a high rate of involvement by former players in our program and it is not because Dabo is doing things the wrong way.

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He gone***

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Sep 14, 2021, 8:27 AM



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and I wouldn't blame him a bit.***

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Re: and I wouldn't blame him a bit.***

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Sep 14, 2021, 8:45 AM

I put this on CJ and Dabo. Rarely do you get an excellent coach from a former great player. Great Players perform as they are coached and they do it well, but they didn't have to decide or design the play. Go over a list of NFL and NCAA coaches; few were names from players, Dabo was a walk-on and played little. Look at the player status of our other coaches, or Alabama, LSU, UNC, VT, Tampa Bay, New England Pats, Auburn, or Urban Meyer. They learned sitting on the bench drawing plays and studying coaches drawing plays; they saw the execution of those plays.

CJ was great...at execution

....not at coaching and maybe not at conveying his desires to players and other coaches.

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Bingo....everyone arguing in this thread seems to think

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Sep 14, 2021, 8:54 AM

that someone with zero coaching experience will just waltz and and be awesome with leadership, strategy, tact, interpersonal connections with the players simply because we loved cheering him make Rob Spence look good 15 years ago. Dabo isn't helping develop CJ as a leader whatsoever, and seems to be giving him just enough rope to hang himself. Meanwhile we lost a winnable UGA game and LJD's draft stock is in a freefall.

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Sep 14, 2021, 12:24 PM

No one, and i mean NO ONE, is immediately a great or even good coach. Many have to make mistakes to learn. A great man once told me.... bad decisions lead to experience. Experience leads to wisdom. Wisdom leads to great decisions.
However, all your conjecture and opinion are based upon very limited resources. Are you in the rb room? Have you been listening in on all the conversations? This wouldn't be the first time a player thought he should be the lead back, and when it didnt just happen, got all pouty. I highly doubt that coach Swinney is unaware of the situation and letting Spiller "hang himself". You forget, Spiller was Dabos first big recruit. CJ may be getting some preferential(even lover-like treatment- sorry had to put in the Deadpool), but i doubt Dabo is just going to let him fail.

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That quote is one of my favorites....lemme help you with it.


Sep 14, 2021, 1:31 PM

"Good decisions come from experience. Experience comes from bad decisions."

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You folks pretending to know ANYTHING about what is


Sep 14, 2021, 2:39 PM

going on, just need to stop. None of these posters in this thread have any idea how things are transporting, and its silly to try and fill in the blanks with one's imagination.

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LOL, ok Baghdad Bob. Which part of the AD building

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Sep 14, 2021, 2:41 PM

do you sit in?



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Again

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Sep 14, 2021, 8:16 PM

Your imagined issues do not equal facts.

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Exactly, we don't know if things are being transported

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Sep 14, 2021, 2:45 PM

by vehicle, aircraft, or ship.

I'm willing to admit that I don't, anyway.

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LOL what a moran.***

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Easy there big guy


Sep 14, 2021, 8:19 PM

The keyboard decided on transporting instead of transpiring, but let's not get carried away and pretend it supports your imagined ideas.

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I'm guessing pack mule.

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Sep 14, 2021, 2:58 PM

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Why do dogs always race to the door when the doorbell rings? It's almost never for them.


+1 Takes a big man to admit one’s shortcomings.***

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Re: TNET: Swinney on Lyn-J Dixon's third-string spot: "That's just where he is"

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Sep 14, 2021, 9:31 AM

This is really going to hurt the Tigers in the locker room. I believe Lyn-J was our second best dancer in the locker room after wins - a close 2nd to Ajou Ajou.

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I don't love it, but this is where Dabo needs to adjust.

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Sep 14, 2021, 9:39 AM

Gone are the days of autocratic rule by college coaches. LJD is clearly our best RB. Work it out Dabo.

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Sep 14, 2021, 11:03 AM

Respectfully and totally disagree. That’s not the way it happens in real life. If you end up in an organization that you don’t like, you as the individual have to make the change. You either do what you need to do to fit into the organization or you leave. Large organizations do not change to meet the wishes of every individual. That’s life.

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ummm, you looked up any of the 180 degree changes fortune

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Sep 14, 2021, 1:39 PM

500 companies have made in the past few years because a few employees got their feelings hurt and sent a petition? It's absolutely and unfortunately how the world works.

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Sep 14, 2021, 2:40 PM

I spent 35 years managing large manufacturing operations. 9 plants total. Even coming in as the plant manager I had enough sense to know trying to change everyone else to my way wasn’t successful unless I had the backing of the overall organization. Certainly wouldn’t have worked at the operator level…..ummmm…..

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Oh man why didn't you say manufacturing.

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Sep 14, 2021, 2:42 PM

That's just like managing social media era 18 year olds with stars in their eyes and the whole world saying they're great.

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Re: Oh man why didn't you say manufacturing.


Sep 14, 2021, 3:58 PM

Do you mean they are as similar as moran and moron?? Ummmmmm??

Might be more similar than you think.

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Re: I don't love it, but this is where Dabo needs to adjust.


Sep 15, 2021, 12:32 PM

They used to call that assimilating. Something many know nothing about.

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Re: I don't love it, but this is where Dabo needs to adjust.

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Sep 14, 2021, 12:42 PM


Gone are the days of autocratic rule by college coaches. LJD is clearly our best RB. Work it out Dabo.




I think I'm going to go with the opinion of the guy who took Clemson from a middle of the road ACC team to a National power. If he says LJD isn't getting playing time because of off the field issues then there is something going on. It sounds like LJD thought he was entitled to the first spot and when he found out it wasn't guaranteed and he would have to work for it that he hasn't responded well. Dabo has no tolerance for poor behavior and he has enforced that consistently over the years. Dabo needs to keep on doing exactly what he has always done. Set expectations, enforce expectations, and help coach up anyone who isn't meeting those expectations. I'm amazed at how all of a sudden Clemson fans think that a coaching staff with 6 straight playoff appearances and 2 national titles just forgot how to coach and are clueless when it comes to coaching selection and player development. We are so spoiled that we fail to realize just how good this staff is and what they have accomplished. I want to see LJD succeed as much as anyone out there, but we will be just fine either way.

Our offense looks about like this every year (barring GA). The SC state game was out of hand in the first quarter and then Clemson spent the rest of the half working on player development. We do it every year. First few games the offense looks disjointed and then it starts clicking more and more as the year goes on and they establish player hierarchy and roles.

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Sep 14, 2021, 1:12 PM

Right. On one side you have the guy who made Clemson a power and a coach he hired who was also a first round pick and spent a few years in the NFL. On the other side you have a guy is now really famous for not playing. So of course people are lining up behind the guy who has never done anything. Pitch the whole “culture” thing because we so desperately need a guy some think MIGHT be a better running back on a team that never runs.

With or without him we steamroll the worse than ever ACC and win some bowl game. With or without him we miss the playoffs because the remaining schedule is just a joke (unless USC, by some miracle, beats UGA).

And why is it a given that Spiller doesn’t know what he’s talking about? He isn’t an experienced running backs coach. OK why would you want a seasoned one? It’s an entry level job. Nobody good is going to stay in it very long.

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a) With Will Swinney at RB we steamroll the ACC. Why are


Sep 14, 2021, 1:49 PM

you dancing around the fact that with him (LJD, not Will Swinney) we likely win UGA as well?

b) Name 5 star college athletes who were great coaches in the last 40-50 years. Take your time. If you struggle, then ask why CJ had to call in a favor with Dabo to get a freaking graduate assistant role at Clemson instead of DII/HBU's clamoring for his services as a position coach, which would have given him a little more experience before jumping into a role at Clemson that quite literally no one else on the planet would have hired him for?

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Sep 14, 2021, 3:17 PM

How do you get that all we had to do was play Dixon and we would have beat UGA? Where does that come from? When did this career backup become the next Zeke Elliot?

No I can’t name 5 star players who became great coaches because the great coaches are all about 75 and nobody can remember when they played. But Spurrier did OK. Kingsbury is coming along. Tony Dungy did OK. Kirby Smart isn’t so bad. Harbaugh had some good years. So did Frost. It happens. And all we are talking about is running backs coach, man. I don’t think being a great running back automatically disqualifies somebody from being a running backs coach.

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Sep 14, 2021, 3:22 PM

DO SOME OF YOU IDIOTS ACTUALLY READ OVER THE TOTAL BULLSH!T THAT IS TYPED IN HERE. I SURE AS HE!! HOPE RECRUITS DO NOT FREQUENT ANY CLEMSON WEBSITES. HOW DO SOME OF YOU FUNCTION IN THE REAL WORLD. NO WONDER OUR COUNTRY IS GOING STRAIGHT DOWN THE SH!TTER.

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FINALLY SOMENE GETS IT OBED IS TAKING THIS COUNTRY

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Sep 14, 2021, 3:34 PM

RIGHT DOWN THE SH!TTER WITH HIS STINKY LIN-J LOG.HOW MANY COACHING JOBS DID YOUR FORMER COACH GET YOUR OBED. HUH. CJ SPALLER IS A CLEMSEN AND COLLEGE FOOTBALL HOFAMER. HE DIDNT JUST GET TO WHRE HE IS BY JUST GETTING HANDED THINGS HIS HOLE CAREER. RUNNING BACKS DONT JUST TAKE THINGS AND RUN WITH IT. CUT YOUR HAIR TO DAME IT.

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Sep 15, 2021, 12:58 PM

Dude,

You forgot your meds this a.m. Find the scrip and swallow your happy pills. You will be much more relaxed and won't have to keep typing in all CAPS.

Regards,

Big Pharma

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There's zero information pointing to your "what it sounds

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Sep 14, 2021, 1:43 PM

like", namely: "It sounds like LJD thought he was entitled to the first spot and when he found out it wasn't guaranteed and he would have to work for it that he hasn't responded well"

Ummm, no. LJD actually wasn't expecting ETN to come back last season, and he was a team player and took that quite well then also. If anyone could expect a little respect for being a team player and waiting for their turn graciously, it's Lyn-J, and CJ has given him zero because apparently he thinks that'll make him look like Knute Rockne.

If you take the evidence literally, from Dabo and TE quotes, the issues are 110% between CJ and LJD. What he's done wrong is quoted verbatim as getting in CJ's doghouse. Not Dabo's doghouse, not TE's doghouse (and TE went out of his way to say he and LJD got along great the past 3 years. TE also said that CJ is trying to establish his place at the top of hierarchy in the RB room.

It couldn't be any clearer that this is not a hill that Dabo or Tony would choose to die on, but since CJ is, and he's their coaching hire, they're letting him have his way.

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If true, that is a really risky and short-sighted move on their part.***

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Sep 15, 2021, 12:34 PM

Bingo. Many people dont bother to study history.

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What happens when we cannot run the ball

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Sep 14, 2021, 4:42 PM

for shizzz and all the sudden LJD is standing there with his hands on his hips. The better capitulate and get his ### on the field.

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Lyn-J Dixon is a career backup who felt entitled to start


Sep 14, 2021, 7:20 PM

He’s done nothing to support that feeling.

He has a lot of yards during garbage time once ETN was done for the day.

Name one play by Dixon that has made a difference in whether Clemson won or lost a game,

Just one ...

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Sep 14, 2021, 2:01 PM

Dabo has no choice but to support his assistant coach Spiller or risk him losing respect from his position group. Tough for all but 3rd string on Clemson ain’t bad. In my day I would have taken that and busted my chops every day.

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I think most people would take it if there was no chance


Sep 14, 2021, 2:04 PM

whatsoever that they might get drafted with a solid final season (that they're capable of) under their belt. I'm in that group too and I'd call my parents and brag on third string and enjoy my free Clemson swag and the best free food on campus. LJD's not in our group.

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Sep 14, 2021, 7:10 PM

The more you follow this story, the more it's to CJ. Dixon has never been an issue so all of a sudden he is? I think this staff promised the world to some newbies and Lyn-J is going to be the unfortunate victim. Mark it down this will effect recruiting going forward. If I'm Dixon and I leave I do tell all!!

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Sep 14, 2021, 9:58 PM

So what you're saying is that CJ, a Heisman candidate, all American, ring of Honor and College football hall of fame member, 1st rd draft pick, and all pro NFL rb, has to "earn" the respect of his RB room that's full of college players that have accomplished absolutely zero in their college careers?

That's some seriously warped sense of logic and a total lack of understanding of respect and chain of command. CJ doesn't owe anyone of those guys a dang thing. He's the coach, they're his players. It's not a democracy. Do what you're told, when you're told or suffer the consequences. They could all hate him on a personal level, nothing wrong with that. I've had many coaches throughout my life that i didn't like that definitely had no clue what they were doing (which I don't think that's CJ at all). But you check your emotions at the door and do your job.

You can make the argument that you think he's not a good coach, although anyone making that call at this point is entirely too dismissive this early, but you cannot make the argument that CJ demands respect from his players and is out of line by forcing LJ to fall in line and "kiss the ring."

Whether that's what CJ is doing or not is totally irrelevant. To continously argue your stance that LJ isn't playing bc of CJs behavior is completely missing the big picture. That being, LJ isn't playing bc of the way he's reacting to CJs behavior. It's not CJs job to earn his players respect. It's their job to earn his, their coach. And again this is all just arguing against your logic, not that I'm agreeing with your reasoning why this is happening. I'd bet that very few people on this board REALLY know the issue. I sure don't, and I don't really care what the issue is... it's your placing the blame on CJs behavior and not LDs behavior (whatever behavior that might be) that is ### backwards.

I can't imagine being a career back up player and, during my last year having one of the best ncaa rbs in history, come in to coach me... and not soaking up every bit of his knowledge of the position in order to better myself. Whether ####### or not, I don't care. If you've accomplished nothing in your career and you don't have immediate respect for his accomplishments and the experience they brought him, then you don't deserve playing time bc you clearly think you've already arrived and that attitude is poison to team culture... perhaps why Dabo said he needs to grow up and be a team player.

Just to be clear, I don't know LJ and I'm not saying him or CJ are behaving this way. My problem is with anyone deflecting the blame away from to players behavior and trying to place it on their position coach.

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Sep 15, 2021, 1:05 PM

Amazon has a Leadership Principle called "Disagree and Commit". Basically you have a responsibility to disagree with an idea and make it known to your 'leader', but once you have done so, you need to #### and get in line. You have acted on the first part of the principle by speaking up, but after that you need to commit to the new idea whether or not it agrees with your opinion of it. LJD needs to disagree and commit.

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Sep 15, 2021, 1:32 PM

You know, Dabo said he needs to mature with the OFF the field stuff. That tells me LJ has done something like skip classes, skip team meetings, late for practice, or something else non football related. I know none of that stuff matters in the SEC, but at Clemson it does. Remember when Garcia was keying cars, and Spurrier said that was a "school issue"? That's not Dabo's way.

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