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TNET: SEC transfer pitcher commits to Clemson
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Re: TNET: SEC transfer pitcher commits to Clemson
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Jun 28, 2025, 8:43 PM
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Can you all STOP with the “SEC” headline ….. day after day?
How about “Tenn transfer,….”
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“Clemson gets a transfer pitcher….”
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Re: TNET: SEC transfer pitcher commits to Clemson
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Jun 28, 2025, 9:00 PM
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Great to have you young man.
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Re: TNET: SEC transfer pitcher commits to Clemson
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Jun 29, 2025, 9:00 AM
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And that is very obvious.
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BaseballCharlie called it.
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Jun 28, 2025, 9:05 PM
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Well done, BaseballCharlie!
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Re: BaseballCharlie called it.
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Jun 28, 2025, 10:46 PM
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"Major Pitching Transfer"? Might be a little oversell?
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Re: BaseballCharlie called it.
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Jun 29, 2025, 5:17 AM
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No it’s not…. This is a big get and we aren’t done yet….. you’re just upset for some reason. See the other thread I posted. Why are you mad?
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Re: BaseballCharlie called it.
Jun 29, 2025, 10:44 AM
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Are we looking at all at trying to pick up Austin Breedlove from the Vols too? Wants to be a weekend starter somewhere.
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Alright Sharm welcome to the Family
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Jun 28, 2025, 9:12 PM
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Let’s Gooooo! Lighting in an arm!💪🏽
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Re: Alright Sharm welcome to the Family
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Jun 28, 2025, 9:56 PM
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Jesus is one of several things in my life that outweigh Clemson athletics…
Enjoy the video..I’ll be pulling for this kid…
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Re: TNET: SEC transfer pitcher commits to Clemson
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Jun 28, 2025, 10:39 PM
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Upper 80s, low 90s fastball so he isn’t necessarily that power arm that everyone is looking for but seems like a nice get nonetheless. He was mostly a midweek opener and bullpen guy for them, he didn’t really pitch in any conference games.
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Re: TNET: SEC transfer pitcher commits to Clemson
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Jun 28, 2025, 11:21 PM
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Posted in another thread and I know it's not popular but Not impressed by the way it was presented. I was under the impression we were getting an established weekend starter from a team that competed in Omaha.
Honestly, McGovern and Garris are better imo. But EB has to do something. We're leaking oil with our transfers, seniors and MLB guys. Color me skeptical, a lot of noise (talk) about Omaha and putting the word on the street that we're searching for pitching and seeking heat missiles.
We've lost two potential good team members in TP and Kieck. I know Kieck looked horrible in the few times he pitched, but I think he'd have developed.
Imho, we're coming across and acting like desperation mode. I know it rubs some the wrong way, but I don't like the brownell model of renting a team every year. I much prefer Dabo, Rittman, Kwolek, and Noonan approach of recruiting, development, and filling holes with a few transfers if needed.
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Jun 29, 2025, 1:22 AM
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that's great to say, but is it that easy to do?
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Jun 29, 2025, 5:15 AM
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Respectfully some of y’all can’t see past velocity….. this kid is going to be a key piece to our bullpen….. our pitching is and has been so awful that this is a “major” get and I stand by that. Plus we aren’t done yet……. We aren’t gonna land elite level guys from elite schools. We’re gonna get elite players from small level or somewhat proven players from high level schools. I’ll take this kid over plenty of arms. You compare him to McGovern…. What would be wrong with having 2 of him? Situational lefties are always needed
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Jun 29, 2025, 6:20 AM
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Take a look at the LSU ace he threw max 94, sometimes it’s about how you spot the pitch not the velocity
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Jun 29, 2025, 4:01 PM
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That’s true, but he also has an offspeed and two breaking pitches to go with it (all rated as above average MLB pitches according to MLB.com). Our guys seem to only have fastball, changeup, slider, where the two secondary pitches aren’t great. We’ve been down this path of control > velocity, and it hasn’t panned out. McGovern is the best example, he has the worst velocity of any pitcher, yet his CU/CB combo was so good the fastball was playable. If the other team sits fastball every time, then velocity doesn’t matter.
Not to mention, but upper 90’s velocity is always going to be there, even if control isn’t. If the offspeed stuff isn’t working, 96-99 still can get guys out.
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Jun 29, 2025, 9:11 AM
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We don’t only need velocity but there is a serious lack of power arms. He’s shown potential but it may be hard to get excited considering how pitching has turned out with Belanger in charge. Glad to have the depth but does this move the needle?
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Jun 29, 2025, 9:36 AM
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Dude the guy never pitched in any meaningful conference games . Only a mid week guy , this is not the type of pitchers we must have in order to have any serious shot of getting to Omaha . We have a staff full of pitchers like this that can’t help us get to where we we want to go . This is not a great pickup at all .
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Jun 29, 2025, 12:44 PM
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Y’all’s expectations are way too high. I don’t think you realize how difficult recruiting high level guys is. You act like we can just go get any player from any team we want. Logically, why would someone already starting on a team that went farther than us, want to get up and leave to come here. We also do not have the funds to get a fish that big, those guys are commanding more NIL money for themselves than anyone else we’ve got.
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Jun 29, 2025, 4:16 PM
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Right, I think we are going after the high floor/low ceiling guys because they simply are cheaper. I would love to have guys like Henry Ford, but he’s a top transfer target because he has the highest ceiling of anyone available. Obviously, I’d love to have guys with better tools and potential, but we can’t compete with the LSU’s, MSU’s, and Tennessees of the world.
Makes me wonder if we would have even tried to go after Wideman if he didn’t have a Clemson connection.
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Re: TNET: SEC transfer pitcher commits to Clemson
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Jun 29, 2025, 10:17 PM
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I agree with some of this. We're probably not gonna get a good, proven starter or reliever from an SEC school to come here. Or one of the biggest pitching prospects, for that matter. Because why would they? Right now, Clemson doesn't have a great pitching track record. So you have to be creative and take chances on under-the-radar guys or players searching for more innings. Guys like Veasey. But there can still be some good finds there.
Like with football, I think the money part of it is overblown. Clemson's never gonna be #1, but we've actually got pretty good funding. Or at least we should; I know there was some talk of Bakich raising the alarm that the baseball NIL wasn't as good as they expected it to be. Now, we don't typically go after the highest dollar portal targets, and I'm actually ok with that for the most part. More often than not, that's not a good use of resources, as you need to be smart about how you distribute the NIL funds that you have. It's usually better to get several value guys than it is to sink all your cash into one bloated (and probably overrated) star.
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Re: TNET: SEC transfer pitcher commits to Clemson
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Jun 29, 2025, 10:04 PM
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Clemgalalways® I agree with some of this. It is cool to get a guy from Tennessee, but I will admit, outside of the previous school, I don't see much that inspires me here. It looks like he was a midweek starter/low leverage reliever who pitched almost exclusively against inferior competition. Apparently, his velocity also isn't great, as he's got a high 80's/low 90's fastball. When a significant portion of the highlight video is pickoff throws, that's not a great sign. The other issue is that he's already a senior, so it's not like he's got a lot of room for development left as potential long-term project.
Looking at his game log, I like this even less. In his only action against power-4 competition, he faced 1 batter vs Auburn, whom he walked on 4 straight pitches before being pulled. Against LSU, he faced 2 batters, giving up a double on the 2nd pitch. The next hitter was intentionally walked, then Sharman was taken out. He fared better against Kentucky, retiring the only batter he faced on 4 pitches. Looking at the rest of the mid-major teams he faced, he was alright, but not spectacular. For the season, he pitched 22.2 innings, giving up 19 hits, 8 earned runs, 10 walks, 25 strikeouts, and a .229 average against. He made 17 appearances, 3 starts. Most of his outings went an inning or less, and his longest appearance was 4.1 innings.
I don't know if the comparisons to McGovern and Garris are sensible though. I'd certainly say Garris is better; he's a proven, high leverage reliever with pretty good velo, good stuff, and command. But I don't know if that's even the role they'd want Sharman in; they seem like different types of players. McGovern would actually be a lot more comparable to him, in my opinion. I don't want to knock Jacob because he's been very effective when used properly as a change-of-pace reliever, and he was the difference in the game for the Tigers in that regional opener against Upstate. And all this is being said about a guy who wasn't regarded as a significant recruit. But to an extent, he's still a gimmick player. The off-speed stuff is great, but his velocity is nonexistent. As we've seen multiple times, when the coaches try to start him or extend him too far, he gets shelled. He does a lot better when used as a versatile, change-of-pace reliever. I imagine Sharman could do well in a similar role since they seem like similar players.
I don't agree with the sentiment that we're "leaking oil" with transfers, draftees, and seniors. I honestly don't think we've lost much aside from what we all expected. Obviously, Cam's getting drafted. Listi, Ciufo, and Paino have exhausted eligibility, but respectfully, I don't think any of them will be missed greatly in the batter's box, except maybe Listi to an extent. As for transfers, Bissetta showcased good power in the '24 season, but never demonstrated good contact or consistency. The injury this year certainly played a part in that, but he still regressed either way. I don't think that loss really hurts much. And frankly, the coaches have brought in some great portal hitters that should already have that covered and then some, and ought to by and large be better players than the ones we lost.
TP was the one that was more unexpected. He's certainly one I'd rather still have. He showed power potential, a great arm, and some pitching ability. His ceiling is high, but he's still very raw. As we all saw, he was in the mix, and he came on a bit at the plate at the end of the year. But he certainly wasn't great yet as either a pitcher or a hitter. He hit .224 with a .642 OPS and 0 homers, while pitching to an 8.00 ERA. Again, he's certainly got potential, and I wish he'd stayed. It'll be fascinating to see how he does at Oklahoma State. But I also think the impact of his departure has been somewhat overblown by fans. Maybe he'll go on to be great, but right now at least it's all just potential. Those numbers were not great. So the jury's still out on him.
As for pitching, Mahlstedt and Garris are out of eligibility, but we knew that would be the case before the season. BJ Bailey did also transfer out. I admired his toughness, and he had a great start to the season in the bullpen, elevating himself to a starting role. His first few starts went well, but in his later starts he really began to struggle. All told, he finished with a 5.46 ERA, giving up 65 hits in 61 innings. He likely entered the portal in pursuit of more playing time at a lower level. As far as Chayce Kieck is concerned, I don't want to bash the kid, but as you said, he didn't look good this year. And I saw no real indication that he'd be a guy who'd turn into much of a contributing piece later.
I see where you're coming from about the desperation part, and that was something I'd thought about earlier when that article came out. But I actually do like that more than I dislike it still. At least that way we know that EB isn't just content to stand pat. He's actively committed to bringing in big-time transfer pitchers. And he's not shy about Omaha being the expected goal, regardless of any past failures. I like that. I also don't think it's fair to say he's renting a team. Yes, he's bringing in several transfers, but why not? Most of them have been very good. If you can get big impact players that still fit the culture, why not do it? The goal is to be as good as possible. And he's still got plenty of long-term high school recruits on the team, like Purify, Jarrell, Crighton, McCladdie, Dillard, Castellani, Prather, McGovern, LeGuernic, Bell, Bennett, Moehler, etc. You could make that same defense of Brownell too, I think. You see more transfers by percentage in basketball across the board anyway, so part of that is just the nature of the sport. Also, last year was particularly egregious because of the number of seniors combined with the number of bench pieces and fringe starters who proved to not be good enough.
But long story short, when you hear "Tennessee starting pitcher," Sharman isn't the guy you think of. Having said all that, I do hate to be this negative about a guy who just transferred in. I hope he makes me eat crow this season. At the very least, I think he could have a useful role on the team, just probably not as a starter or as a conventional high-leverage reliever.
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Re: TNET: SEC transfer pitcher commits to Clemson
Jun 29, 2025, 11:56 PM
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Thanks for keeping it real, and keeping me grounded. I could have said some things a lot better. I do like EB and think he's the right coach for Clemson.
The "leaking oil " comment as you eloquently laid out (much appreciated btw) was definitely overreacting. More venting than anything. I totally get that injuries happen and are uncomfortable... but that said, it seems every year we hear how great we're going to be. EB said we have 15 guys that should start but only 9 places... yes, I totally agree he's got to say that. I totally agree he's got to say he's pleased with our starting pitchers. It's coachspeak and I'd disrespect him if he said we suk.
Next year will be 16 years removed from Omaha. Honestly, if we'd have won our regional, lsu probably embarrasses us. I say this, and probably should have said it above. I really want to believe, and record wise, you can make the case that we were good and successful... but imo, we're regressing each year and that breaks my heart. Next year, I'll be 110 all in behind the team.
I don't buy the argument that Clemson can't compete with the upper echelon of the sec. EB was brought in to make us that team. We should absolutely be able to bring in or recruit top talent.
As for the renting comment. I should have clarified that. I get bball is different and Brad's doing a good job adapting to the bball model. I just don't believe we have to go down that route in baseball but it's starting to feel like we're getting desperate to throw a team together and make Omaha so we can all feel better.
No, I have no problem with it taking EB 5 or 6 years to build a long-term baseball model for success ala Dabo.
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Jun 29, 2025, 7:35 AM
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Welcome to Clemson Michael. I give Coach Baluch for trying to get some arms out of the transfer portal. We need pitchers.
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Jun 29, 2025, 8:28 AM
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Sounds like a great signee.
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Jun 29, 2025, 10:56 AM
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Solid addition if you keep your expectations in check. A midweek arm that you hope can get you an out or two with certain matchups on the weekend.
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I read that hes excellent at fielding his postion
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Jun 29, 2025, 12:24 PM
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Particularly when teams try to bunt on him. Moral of the story; don’t squeeze the Sharman.
Sorry thought this was the dad joke thread.
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Re: TNET: SEC transfer pitcher commits to Clemson
Jun 29, 2025, 2:44 PM
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Excellent ! Welcome to the Clemson Family Michael!
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