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All-TigerNet [11936]
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All-In [26479]
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Listen ... Florida had one bad hurricane this year ...
Dec 28, 2022, 9:19 AM
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That has never happened.
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All-TigerNet [10867]
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Wind speeds were 50 mph lower than alleged***
Dec 28, 2022, 5:06 PM
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All-TigerNet [10867]
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Strawman argument. It was a hurricane with a storm surge
Dec 29, 2022, 4:29 PM
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and nobody is disputing that. It was actually about a cat2, not a cat4, based on measurable data.
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Oculus Spirit [80999]
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Cat 2 hurricanes don't do that much damage
Dec 29, 2022, 11:04 PM
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They can't draw that much storm surge.
You seriously have no idea what you are even talking about.
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It's sad how any fall for these "conspiracy" theories
Dec 28, 2022, 9:26 AM
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We're all gonna die!!!
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Oculus Spirit [80999]
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Well, we are.
Dec 28, 2022, 9:30 AM
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Eventually.
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true***
Dec 28, 2022, 10:29 AM
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Re: Climate trouble around the corner...
Dec 28, 2022, 12:01 PM
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I wonder what it’s like living and believing this climate change disaster crap? Really sad.
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Re: Climate trouble around the corner...
Dec 28, 2022, 3:10 PM
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The lefts been pushing an impending climate disaster since at least the 80's. Nothing ever happens yet they get away with it because their followers are morons
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Re: Climate trouble around the corner...
Dec 28, 2022, 8:31 PM
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Just wait til next month.
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I remember the acid rain scare back in the '70s as well as
Dec 29, 2022, 5:03 AM
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the coming ice age due to global cooling. The alarmists were wrong then and are just as wrong today with much of their nonsense. The biggest difference between then and now is that back then rational people were allowed to argue and debate the climate doomsday nonsense. Now that climate change is more about politics than science, having an unbiased rational debate on climate topics is nearly impossible.
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Re: I remember the acid rain scare back in the '70s as well as
Dec 29, 2022, 7:07 AM
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You are exactly right. Just a few decades ago they told us we were going to freeze to death. But sane people were allowed to have questions. Now we are all going to burn up and if you question that you are silenced by the screaming sheep.
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Re: I remember the acid rain scare back in the '70s as well as
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Dec 29, 2022, 10:57 AM
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I'll address you because you're the one on this thread who is reasonable and intelligent and actually open to discussion. And please note I'm not screaming and yelling at you and calling you a "heretic" or a "bad person" or remotely dumb. I very much respect your intelligence. But this is my wheelhouse, much as military matters are yours.
Your take on "acid rain is a hoax" is, sorry, simply 100% not correct and it highlights the damage Fox News - which is in bed with the oil lobby - is actually doing to public discourse.
Acid rain was very real. It was caused mostly by sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide that were largely released by smelters and coal-fired power plants, and it was almost entirely curbed after 1990 because the EPA - which Fox loves to malign - was directed by Congress to enforce a new set of emissions standards in the Clean Air Act and the Acid Rain Program. Industries had to make some fairly simple tweaks to what their factories and plants released by installing "scrubbers", and it made all the difference. It was a provable, demonstrable case of good science followed by successful government action and result. But talking heads like Tucker like to refer to it as "part of the hoax."
They are liars.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190823-can-lessons-from-acid-rain-help-stop-climate-change
Ditto for the vanishing ozone layer. They love smearing that too. That problem was caused by CFC's - mostly in hairspray - and the Montreal Protocol banned those. Guess what? The ozone layer is on track to repair itself by the 2030's in the northern hemisphere and the 2050's in the southern one.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2019/09/1046452
Also, sorry, there are only two sides in the "debate" over climate change. There's 99% of climatologists, and then there's the pseudo-science propagandists who work for ExxonMobile and the Koch Brothers. And even their in-house work confirmed the same results everybody else was getting.
The only real scientific debates remaining are "how much", "how bad", "how fast", and "what can be done"? Also there's plenty of room for argument about energy policy. You may have repeatedly heard me advocating for nuclear and thorium nuclear because there is no other viable way of powering a carbon-free grid, and renewables are not going to get it done regardless of how many good intentions liberals have. So libs had best get over their knee-jerk aversion to "nuclear" real quick, or the lights are going to go out.
But the debate about whether it's happening or not is now only happening among politicians and talking heads. Among actual climatologists, the argument of "is this happening" has long-since been settled. Read any article casting shade on the idea of climate change, look at the sources it cites, and you'll invariably see it's linked to a think tank sponsored by the oil lobby. There is zero other opposition to the idea. Even - privately - at Exxon itself. They are just doing the Big Tobacco thing, and one and all holding up their hands and claiming "there is no evidence cigarettes cause lung cancer."
(I would hope we are not still arguing that!)
And even the oil companies, as I said, know better. It just pays trillions to deny it.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/
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Re: I remember the acid rain scare back in the '70s as well as
Dec 29, 2022, 3:41 PM
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The “one who is reasonable and intelligent?” Oh well, thanks for letting the rest of us hang out
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Re: I remember the acid rain scare back in the '70s as well as
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Dec 30, 2022, 9:47 AM
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Sorry if the characterization offends you. I'm not calling you a bad human being - in fact I think you're probably a salt-of-the-Earth guy in real life, would be a good guy to have a beer with - but you seem...immutably fixed, let's say, in your opinions. Perhaps I've misjudged that. Is there anything in my response you'd care to reasonably discuss? Did you even read it?
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Re: I remember the acid rain scare back in the '70s as well as
Jan 5, 2023, 10:55 AM
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Sorry if the characterization offends you. I'm not calling you a bad human being - in fact I think you're probably a salt-of-the-Earth guy in real life, would be a good guy to have a beer with - but you seem...immutably fixed, let's say, in your opinions. Perhaps I've misjudged that. Is there anything in my response you'd care to reasonably discuss? Did you even read it?
I have a question. What do you think of the allegations that the 'climate science consensus' types fudge the numbers?
I think there's some chicanery there that casts doubt on the claims of proof.
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This is nothing. Just read Tiggity’s
Dec 29, 2022, 11:07 PM
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post and his excitement about potential lockdowns.
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