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TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 10:29 AM
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 10:31 AM
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That’s fine. But I thought he had a different reason a few years ago?
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 10:35 AM
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Probably did but that isnt good for now
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 10:40 AM
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That’s fine. But I thought he had a different reason a few years ago?
If memory serves he was upset that Sammy got all the love. Now it the JCC name. thinking he is just riding the tide at this point. I would also add that the Tillman name on a building should be an issue for anyone who loves Clemson as Tillman was a murdering racist. JCC did own slaves and advocated for slavery since he benefited from it but i see not evidence he was more than a man of his times.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 9:29 PM
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He is not a graduate therefore his opinion means nothing
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 10, 2020, 11:59 AM
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Hopkins got Baptized on the practice field, great player, but did not graduate. Not in the same category of a man as DW4. Nuk already has 3 illegitimate kids. I don't think Calhoun College is affecting his life negatively. I hope things work out for him personally, but off field problems in Houston probably why he got traded. Yale renamed their Calhoun College after a female computer scientist, instead of a U.S. Secretary of State, Senator, Vice President, and Secretary of War. Hopefully, he will graduate and continue to have a successful football career.
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... and yet he took advantage of his scholarship to ...
Jun 9, 2020, 11:04 AM
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... build his body, develop his skills, and showcase his talent in order to receive a fortune from the NFL.
He did not bother to graduate from Clemson. He was not a member of the Calhoun Honors College.
He did not have to choose to attend Clemson on his way to the NFL. But he did.
He chose Clemson in spite of all of the things he says bother him now.
I’m glad he chose to play for Clemson. I wish he’d look at it in the same way
He was good for the program and the program was good for him.
That should be enough.
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Re: ... and yet he took advantage of his scholarship to ...
Jun 9, 2020, 11:26 AM
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He did and now is the time for Clemson and America to do what is right . Do right don't justify the years of wrong that have permeated our society .
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What *is* RIGHT?
Jun 9, 2020, 11:43 AM
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There are no real defined objectives ... just an ever-increasing series of demands.
We’re not coming closer together.
We’re moving further apart.
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Re: What *is* RIGHT?
Jun 9, 2020, 12:26 PM
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Sorry, but when it comes to Tillman Hall (which was Old Main for most of its existence before being renamed during the Jim Crow-Era), it should be renamed. Same with anything associated with Strom Thurmond. Here's a few quotes from good ole Pitchfork Ben Tillman:
"We of the South have never recognized the right of the Negro to govern white men, and we never will. We have never believed him to be the equal of the white man, and we will not submit to his gratifying his lust on our wives and daughters without lynching him." (Speech to the United States Senate)
"We deny, without regard to color, that 'all men are created equal'; it is not true now, and was not true when Jefferson wrote it." (Pitchfork Ben Tillman, South Carolinian (1967), by Francis Butler Simkins)
Sorry, but we really shouldn't have the focal point of our campus be named after a man that despicable. And it was only named after that because during the Jim Crow Era, other schools in SC started allowing black students and we didn't until Harvey Gantt came to campus. Naming Tillman Hall after Pitchfork Ben was a direct shot to black communities in the state to not send their kids to Clemson or try anything there. It's blatantly obvious because the original name of the building was "Old Main" which is what it should be. Rename it back to that or call it Harvey Gantt Hall.
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Being sorry doesn’t answer the question ...
Jun 9, 2020, 12:39 PM
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... where does it all stop?
Answer: it doesn’t.
Many people are okay with the Tillman Hall thing.
But, one demand leads to another and another, each more bold and with less tangible reasoning behind it.
It will not end, it will just get worse.
We’re not helping to bring people together. We’re driving them further apart.
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It stops
Jun 9, 2020, 1:36 PM
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When there is nobody left thinking they are superior to another person b/c of race, gender, religion or sexual preference.
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There won’t be anyone left***
Jun 9, 2020, 2:15 PM
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"Asking where it stops" is something I hear a lot from boome
Jun 9, 2020, 2:29 PM
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boomers who are old enough to have lived through the integration of SC schools.
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Re: What *is* RIGHT?
Jun 9, 2020, 2:17 PM
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Thomas Green Clemson also owned slaves. Should we rename the university?
I am not advocating for keeping Calhoun’s name; however, at a certain point positives and negatives must be weighed. George Washington won the revolution and was our first President. He also owned slaves. So did Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson.
So should owning slaves, or supporting racism during a time where that was normal (whether it should have been or not) invalidate any other contributions a person makes? Should it make them unworthy of any honors they receive? I do not have the answer, but it is a question that requires one.
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Re: What *is* RIGHT?
Jun 13, 2020, 5:18 PM
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Case in point--
Getting rid of John C. Calhoun is not only getting rid of his slave ownership--it's getting rid of all of him, political theory and all, and that really is a shame. Calhoun was the political theorist who came up with the idea of the concurrent majority--the idea of guaranteeing minorities a voice and preventing them from being outnumbered and silenced by a numerical majority. Seems like such an idea could be helpful now.
People will say but he owned slaves and he meant WHITE minorities. I'm sure he did. But that doesn't mean the theory itself couldn't be retooled and used toward the kind of change people are seeking now.
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Re: What *is* RIGHT?
Jun 9, 2020, 7:00 PM
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Here's a couple more --
“I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races … I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be a position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”
“Our republican system was meant for a homogeneous people. As long as blacks continue to live with the whites they constitute a threat to the national life. Family life may also collapse and the increase of mixed breed ######## may some day challenge the supremacy of the white man.”
Oh wait, those are from Abraham Lincoln.
If it's true that Tillman was lynching blacks, then that's obviously disgusting even considering the era, but if we're renaming things because somebody had racist views, then America's got hundreds of thousands of things to rename, probably including 'Clemson'.
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Re: What *is* RIGHT?
Jun 13, 2020, 5:20 PM
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not to mention that Lincoln bought Liberia . . .
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Re: What *is* RIGHT?
Jun 10, 2020, 8:32 AM
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Yet the irony in those who call themselves "African American" when it was the BLACK AFRICAN slave masters, their own people, who sold their ancestors to American plantation owners! Many to this day also continue to express their disdain for this great country, so African Americans identify themselves by 2 countries that instill hurtful feelings and they supposedly hate! By this logic, "African American" must be changed!!
Sounds silly, doesn't it?
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Excellent example!
Jun 9, 2020, 1:10 PM
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“Doing Right” is as always, a matter of perspective.
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Re: Excellent example!
Jun 9, 2020, 2:39 PM
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Doing right in one mans eyes is usually wrong in another's. We must change the way we think and live one day to the next. Changing names on building changes nothing but the name of the bulding!!!
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Re: Excellent example!
Jun 9, 2020, 3:01 PM
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The men who changed Old Main to a Tillman Hall would disagree with you
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Re: ... and yet he took advantage of his scholarship to ...
Jun 9, 2020, 8:25 PM
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No matter what, you can’t change history not should you.
That is what they want, to erase everything. It happened, that is how we have progressed over the years.
People still praise MALCOLM X and he was a huge racist, but we can’t just let the past be the past and leave #### alone.
There are no slaves now, no servants and etc. people are just people.
I’m sick of it being ok to call a whites person a Cracker and everyone is cool.
I’m sick of a white person being murdered by the police and nothing done about it.
At the end of the day we are all people. We should all have each other’s backs, not matter of color. However it seems like it only benefits one group and that’s sick because we are all GODS people.
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Re: ... and yet he took advantage of his scholarship to ...
Jun 9, 2020, 8:25 PM
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No matter what, you can’t change history not should you.
That is what they want, to erase everything. It happened, that is how we have progressed over the years.
People still praise MALCOLM X and he was a huge racist, but we can’t just let the past be the past and leave #### alone.
There are no slaves now, no servants and etc. people are just people.
I’m sick of it being ok to call a whites person a Cracker and everyone is cool.
I’m sick of a white person being murdered by the police and nothing done about it.
At the end of the day we are all people. We should all have each other’s backs, not matter of color. However it seems like it only benefits one group and that’s sick because we are all GODS people.
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Re: ... and yet he took advantage of his scholarship to ...
Jun 9, 2020, 2:14 PM
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Yes, yes, and yes! You have hit the nail on the proverbial head. I am weary of athletes taking advantage of what Clemson has given them and then turn around and say awful things about our school. I am also offended with Hopkins, DeShawn’ and everyone else’s reasoning and wanting to remove any mention of Calhoun and Tillman. My ancestry is descended from JCC. Sorry folks, that’s the way it was then. It’s history and we can’t change it so lets move forward harmoniously and with love.
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Re: ... and yet he took advantage of his scholarship to ...
Jun 9, 2020, 9:10 PM
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Maybe when he decided to attend Clemson he did not understand the history of people like JCC. If players like Hopkins and Watson want to now use their platform to make a change then I am all for it. Community leadership is required to help all in the community.
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Re: ... and yet he took advantage of his scholarship to ...
Jun 9, 2020, 9:10 PM
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Maybe when he decided to attend Clemson he did not understand the history of people like JCC. If players like Hopkins and Watson want to now use their platform to make a change then I am all for it. Community leadership is required to help all in the community.
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Re: ... and yet he took advantage of his scholarship to ...
Jun 9, 2020, 10:39 PM
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He's represented himself and our university well and thinks Clemson should represent itself better. After he left Clemson there was a little bit of bad blood it seemed, but that is long gone and he's been very vocal about supporting the football program in recent years.
Why shouldn't he be able to express his interest in making changes to Clemson that may be important to him? Why does it have to be "well you went here and you didn't say anything then, so shut up now"?
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 2:54 PM
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You mean something like his talent wasn't appreciated. Just Maybe it was his attitude towards the way Morris chose to run his offense, and Morris took exception to Nuks constant complaining about the targets he was getting with a 5 star Sammy Watkins getting targets also. Sammy was a threat to take it to the house any time he was targeted bc Sammy was a much faster receiver!!!
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 3:51 PM
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I seem to remember him saying that he always said Daniel HS because he thought it was motivation for kids coming up in that school to achieve at the highest level. I think he tends to speak whatever way the wind is blowing at the moment. There are a lot of people that tend to do that though.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 10, 2020, 9:08 AM
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His reasons seem to change from time to time. I'm fine with him not talking about Clemson, if he doesn't approve of us now, but we sure didn't hurt his development as a player. I'm over him, frankly.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 11:21 AM
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My whole family grew up in Clemson. That city mean more to me than just one day out the week. https://t.co/5NOZ0KUkoJ
— Deandre Hopkins (@Nukdabomb) October 17, 2016
Also tweeted this in 2016 when asked about it.
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CU Guru [1570]
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 11:22 AM
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Looks like it has been deleted now
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 10:58 AM
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Wonder what they think of George Washington? Curious what DC will be renamed to once they find out..
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Maybe Trading Nuk was a Good Move For Bill O'Brien
Jun 9, 2020, 11:01 AM
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Looks like he already got into DW's head....
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 11:06 AM
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I am finally beginning to understand. I cannot agree with Hopkins more. What Calhoun stood for is offensive, reprehensible and against God.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 11:09 AM
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I am finally beginning to understand. I cannot agree with Hopkins more. What Calhoun stood for is offensive, reprehensible and against God.
Your are applying 2020 morality to the Old South of the 1800's. It's not going to work.
Now if people wanted to erect something now to commemorate Calhoun it would never happen. History is a fickle thing if you don't put it into the proper context. Erase it and you are da.mned to repeat it.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 11:23 AM
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CU_Tigers4life®You are correct: There WAS no morality in the Old South of the 1800s. Why would we now celebrate something/someone who stood for something so reprehensible? Just because it took us this long to figure out its evil does not make it inapplicable.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 11:43 AM
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CU_Tigers4life®You are correct: There WAS no morality in the Old South of the 1800s. Why would we now celebrate something/someone who stood for something so reprehensible? Just because it took us this long to figure out its evil does not make it inapplicable.
Who celebrating Calhoun? I checked the calendar and didn't see a John Calhoun Appreciation day listed....What you are labeling celebration is more accurately a historical artifact. They are not to be erased, they are to be studied and taught about a dark time in American History that show when men were capable of both good things and bad things at the same time.
Do you want the Pyramids at Giza destroyed?
The Tower of London?
The Incan ruins in Peru?
The Ancient Ruins in Rome?
These and many more were sights of unthinkable acts that are historical...
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Not many of them were in SC though***
Jun 9, 2020, 6:38 PM
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 11:07 AM
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I'm glad now that Hopkins won't be playing with Watson.
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Maybe I'm mistaken, but...
Jun 9, 2020, 11:43 AM
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isn't this a bit of a departure compared to the reason he gave a few years ago?
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Which time?***
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His initial reason.
Jun 9, 2020, 1:15 PM
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Everyone jumping on the Calhoun Honors College thing is a bit puzzling to me because unless you were actually in the honors college, students weren't really familiar with it and rarely even heard anything about it. It was a very small unostentatious or unembellished part of campus life for the vast majority of students.
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Re: Maybe I'm mistaken, but...
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All I ever heard was that he did not graduate from Clemson-at least that is what he said. Of course, this is like Bill Cosby's coming out party. One person speaks out and then many do. I would assume as a student athlete maybe he didn't feel comfortable speaking out. He was always very quiet. His words and character came out on the field.One of the big problems is man's history is always full of screw ups.I graduated in the 80's and I was never aware of any of this but I can see where it would be offensive-actually to all of us.I think once something happens and racism is brought up, it, to me,is like someone pointing a finger at me just because I'm white. Somewhere, there needs to be civil discourse where progress is a steady defined goal. All we have is anger which was ignited by that ####### cop(not referring to all police-just this situation at the moment). We need calm and we need thoughtful, non combative ideas for progress. We all-black and white- need to agree that there are points in history we cannot fix. we need to "change the things we can, accept the things we cannot change and have the wisdom to know the difference"
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 11:57 AM
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Does this mean we need to remove the Calhoun mansion in the heart of our campus?
Thankfully the town changed its name from Calhoun to Clemson, South Carolina many years ago.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 12:19 PM
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Exactly....lol
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 12:03 PM
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Short memories. Previously Nuk gave a different answer. He said that he did not reference Clemson because college was a Ponzi scheme.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 12:20 PM
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Sure is a lot of hate for something y'all love so much.
We can't change or erase history because we've learned it's bad. Isn't that the point of history and learning from mistakes?! I don't condone slavery of any kind, but we have to realize these men were living in their time. The world has changed a good bit since the 1800s.
Also, if anyone is bothered by anything a university has or names their buildings/colleges, etc, don't attend! Frankly, Clemson has far more good offerings than a name on a building. Letting this type of situation get in the way of a bigger dream seems ridiculous.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 12:25 PM
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DeAndre Hopkins has never been Clemson material.
And is exactly why when those type of players are done providing entertainment for me at Clemson, I have little interest in their future endeavors
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 12:57 PM
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Does Nuke want the city and school renamed as well? What about Tillman or STI? Does Nuke think Calhoun is the only one who owned slaves, was racist or segregationist? I am not advocating for those institutions but changing names does not change history.
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What if he finds out
Jun 9, 2020, 12:37 PM
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the founder of Nuk pacifier company is racist?
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Hopkins is living up to his nickname.
Jun 9, 2020, 2:46 PM
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He tends to act like a baby when he doesn't get his way.
-He was upset that Sammy got the ball more than he did at Clemson.
-He whined about not getting the ball enough in Houston.
-He complains about a freaking name on Clemson's campus.
Time for DeAndre to grow up and be a man.
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Re: Hopkins is living up to his nickname.
Jun 10, 2020, 9:50 AM
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Dang Judge. I can't believe that your thinking is akin to mine in so many instances. I could not have said it better. I have NO TACT when it comes to some things, but you do.
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And now we get to see how quickly Clemson fans turn on
Jun 9, 2020, 12:54 PM
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two of it's all-time greats. This should put the Clemson family thing to a test.
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Doesn't sound like one of those Greats wants to be in the
Jun 9, 2020, 12:59 PM
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Clemson Family
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Re: And now we get to see how quickly Clemson fans turn on
Jun 13, 2020, 5:29 PM
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I am an alumni and was a huge supporter of DeShaun. I believe he could have beaten Alabama the first time, left to his own devices. But I gotta say, I didn't feel much like family when the BOT jumped to rename the Honors College because two pro football players demanded it.
What about all the graduates of the Honors College and the alumni who came before? How do they fit into the family?
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 1:31 PM
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Man you loved CLEMSON when you played. You knew this program would help in your dream to play in NFL. Okay now that you made it. YOU CAN TRASH CLEMSON '' Maybe we should forget YOU like YOU have forgot CLEMSON'
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 2:44 PM
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 2:51 PM
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why do we continue to get bent out of shape about long gone dead dudes...
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 3:02 PM
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Look at all the ads on this thread. TNet sure does make a lot of money on this sort of thing. Makes you wonder about larger organizations making money off these sorts of stories.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 2:59 PM
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Well, we need to rename Riggs Hall, because it was named after someone who came to Clemson from Auburn!!!
Some people make me sick by their reasoning. History is history; it is what it is and can't be changed.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 3:45 PM
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True, you can’t erase history but it doesn’t mean it has to be honored. Part of German history is hitler and I don’t expect you will find buildings or statues honoring hitler in Germany. Put the likes of Calhoun where he belongs. In the history books, not on a building, or statue or anyplace that would honor his name.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 4:12 PM
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True, you can’t erase history but it doesn’t mean it has to be honored. Part of German history is hitler and I don’t expect you will find buildings or statues honoring hitler in Germany. Put the likes of Calhoun where he belongs. In the history books, not on a building, or statue or anyplace that would honor his name.
Calhoun didn't kill 6 million Jews or 60 million worldwide.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 3:45 PM
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True, you can’t erase history but it doesn’t mean it has to be honored. Part of German history is hitler and I don’t expect you will find buildings or statues honoring hitler in Germany. Put the likes of Calhoun where he belongs. In the history books, not on a building, or statue or anyplace that would honor his name.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 3:20 PM
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why would some HS grad care what my schools Honors College is? Who may this punk call his opinion as said reasoning? His 'reasoning' shall remain 'his' 'opinion' and what I call 'lack of reasoning'. Pay college plays and just watch me not pay this school anything bc it will quickly become just another NFL whih I do not watch especiall since players think it ok to kneel during homage to my United States of America. Sad. I was raised to give respects.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 3:32 PM
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Is this a bot?
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 3:42 PM
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I never knew the people that buildings are named after. I would be Happy with the following changes:
Tillman Hall changed to Righteousness Clock Tower
JCC Honors Changed to Integrity Honors School
Replace other building names with
Fidelity
Glory
Prestige
Merit
Respect
Esteem
Honesty
Ethics
Morality
Principle
Rectitude
Nobility
Decency
Fairness
Justness
Justice
Truthful
Trustworthy
Reliability
Faithful
Fidelity
With my close brush with the minimum 2.0 GPA needed for graduation, rename the graduation Ceremony to:
Thank God Almighty, Free at Last.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 3:49 PM
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The Trustworthy Tigers?
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And if you don't agree, you're racist.
Jun 9, 2020, 3:52 PM
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That's what we are being told today, in 2020.
Disgusting.
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He made a liar out of a lot of y'all who said he didn't have
Jun 9, 2020, 4:04 PM
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beefs with Clemson and that there were simple explanations to why he didn't say Clemson during the intros...You know who you are
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 4:20 PM
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What about Calhoun’s son-in-law that owned slaves - had the name CLEMSON? We changing that too? Changing these names isn’t the answer. No offense to Hopkins and Watson, but if it’s offensive now, it was offensive when they attended Clemson. They have a larger platform to speak on today - in part - because of Clemson. Never was okay to own slaves nor will it ever be okay - sadly it still exists in this world. Changing these names should not be the focus. It implies that my alma mater supported slavery by calling attention to the actions of these men which sadly was commonplace for many whites and some of color during that time in our state. Rather see Hopkins and Watson focus their platform in other areas versus these name changes.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 4:30 PM
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I blame it on the Norman invaders.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 4:33 PM
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Shame on both of you!
As an alumnus if Clemson and a proud graduate, I am appalled that you can have such narrow minded views of the very university that gave you the opportunity to obtain your dreams. You cannot erase history or change it by removing names nor statues of the founding fathers of our university.
It saddens me to think that either of you two are so hate-filled as to choose to use the way of life as it was in their day to dishonor the very men who founded this university.
Slavery ended many years ago. Those men no more chose their fate in life than you or I did.
Before you disrespect our university with this behavior, you should learn your history of it.
I am not condoning slavery, and certainly do not condone police brutality, but you need to realize that not all slave owners were bad people, just like not all people of any generation, color, or background are.
There are bad apples in all bunches.
You should both be thankful to Clemson and it’s founding fathers for the opportunities they have provided for you instead of degrading the university and its founding fathers with hatred.
I for one am embarrassed to know you learned so little and have no respect nor appreciation for what this university has done for you.
Shame on you both!
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 5:06 PM
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I don’t appreciate the tone and demands of these two players, particularly DeAndre. I really don’t care if he can catch a football. He continues to disrespect the university in my opinion. I’m really don’t think he felt oppressive when he attended Clemson
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 5:00 PM
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Isn’t Clemson a wonderful place?! A place where, as MLK dreamed, the sons of former slaves and slave-owners, can unite in victory, opportunity and purpose the gridiron and class room. Or we can just ruin it for all by dwelling on the negative, which only affects us, if we are weak and let it. God help us!
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I'm done with pro sports
Jun 9, 2020, 5:47 PM
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maybe they can get funded some other way than from 'privileged' people.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 5:59 PM
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Deandre dislikes clemson so much that sure stopped him from showing up to the natty in '18 and the players reunion three months ago.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 6:33 PM
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One of the arguments I see a bunch on here against changing the name of Tillman is "it won't change history". That argument is both true and completely beside the point. The point is that there are people who still think like Tillman did. Lots. If you need examples, scroll back through this thread. The point is that we need to do EVERYTHING WE CAN to show that thinking like Tillman did is no longer OK in America. Yes, changing the name of a building is a ridiculously small step but its a step in the right direction so stop standing in the way of those who want to take that step.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 6:47 PM
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The name of his political party should be abolished as well.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 7:07 PM
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Another argument I see on here is "where will it end". This is a "slippery slope" argument. We can't do X because that could lead to Y or even Z. It's a good sign that there isn't any other good argument against doing X.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 9, 2020, 11:19 PM
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This thread is pretty embarrassing for Clemson.
I'm personally conflicted on the "don't erase history" vs "this is disrespectful to black students" debate, but regardless of where you fall there are valid points for both sides. You don't have to agree with what Nuk believes--in fact you have the right to vehemently disagree--but many of you didn't address his statements and instead attacked him:
"He is not a graduate therefore his opinion means nothing "
"I'm glad now that Hopkins won't be playing with Watson."
"DeAndre Hopkins has never been Clemson material."
"He tends to act like a baby when he doesn't get his way."
"why would some HS grad care what my schools Honors College is? Who may this punk call his opinion as said reasoning"
People complain about who's ruining the country these days: Is it the conservatives or the liberals? The answer is it's the people on both sides of the aisle who act like the people above. People who don't just disagree with opinions, but dislike any person who holds that opinion. It's sad to see so many act so childish.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 10, 2020, 10:34 AM
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Very well said--thank you.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 10, 2020, 9:19 AM
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My philosophy has always been loosely based upon Voltaire; While I may not agree with a word you say, I shall defend to my death your right to say it. I spent 25 years in the military defending that philosophy. Apparently the moderator(s) of this board do not agree...
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Maybe we should take down all Buffalo Soldiers monuments
Jun 10, 2020, 4:48 PM
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Buffalo Soldiers were an all black regiment that slaughtered Native American Indian men, women and children.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 11, 2020, 6:10 AM
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Former Clemson player,or not someone needs to inform DeAndre(and anyone else who doesn't know this)
that our Nations Capital is also named after a former slave owner.
Sorry "Nuke",but you don't get a passing grade on this one.
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Re: TNET: DeAndre Hopkins explains reasoning for not saying Clemson in player intros
Jun 11, 2020, 6:34 AM
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You can't apply 2020 morality to people who lived in the 1800's. It just doesn't work that way.
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Thomas Green Clemson owned slaves too... is "Clemson" next?***
Jun 11, 2020, 5:24 PM
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