Re: Allies usually get down in the trenches to show solidarity

Thinking of the 58K lost Americans and probably several million Vietnamese

rons1® · 2025-05-01T01:11:09.200Z

lost in a war, I think we should have stayed out of. April 30th 1975- 50 yrs ago! I still remember seeing on TV the helicopters taking off from the U.S. embassy in Saigon. The “Best and the Brightest” had this one way wrong. This was a tragic waste of life and resources.

Vietnam is also a weak analogy.

Both Afghanistan and Vietnam were quasi-countries which were terrible environments for modern forces (such as Soviet Union and USA, respectively). The ‘enemy’ was hard to distinguish from regular civilians; this was guerrilla war.

Neither Afghanistan nor Vietnam (at the time of the Vietnam War) represented geographies that citizens of the S.Union and USA, respectively, would want to settle. The value of Afghanistan and Vietnam to ‘modern’ powers were as quasi-colonies; to reduce further the interest by the USA in Vietnam, we had largely abandoned Imperialism as an American economic policy as of 1960’s.

Finally, and arguably most important, the logistics challenges (especially from the mid-1960’s through the 1980’s) was terrible for both S.Union and USA to conduct a modern (highly mechanized war with dominant air power to support the ground forces) war.

Ukraine, in the other hand, is a modern country that is desirable as a territory. The war is not being conducted as a guerilla war; it is being conducted by conventional (I.e., soldiers are easily distinguished from civilians) war. Logistics in Ukraine are easy, except during the rasputitsa (season of mud) time after the winter thaw and, late in the year, shortly before the winter freeze.

A better war analogy to the Ukraine / Russia war would be the American Civil War. Ukraine (the ‘underdog’) vs Russia (the ‘stronger’ entity) being analogous to the Confederacy vs the Union.

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No Nixon fan here - but am in agreement with your Nixon/ China / Vietnam points

May 1, 2025, 8:32 PM

Nixon inherited a mess with Vietnam War.

He managed to extract us from Vietnam, although the optics were ugly for America and, at the time, Nixon looked weak to delusional pro-war Americans who were propagandized in HS to believe that the Good Guys always win, and that whoever America deemed to be Good Guys also always won. Vietnam was an event of mass psychological realignment for Americans.

To your P.R.China point, it is now de rigueur to say that the Nixon / Kissinger relations-normalization with PRC was bad because it set us on our current awkward position as being economically and militarily challenged by PRC. Such thinking as is too common among many Americans of today.

Back in the 1970’s, PRC was already a nuclear power. While PRC was not a huge nuclear threat to the USA back in the 1979’s, they were a threat to civilized nations like Japan and S.Korea. PRC was an eventual military threat to us. One day, they were likely to be a military rival that had acquired the ability to hit America with a nuclear weapon. Unless America adopted a foreign policy of preemptively destroying an unfriendly foreign country in its entirety (which would have required us to nuke PRC), then we needed to take the position that talk8ng to our rival nations was better than going to war with them.

Instead of not talking to PRC until they renounced their support for N.Korea, Nixon and Kissinger chose dialogue.

It was the right policy then, same as it is now. (Our problems with PRC now stem from a litany of short term expedient policies starting with G.H.W.Bush and for each subsequent administration.)

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Thinking of the 58K lost Americans and probably several million Vietnamese

The libs of Tnet want to send your kids to Ukraine to die***

Why dont you name someone on here who has

He can't and he won't, he's just an enormous

Re: Why dont you name someone on here who has

Have a source with Biden or Kamala saying they want

RTD where you at?

The similarities are there, and I think any involvement of U.S. military

Re: The similarities are there, and I think any involvement of U.S. military

You are absolutely lying***

Which lib on here said that...or are you just FOS?***

SImple math ... when Ukraine runs out of soldiers ...

Look, this isn't that hard

Allies usually get down in the trenches to show solidarity

That does some time happen, true

sooo .... delay the inevitable ? Is that the goal ?***

Re: That does some time happen, true

True, but Russia is our enemy and they are 100% in the wrong here, and

Re: True, but Russia is our enemy and they are 100% in the wrong here, and

Nope.***

Re: True, but Russia is our enemy and they are 100% in the wrong here, and

Yep.***