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Orange Blooded [2669]
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No.***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:16 AM
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Re: Is this fascist?
Dec 7, 2021, 9:22 AM
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I don't get it. Are you upset that they're briefing the press to try and change optics (you know, doing their jobs) or upset that the press reported on the briefings (also doing their jobs)?
If you can't see the difference between that and a sitting President saying "only believe what I say, ignore anything else" you've had too much kool-aid.
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Change optics. That's real pretty. Explain that in english.***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:25 AM
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Optics in politics is how things look from the outside in.
Dec 7, 2021, 9:30 AM
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Interchangeable phrases for "improving optics" would be "changing the narrative," or "rebranding." Often, however, these are superficial changes, and not indicative of any true policy shift.
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So, 'mostly peaceful' would be am example? Or 'a car drove
Dec 7, 2021, 9:35 AM
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into parade watchers'. Like that?
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Correct. "Police involved shooting" is another common one.***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:36 AM
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Right. So, if truth is the goal, and the way truth is
Dec 7, 2021, 2:15 PM
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communicated is use of words to transmit observations, and the way observations are known to be that rather than narratives is the existence of an independent press to turn observations into words, how is a politician working with that press to "change the optics" a part of truth? If that process is known to be a primary tool of fascism, how is this not that?
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Both do. Pick either and explain it to me in this context.***
Dec 7, 2021, 2:16 PM
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propoganda, not fascism***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:22 AM
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Re: Is this fascist?
Dec 7, 2021, 9:24 AM
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Ok cool. So it sounds like what was fascist for Trump is not fascist for Biden. seems like the definition of fascism changes based on who is in the white house.
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Maybe the original definition was wrong.***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:30 AM
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Can you imagine the fascism if Trump had forced private
Dec 7, 2021, 9:32 AM
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businesses to mandate covid vaccines? We'd literally be Nazi Germany.
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FACTS***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:39 AM
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Even if they had, it wouldn't negate my point
Dec 7, 2021, 10:06 AM
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I look at the current crop of Democrats and many Republicans as more Bolshevik than Nazi, anyway.
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You can't possibly actually be this obtuse.***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:35 AM
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Re: You can't possibly actually be this obtuse.***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:45 AM
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They are.
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Re: You can't possibly actually be this obtuse.***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:51 AM
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Well your ####### constantly called trump a fascist.
Is controlling the media narrative like in this instance and the hunter Biden lap top story not fascist? I'm just trying to be consistent here. Something you know nothing abkut
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he does consistenly call people racists. so theres that***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:55 AM
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Is Biden threatening the media under punishment of the law
Dec 7, 2021, 9:57 AM
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with what to report? If yes, then it is fascist. If not, then is your standard comms department operation.
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PR.... Propaganda Relations.***
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Is this similar to Hannity tucking Trump into bed every
Dec 7, 2021, 9:30 AM
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night on the phone? Or nah?
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It's not overly shocking...
Dec 7, 2021, 9:34 AM
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That you think media leaders and White House officials having conversations together to come to a better understanding is somehow on the same level as a wannabe despot trying to label all of the media as the enemy of the people to turn the citizenry against it. Discerning the difference between the two takes just a little bit of critical thinking.
And yes, Trump taking that tactic is playbook fascism.
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This reads like they are colluding with major media outlets
Dec 7, 2021, 9:39 AM
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to reshape their propaganda to the administrations liking, since they were "unhappy" with the current coverage. Seems very soviet, which shouldn't be a surprise coming from this administration.
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This is basic PR from the White House.
Dec 7, 2021, 9:42 AM
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The issue, if there is one, is with the media. Are they printing verbatim what the White House is telling them, or will they listen but report independently?
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Given that they say meetings with media to reshape their
Dec 7, 2021, 9:46 AM
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coverage to a more favorable one for the administrations have been productive, I'd assume they're doing what they're told.
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Kinda seems they'd keep it quiet if...
Dec 7, 2021, 9:47 AM
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It was a sinister endeavor.
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Re: Kinda seems they'd keep it quiet if...
Dec 7, 2021, 9:57 AM
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It was a sinister endeavor.
So you are saying that if Trump "worked behind the scenes with the media to reshape coverage of the economy and inflation" you would be okay with that?
It is an anonymous source, so it's kind of hard to believe, but I know how Much you anti-trumpers love anonymous sources!
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Trump did do exactly this. And I have the same opinion of it
Dec 7, 2021, 10:02 AM
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as I do with Biden. Outlets that bought into the WH spin are hacks. Those that remained objective and neutral are trustworthy. It's why I don't watch OAN, and why I don't watch CNN.
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Re: Trump did do exactly this. And I have the same opinion of it
Dec 8, 2021, 5:16 PM
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admit it. you don't watch CNN because Cuomo is gone and they are left only with the master bater Toobin and boned up the a$$ Don Lemon
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Saying the meetings are productive is also PR, and should
Dec 7, 2021, 9:49 AM
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not be taken as fact. What does productive mean? Does it mean they weren't immediately laughed out of the room? Maybe. Does it mean the media agreed to collude together to regurgitate every they were told? Maybe. It's a meaningless comment from a source that is unreliable. Letting it rustle your jimmies is unnecessary.
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I guess we'll find out moving forward if the media coverage
Dec 7, 2021, 9:55 AM
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suddenly pivots to economic sunshine and rainbows. I won't be surprised when/if it does.
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I wouldn't be shocked either. But that's a problem with
Dec 7, 2021, 9:58 AM
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media corruption, not the WH comms team doing the same job as every other administration has done.
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I don't doubt it.
Dec 7, 2021, 10:22 AM
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But how the media reports it is a media bias problem, not indicative of some fascist intent.
The act of the FTC itself, however, is another story.
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Re: Given that they say meetings with media to reshape their
Dec 7, 2021, 9:51 AM
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Why would you assume that?
The proof is in the pudding. They can "work to reshape" but media companies are independent entities and they'll ultimately do what they wanna...and leaning on the media tends to be a great way to ensure you get negative coverage. Historically the press has never liked being told what to say. I certainly wouldn't.
The actual truth about the "state of our economy" is decidedly mixed. Gas prices are bad. Inflation is bad. Job creation was meh in November but surged hugely the month before that. Stocks are hot-and-cold right now, the big ones are doing good, the small ones generally poorly. Lot of mixed signals all over the place and no doubt COVID has hampered the recovery but generally the overall news is fair-to-decent, not the shipwreck the conservative media is claiming.
I think they'd like to control the ground rules for defining "what is a good economy", but it's definitely up in the air if the press is going to listen. My guess is it'll have limited if any effect in reality. The MSM has always been a herd of cats, good luck getting them all rowing in the same direction.
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If the past couple of years have told us anything, it's that
Dec 7, 2021, 10:02 AM
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most MSM outlets will walk in lock step with the current Democrat narrative/agenda. It's demonstrably true. We've seen it over and over and over again.
Our supply chain/mfg is walking a knife edge right now, if you think the overall news is currently fair to decent you're out of touch. We're a gnats ### away from major, major problems.
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The past few decades have told us this.
Dec 7, 2021, 10:03 AM
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This is nothing new.
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It really kicked into high gear with the riots IMO
Dec 7, 2021, 10:07 AM
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They kind of dropped the mask and stopped pretending.
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I'd agree with that.
Dec 7, 2021, 10:15 AM
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But again, I just don't see the point in griping about it.
I hide new sources from my Google News feed that are crapshoots (NYT, in particular). I don't watch any MSM channels. Most of the news I get comes from a well manicured Twitter following from people I trust and know to be objective.
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That's all well and good, but a sizable portion of our
Dec 7, 2021, 10:26 AM
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population still takes what they say at face value. The Rittenhouse trial is a good example, how many people legitimately thought he shot black people? Many probably still do. You can only control what you do as an individual, but I still think it's important to point out the bias and inaccuracies. If nobody does, democracy dies in darkness lulz.
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I suppose I agree with that.
Dec 7, 2021, 10:31 AM
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And, I am guilty of the same principle as well with going bare knuckles against any hint of Q propaganda.
I suppose the only thing I take umbrage with are people like OP whose only true objective with such posts is scratching a psychological itch with the emotional outrage.
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i think the point should be
Dec 7, 2021, 9:43 AM
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if a Pub President, say Bush (cause Trump cause TDS), did this to get them to change all their narratives, he'd be laughed out of the building by the media.
A Lib President, ya, whatever we can do to help.
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You don't think Bush had staff that met with media outlets
Dec 7, 2021, 9:49 AM
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outside of televised press conferences? This is likely a pretty common practice. It's up to the media outlets to report facts and truth. If they change a narrative wholesale because an Administration encouraged them to do so, that's an issue. Is there evidence of this happening?
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sure, I'm sure they TRIED. That is the difference
Dec 7, 2021, 9:57 AM
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the 99.99% liberal media complying with a dem. And then laughing their ##### off with a pub.
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Are you just now realizing there's a liberal bias in MSM?***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:59 AM
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uh, no? But look below at 19b's post
Dec 7, 2021, 10:15 AM
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I'm sure 19, i'll give you 98.999%. I compromised.
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Yes, look below, and answer my question, please.***
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Re: Your lifelong estimate of 99.9% of media being uber-liberal
Dec 7, 2021, 10:01 AM
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They are not.
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Reconcile this then.
Dec 7, 2021, 10:42 AM
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On one hand, you like to brag about how FOX has more viewers than CNN, MSNBC, and whoever else, COMBINED. On the OTHER hand, all of those combined networks, with less than 50% of total viewers in the US, somehow own and control 99.9% of "the media".
Same with internet content, but let's start with news channels first, and we'll work our way through. Please, explain the math and show your work.
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Don't forget conservative talk radio, as well as Rogan.***
Dec 7, 2021, 10:44 AM
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99.9%!
Dec 7, 2021, 10:46 AM
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Don't believe it? YOU'RE DELUSIONAL!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!
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you do know media involves more than
Dec 7, 2021, 10:56 AM
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nbc, abc, cbs, msnbc, cnn, vice, .....
It also involves, uh, 99% of newspaper across the country. Add in the biggest newspapers in the world, washpo, nytimes.
Anything these media's decide is Breaking News. They can do it 24/7 and its seems like life is coming to an end. See your Trump Russian hoax for 3 yrs. 3 yrs of 24/7 breaking news.
Meanwhile, nothing on Hunter biden except a few clips everyone once in a blue moon.
Fox could do a 24/7 news coverage of Hunter and it wouldn't move the needle on anything perspective wise.
you get all the other channels doing it on Trump, and its HUGE. Even tho its a total lie and conspiracy theory. But its treated as fact.
So you have FOX vs every other tv channel, newspaper, colleges, all TV pundite, celebrities, late night shows, and now censorship by our new form of commication, Social networks.
So ya, 99.99% of everything is controlled by the libs.
But I dont expect you to agree at all. and make excuses. Everyone knows this is true, but you
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So what are you saying...
Dec 7, 2021, 11:09 AM
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That 99.9% of the mainstream media is controlled by liberals, or it is less than that because conservative alternative media is wildly ineffective so it makes it seem like 99.9% of the media is controlled by liberals. Both can't be true.
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You have an absolutely skewed view of what media is,
Dec 7, 2021, 11:18 AM
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what outlets it is comprised of, and what market shares those outlets have. For as much as you accuse others of TDS, I'm fairly certain your sensitivity to anything negative being said about him causes you to identify the entire world as being against you and your views.
Let's employ some logic here. Slightly less than half the country voted for Trump (of the voting population that consumes political media). Are you contending that they get their news from the 99.9% of liberal sources...because they're stupid and don't know those outlets are liberal? Because they have no other choice? Where do you get your news from? The .1%? What outlets make up that 1/1000th of our country's media? Is it Breitbart with nearly 50M unique views over the past 6 months? Is it Rogan, with 11M listeners per episode? Is it Tucker Carlson's exponentially higher rated show than anything the 99.9% can put forward?
Your math is remedial if you actually believe this. Tell us where you get your news from since you know better than to trust the 99.9%.
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Whenever someone says "99.9 percent" or "99 percent"
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They are 100 percent of the time making up that stat with absolutely no way to prove it.
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It's not really unusual...
Dec 7, 2021, 9:44 AM
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For any government agency or business to meet with the media if they don't like how they are perceived and try to have open dialogue about it. Doesn't necessarily mean the media will comply, and it certainly isn't comparable to what Trump did.
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Given the kid glove treatment most of the media gives the
Dec 7, 2021, 9:50 AM
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Biden administration, we all know they'll comply. Stalin would be proud of us.
I'm trying to think of an instance in the Bush or Obama admin where they started having meetings with major media in an effort to reshape their reporting because they didn't like the way they were covering something. Maybe it happened, I dunno.
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The media has a liberal bias. The sky is blue.
Dec 7, 2021, 9:53 AM
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Who is John Galt?
Getting worked up over media bias is a dog howling at the moon. We know it exists. It is undeniable. And it has been this way for decades. Why is it a shock still?
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It's not a shock, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be pointed
Dec 7, 2021, 10:05 AM
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out at every turn. Especially since many want to still pretend they're unbiased bastions of truth.
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Fair enough. I just don't see any point to it.
Dec 7, 2021, 10:11 AM
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A far more effective method is turning off the TV.
Same principle with MAGA griping about social media. The most baller move Trump could have made was give Twitter the finger by deleting his account and taking MAGA with him. Instead, he got himself banned, and went out screaming like a wimp. Now, MAGA wants to use government force to regulate social media, which puts them on the same level as Marxists.
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I was once mocked for saying the far left
Dec 7, 2021, 10:22 AM
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antifascist faction and far right crowd were basically the same people who wanted the same things, they just had varying flavors of social ideology. I guess someone else agrees.
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Buddy...that's the loudest tune I've been singing for the
Dec 7, 2021, 10:28 AM
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last few years.
Today's MAGA has more in common with ANTIFA than Reagan conservatives. Instead of dividing political tribes by partisan lines, a far more effective measure is how these groups view government power. Popservatives (populist conservatives), like progressives, believe government power is an effective tool for reaching their agenda. The only they ANTIFA and MAGA disagree upon is what that agenda looks like. I'll take an old school "Fear the Man" hippie any day over a red-hat wearing "Storm the Capitol" nutjob.
You might enjoy this article from my absolute favorite Clemson professor: https://americanmind.org/features/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-pajama-boy-nietzscheans/
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Re: Buddy...that's the loudest tune I've been singing for the
Dec 7, 2021, 11:23 AM
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That's a really good article, and I agree with almost all of it.
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If we keep walking down this road, we'll get there
Dec 7, 2021, 10:14 AM
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We're told all of the time how dangerous 'misinformation is', a danger to democracy even. It's just a hop, skip, and a jump from that becoming a national security threat.
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I have to laugh at this board sometimes, man
Dec 7, 2021, 11:13 AM
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We keep hearing about all these warnings of march to socialism/communism, and the example here is... well, just the WH PR staff doing their jobs and meeting with the press. That doesn't touch any tenet of socialism at all.
But when Trump's actions that came parallel to past fascist history and modeled the definition of the ideology, we just got a Sheila Broflowski "WHAT WHAT WHAT?!" out of his apologists and supporters here.
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The obsession with social 'equity', canceling of wrong think
Dec 7, 2021, 11:32 AM
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weaponization of FBI/IRS against political opponents, selective enforcement of the law....It's all very soviet like. I just finished reading Gulag Archipelago and the parallels between then and what we see now in this country are uncanny. We aren't rounding people up for expressing negative opinions of govt leadership yet, but when you look at some of the stuff the Jan 6th commission is doing it's not crazy to think we're not far from it.
I also think the point stands that if Trump/Republicans had engaged in half of the authoritarian behavior that the Biden admin and Democrats engage in, on both a state and federal level, media and everyone would be losing their minds over it.
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Here is my thing, he gets kid glove treatment
Dec 7, 2021, 12:15 PM
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all the while having the worst approval ratings of any 1st year President. That is what is disturbing. The amount of hoops the media and Liberals are willing to make to put lipstick on a pig.
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Re: It's not really unusual...
Dec 7, 2021, 10:03 AM
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For any government agency or business to meet with the media if they don't like how they are perceived and try to have open dialogue about it. Doesn't necessarily mean the media will comply, and it certainly isn't comparable to what Trump did.
What did Trump do to the media?
Is he not allowed to call out the insane amount of lies and hoaxes?
Would you have a glowing review of the media if they peddled false stories about you and your family constantly?
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Trump's call to weaken 1A protections of the media by
Dec 7, 2021, 10:13 AM
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wanting to overturn Sullivan was pretty #### fascist and anti-American.
But calling out the media for liberal bias and unfair reporting was fine with me, and well deserved.
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Re: It's not really unusual...
Dec 7, 2021, 10:05 AM
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For any government agency or business to meet with the media if they don't like how they are perceived and try to have open dialogue about it. Doesn't necessarily mean the media will comply, and it certainly isn't comparable to what Trump did.
96% of the media was negative toward trump
Catahoila: "derp Trump is trying to control the media narrative fascist!!!"
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JFC...
Dec 7, 2021, 10:06 AM
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Can you get all of your thoughts into one reply for once?
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Re: JFC...
Dec 7, 2021, 10:28 AM
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Can you get all of your thoughts into one reply for once?
I thought you were taking a break from this board? Didn't last long did it? maybe find a hobby other than being a pathetic troll.
You didn't even need to respond to this thread... I knew your viewpoint. Everything trump did was bad and fascist and when Biden does the same ####, it's not.
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OH YOU TOTALLY OWNED THAT LIB. LOL!!!! #WWGOWGA***
Dec 7, 2021, 10:33 AM
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Re: OH YOU TOTALLY OWNED THAT LIB. LOL!!!! #WWGOWGA***
Dec 7, 2021, 11:20 AM
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He was the one that started the insults first. That is his MO.
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Disagree. I know Cata to be a thoughtful, respectful gent***
Dec 7, 2021, 11:28 AM
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Re: Disagree. I know Cata to be a thoughtful, respectful gent***
Dec 7, 2021, 11:53 AM
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Wow
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what an arsehole.***
Dec 7, 2021, 1:10 PM
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What is it that you think the WH Communications....
Dec 7, 2021, 10:37 AM
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office and press relations does exactly?
Why is it news that the WH is trying to shape news coverage and that they're providing briefings to the end?
This the oddest piece of "news" I've seen in a while.
And I saw other posts below claiming "if a Pub WH did this...", etc... Give me a break...you don't think the Bush WH did intimate briefings with the press on things....like Afghanistan and Iraq innovations, war on terrorism, etc... Heck there were a big number of media embedded with troops with the intent to shape the coverage.
With all of the stupid stuff being done my the Biden admin and the dems in Congress, why in the world try to make this as an issue? Is it just an obvious ignorance?
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Re: What is it that you think the WH Communications....
Dec 7, 2021, 10:39 AM
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"With all of the stupid stuff being done my the Biden admin and the dems in Congress, why in the world try to make this as an issue?"
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Re: What is it that you think the WH Communications....
Dec 7, 2021, 11:15 AM
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With all of the stupid stuff being done my the Biden admin and the dems in Congress, why in the world try to make this as an issue? Is it just an obvious ignorance?
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Re: What is it that you think the WH Communications....
Dec 7, 2021, 11:24 AM
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I think it's news that they are holding secret meetings with press because they want to shape the way their performance is portrayed by the media.
Don't they hold press briefings every day? Why do they need secret briefings with the media?
I also think it's important that big tech and mainstream media have censored certain news stories to protect the administration such as the hunter Biden lap top story.
If trump did any of this the crazy kind would be screaming. Just hypocrisy, that's all.
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So you are a mad about something that literally is so
Dec 7, 2021, 11:29 AM
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commonplace they have an entire industry built around it?
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This is a rhetorical question. No need to respond.***
Dec 7, 2021, 11:30 AM
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Re: So you are a mad about something that literally is so
Dec 7, 2021, 12:03 PM
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I was not aware that administrations have secret meetings with actual news anchors and reporters because to why are unhappy with how they are covering them.
This is concerning if it is truly is commonplace. I would much prefer that the administration tout their accomplishments in their daily press briefings rather than have secret meetings with news anchors. That's just me though.
If trump did this, most of the vocal anti trumpers would have blown a gasket. That is a fact.
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Re: So you are a mad about something that literally is so
Dec 7, 2021, 12:18 PM
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Lordy you love your false equivalencies.
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Trump used Hannity and OAN as his personal mouthpieces, that
Dec 7, 2021, 1:21 PM
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with 100% certainty came with pre-planning on issues covered and how the interviews would progress. Go ahead and deny this. I want to see the depths at which your brain will turn itself off to promote a narrative you know to be false.
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Private, but not secret...
Dec 7, 2021, 1:22 PM
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No more "secret" than trips to the restroom in the White House. They're not reported on for the same reason...it's an every day thing.
I think the "news" the person was trying to relay in the linked article is what the administration is focusing on in these meetings right now, not that meetings were happening.
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You're meeting him way more than halfway there.***
Dec 7, 2021, 1:24 PM
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of course it is...it just makes the original post...
Dec 7, 2021, 1:21 PM
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and those saying "what if Trump did this" all the more, well, revealing I guess.
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No, I would assume every administration does this
Dec 7, 2021, 12:11 PM
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all the time. It would be "fascist" maybe if they were somehow coercing newsmakers to say certain things.
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I didn't address the comparison to President Trump
Dec 7, 2021, 12:16 PM
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because I don't understand it. Wouldn't it be more useful to ask whether or not it was "fascist" when President Trump's administration did the same thing (I hope they did, anyway), not when he did something completely different?
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Yes, obviously***
Dec 7, 2021, 2:42 PM
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