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Orange Blooded [2669]
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No.***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:16 AM
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Re: Is this fascist?
Dec 7, 2021, 9:22 AM
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I don't get it. Are you upset that they're briefing the press to try and change optics (you know, doing their jobs) or upset that the press reported on the briefings (also doing their jobs)?
If you can't see the difference between that and a sitting President saying "only believe what I say, ignore anything else" you've had too much kool-aid.
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Change optics. That's real pretty. Explain that in english.***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:25 AM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Optics in politics is how things look from the outside in.
Dec 7, 2021, 9:30 AM
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Interchangeable phrases for "improving optics" would be "changing the narrative," or "rebranding." Often, however, these are superficial changes, and not indicative of any true policy shift.
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So, 'mostly peaceful' would be am example? Or 'a car drove
Dec 7, 2021, 9:35 AM
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into parade watchers'. Like that?
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Rock Defender [54]
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Correct. "Police involved shooting" is another common one.***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:36 AM
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Right. So, if truth is the goal, and the way truth is
Dec 7, 2021, 2:15 PM
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communicated is use of words to transmit observations, and the way observations are known to be that rather than narratives is the existence of an independent press to turn observations into words, how is a politician working with that press to "change the optics" a part of truth? If that process is known to be a primary tool of fascism, how is this not that?
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110%er [7210]
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Both do. Pick either and explain it to me in this context.***
Dec 7, 2021, 2:16 PM
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propoganda, not fascism***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:22 AM
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Re: Is this fascist?
Dec 7, 2021, 9:24 AM
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Ok cool. So it sounds like what was fascist for Trump is not fascist for Biden. seems like the definition of fascism changes based on who is in the white house.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Maybe the original definition was wrong.***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:30 AM
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Can you imagine the fascism if Trump had forced private
Dec 7, 2021, 9:32 AM
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businesses to mandate covid vaccines? We'd literally be Nazi Germany.
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CU Medallion [73569]
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FACTS***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:39 AM
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Even if they had, it wouldn't negate my point
Dec 7, 2021, 10:06 AM
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I look at the current crop of Democrats and many Republicans as more Bolshevik than Nazi, anyway.
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You can't possibly actually be this obtuse.***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:35 AM
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Re: You can't possibly actually be this obtuse.***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:45 AM
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They are.
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Re: You can't possibly actually be this obtuse.***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:51 AM
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Well your ####### constantly called trump a fascist.
Is controlling the media narrative like in this instance and the hunter Biden lap top story not fascist? I'm just trying to be consistent here. Something you know nothing abkut
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he does consistenly call people racists. so theres that***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:55 AM
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Is Biden threatening the media under punishment of the law
Dec 7, 2021, 9:57 AM
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with what to report? If yes, then it is fascist. If not, then is your standard comms department operation.
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PR.... Propaganda Relations.***
Dec 9, 2021, 12:44 AM
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Is this similar to Hannity tucking Trump into bed every
Dec 7, 2021, 9:30 AM
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night on the phone? Or nah?
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It's not overly shocking...
Dec 7, 2021, 9:34 AM
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That you think media leaders and White House officials having conversations together to come to a better understanding is somehow on the same level as a wannabe despot trying to label all of the media as the enemy of the people to turn the citizenry against it. Discerning the difference between the two takes just a little bit of critical thinking.
And yes, Trump taking that tactic is playbook fascism.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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This reads like they are colluding with major media outlets
Dec 7, 2021, 9:39 AM
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to reshape their propaganda to the administrations liking, since they were "unhappy" with the current coverage. Seems very soviet, which shouldn't be a surprise coming from this administration.
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Rock Defender [54]
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This is basic PR from the White House.
Dec 7, 2021, 9:42 AM
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The issue, if there is one, is with the media. Are they printing verbatim what the White House is telling them, or will they listen but report independently?
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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Given that they say meetings with media to reshape their
Dec 7, 2021, 9:46 AM
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coverage to a more favorable one for the administrations have been productive, I'd assume they're doing what they're told.
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Kinda seems they'd keep it quiet if...
Dec 7, 2021, 9:47 AM
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It was a sinister endeavor.
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Re: Kinda seems they'd keep it quiet if...
Dec 7, 2021, 9:57 AM
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It was a sinister endeavor.
So you are saying that if Trump "worked behind the scenes with the media to reshape coverage of the economy and inflation" you would be okay with that?
It is an anonymous source, so it's kind of hard to believe, but I know how Much you anti-trumpers love anonymous sources!
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Trump did do exactly this. And I have the same opinion of it
Dec 7, 2021, 10:02 AM
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as I do with Biden. Outlets that bought into the WH spin are hacks. Those that remained objective and neutral are trustworthy. It's why I don't watch OAN, and why I don't watch CNN.
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Re: Trump did do exactly this. And I have the same opinion of it
Dec 8, 2021, 5:16 PM
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admit it. you don't watch CNN because Cuomo is gone and they are left only with the master bater Toobin and boned up the a$$ Don Lemon
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Saying the meetings are productive is also PR, and should
Dec 7, 2021, 9:49 AM
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not be taken as fact. What does productive mean? Does it mean they weren't immediately laughed out of the room? Maybe. Does it mean the media agreed to collude together to regurgitate every they were told? Maybe. It's a meaningless comment from a source that is unreliable. Letting it rustle your jimmies is unnecessary.
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I guess we'll find out moving forward if the media coverage
Dec 7, 2021, 9:55 AM
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suddenly pivots to economic sunshine and rainbows. I won't be surprised when/if it does.
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I wouldn't be shocked either. But that's a problem with
Dec 7, 2021, 9:58 AM
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media corruption, not the WH comms team doing the same job as every other administration has done.
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I don't doubt it.
Dec 7, 2021, 10:22 AM
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But how the media reports it is a media bias problem, not indicative of some fascist intent.
The act of the FTC itself, however, is another story.
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Re: Given that they say meetings with media to reshape their
Dec 7, 2021, 9:51 AM
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Why would you assume that?
The proof is in the pudding. They can "work to reshape" but media companies are independent entities and they'll ultimately do what they wanna...and leaning on the media tends to be a great way to ensure you get negative coverage. Historically the press has never liked being told what to say. I certainly wouldn't.
The actual truth about the "state of our economy" is decidedly mixed. Gas prices are bad. Inflation is bad. Job creation was meh in November but surged hugely the month before that. Stocks are hot-and-cold right now, the big ones are doing good, the small ones generally poorly. Lot of mixed signals all over the place and no doubt COVID has hampered the recovery but generally the overall news is fair-to-decent, not the shipwreck the conservative media is claiming.
I think they'd like to control the ground rules for defining "what is a good economy", but it's definitely up in the air if the press is going to listen. My guess is it'll have limited if any effect in reality. The MSM has always been a herd of cats, good luck getting them all rowing in the same direction.
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If the past couple of years have told us anything, it's that
Dec 7, 2021, 10:02 AM
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most MSM outlets will walk in lock step with the current Democrat narrative/agenda. It's demonstrably true. We've seen it over and over and over again.
Our supply chain/mfg is walking a knife edge right now, if you think the overall news is currently fair to decent you're out of touch. We're a gnats ### away from major, major problems.
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The past few decades have told us this.
Dec 7, 2021, 10:03 AM
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This is nothing new.
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It really kicked into high gear with the riots IMO
Dec 7, 2021, 10:07 AM
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They kind of dropped the mask and stopped pretending.
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I'd agree with that.
Dec 7, 2021, 10:15 AM
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But again, I just don't see the point in griping about it.
I hide new sources from my Google News feed that are crapshoots (NYT, in particular). I don't watch any MSM channels. Most of the news I get comes from a well manicured Twitter following from people I trust and know to be objective.
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That's all well and good, but a sizable portion of our
Dec 7, 2021, 10:26 AM
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population still takes what they say at face value. The Rittenhouse trial is a good example, how many people legitimately thought he shot black people? Many probably still do. You can only control what you do as an individual, but I still think it's important to point out the bias and inaccuracies. If nobody does, democracy dies in darkness lulz.
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I suppose I agree with that.
Dec 7, 2021, 10:31 AM
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And, I am guilty of the same principle as well with going bare knuckles against any hint of Q propaganda.
I suppose the only thing I take umbrage with are people like OP whose only true objective with such posts is scratching a psychological itch with the emotional outrage.
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i think the point should be
Dec 7, 2021, 9:43 AM
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if a Pub President, say Bush (cause Trump cause TDS), did this to get them to change all their narratives, he'd be laughed out of the building by the media.
A Lib President, ya, whatever we can do to help.
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You don't think Bush had staff that met with media outlets
Dec 7, 2021, 9:49 AM
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outside of televised press conferences? This is likely a pretty common practice. It's up to the media outlets to report facts and truth. If they change a narrative wholesale because an Administration encouraged them to do so, that's an issue. Is there evidence of this happening?
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sure, I'm sure they TRIED. That is the difference
Dec 7, 2021, 9:57 AM
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the 99.99% liberal media complying with a dem.
And then laughing their ##### off with a pub.
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Are you just now realizing there's a liberal bias in MSM?***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:59 AM
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uh, no? But look below at 19b's post
Dec 7, 2021, 10:15 AM
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I'm sure 19, i'll give you 98.999%. I compromised.
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