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Dynasty Maker [3150]
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CJ Spiller looks like a bad hire
Dec 7, 2022, 3:15 PM
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With our RB depth, guys should be lining up to come here. They'd get playing time.
Bama, UGA, and OSU sign 5 star RBs every year that sit on the bench. Please don't use the excuse that we can't sign someone because they'll be behind Shipley and Mafah.
This is legitimately concerning that we can't get one high level player to sign.
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Clemson Icon [24894]
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We have heard the same about you
Dec 7, 2022, 3:16 PM
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Are you moving on ?
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Dynasty Maker [3150]
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Re: We have heard the same about you
Dec 7, 2022, 3:18 PM
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Deflection post #1
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Clemson Icon [24894]
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We have heard the same about you
Dec 7, 2022, 3:20 PM
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truth hurts LOL
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Rival Killer [2965]
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Ultimate Tiger [33710]
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i'm cool..
Dec 7, 2022, 3:17 PM
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Orange Blooded [2493]
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His players play well and are one of the
Dec 7, 2022, 3:22 PM
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Strengths of the team.
Based on that, I would not say he was a bad hire, but I share your concern about RB recruiting.
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Heisman Winner [86145]
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Clemson has NEVER been "Running Back U". That is why it
Dec 7, 2022, 3:22 PM
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was such a huge deal when Spiller himself decided to come here. And, let's face it, he was almost a Unicorn.
If you develop a GREAT offensive line, ANY quality running back will look good. The best running back in the world will look mediocre behind a bad offensive line at times. Even ETN had to work hard for his yards here, and neither he NOR the line was what you call "mediocre".
If I had to pick, I would go for the Top Quality O-Line players AND COACHES, and get some able bodied running backs to run behind them that do not have to have a galaxy of stars beside their name. That is pretty much the model the NFL is going to.
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Tiger Titan [50780]
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He was a great RB here and Dabo thinks he’s perfect for the job
Dec 7, 2022, 3:23 PM
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so you must be wrong.
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Paw Warrior [5061]
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Passive aggressive Jealousy Jab by JK
Dec 7, 2022, 8:50 PM
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Call them out when they happen.
Same as when he criticized womens softball, football many many times, charity causes.
Always Jealousy Jabs at football.
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CU Medallion [18465]
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Re: CJ Spiller looks like a bad hire
Dec 7, 2022, 3:23 PM
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Per Rivals, Alabama has 2 in the last 5 classes. Want to rethink your argument?
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Ring of Honor [22331]
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I'm wondering who our last RB to enter the draft early was?
Dec 7, 2022, 3:32 PM
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Otherwise this 5 star guy some want is apparently ready to come here and get 3-5 carries a game like Pace for two years. Bless their hearts!
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CU Medallion [18200]
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Wayne Gallman left as a RS JR***
Dec 7, 2022, 3:35 PM
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Ring of Honor [22331]
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And with a 4 year degree
Dec 7, 2022, 3:42 PM
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he had a year he could have stayed but is that early? The only 2 we've had who you would say could have left early were CJ and ETN. Even Terry Allen way back was here 4 years with his redshirt year
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CU Medallion [18200]
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He left early... spin it however you want***
Dec 7, 2022, 5:57 PM
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Ring of Honor [22331]
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But right now many seem to be assuming Ship and
Dec 7, 2022, 8:03 PM
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Mafah are gone after 3 years, something I don't believe has ever happened. Maybe Ronald Williams way back when, and he went undrafted
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Heisman Winner [80097]
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Ed Zachary***
Dec 7, 2022, 8:07 PM
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Ring of Honor [22331]
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Is he related to Travis
Dec 7, 2022, 8:09 PM
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who didn't leave early either?
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Heisman Winner [80097]
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Listen, Wayne left early. Quit trying to spin it...
Dec 7, 2022, 8:16 PM
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It's important.
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Ring of Honor [22331]
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And parlayed that into a 4th round, non guaranteed contract
Dec 7, 2022, 8:30 PM
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I loved Wayne, heck of a back. What we don't know is these guys family situations. I'm glad it worked out for Wayne. 4 years in the league off the bat and still bouncing around. Tough son of a gun.
Know nothing about Mafah's situation, I do know Ship has no concerns.
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CU Medallion [18200]
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None of that changes the truth of the matter though, Wayne
Dec 7, 2022, 10:11 PM
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left early
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CU Medallion [18200]
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CU Medallion [18200]
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Legend [6837]
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Re: CJ Spiller looks like a bad hire
Dec 7, 2022, 3:24 PM
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Why don’t you move on to one of those. I’ll but you a shirt
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Athletic Dir [1149]
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Re: CJ Spiller looks like a bad hire
Dec 7, 2022, 3:26 PM
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Just speculating, but how many 5 star OL recruits does Bama, UGA and OSU sign each year vs Clemson. A dominant OL can make an RB. I feel like Spiller may have been the best college RB in history when you compare the talent at OL that he had (compared to the best OL teams in the country)
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102934]
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You haven't seen Ship and Mafah run the ball?
Dec 7, 2022, 3:37 PM
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You might want to watch some film.
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Oculus Spirit [42282]
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I'm not saying he's proven himself, but we haven't signed
Dec 7, 2022, 3:37 PM
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the 5 star backs in the past like the programs you mentioned. Unlike JK and our basketball team though, I don't think past failures to do something means you shouldn't continue to try. I do think it might have been more difficult to recruit with Pace being on roster as now you had someone already well positioned in the program not getting reps. I'm not covering for CJ Spiller, to me the jury is still out. I'm saying something about our program keeps it from happening. Poor blocking? Negative recruiting? Lack of heisman trophy? I don't know what it is. Hoping CJ can turn it around. Me personally I would give him another 18 months to 2 years before I gave up on him but that's me.
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Paw Warrior [4715]
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And so it begins…
Dec 7, 2022, 3:43 PM
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I was wondering who the next fan whipping boy would be. Last year it was Tony Elliott/DJ. This year it was DJ. Get ready, CJ because you’re next.
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Game Changer [1697]
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Re: And so it begins…
Dec 8, 2022, 7:52 AM
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Ever since the CEOs started showing up we've had whipping boys presented. CJ has already had a taste of venom . Last year he was running off the good ones, failing to develop the remaining talent and wholly unsuccessful recruiting.
I'm glad we have the CEOs on here. They keep me humble and enlightened.
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TigerNet Elite [69792]
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He needs two home run RB recruits in the next cycle
Dec 7, 2022, 3:44 PM
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N/A
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Dynasty Maker [3378]
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Re: He needs two home run RB recruits in the next cycle
Dec 8, 2022, 8:13 AM
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When have we really ever had a homerun recruit for running back? We don’t get a lot of 5 star backs. Spiller, Bellamy, Bowman, Ship. That’s all I can think of since 08 and only 2 of them made it longer than a full season. ETN was our last recruit that cycle and nobody knew who he was. Wayne was a 4 star.
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Tiger Titan [48452]
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I just LOL at people that think postition coaches are
Dec 7, 2022, 3:47 PM
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singularly responsible for recruiting and signing players at the position in which they coach.
That's not how this works.
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Ring of Honor [22331]
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He is the primary***
Dec 7, 2022, 3:57 PM
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Clemson Icon [24894]
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Oh yeah, you would know
Dec 7, 2022, 4:04 PM
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LOL
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Ring of Honor [22331]
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?***
Dec 7, 2022, 4:06 PM
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Clemson Icon [24894]
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Sorry that went over your head
Dec 7, 2022, 4:07 PM
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LOL
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Ring of Honor [22331]
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Guess so...***
Dec 7, 2022, 4:09 PM
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Clemson Icon [24894]
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Apparently
Dec 7, 2022, 4:10 PM
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LOL
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Head Coach [937]
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puh -lease***
Jan 12, 2021, 7:49 PM
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All-Pro [707]
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Idiot Post of the Day***
Dec 7, 2022, 3:58 PM
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Athletic Dir [1139]
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Re: CJ Spiller looks like a bad hire
Dec 7, 2022, 4:19 PM
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Coaches recruit by territory, not position
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I was just going to let him keep talking.***
Dec 7, 2022, 4:20 PM
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Associate AD [831]
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Re: I was just going to let him keep talking.***
Dec 7, 2022, 5:36 PM
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LOL - you must be the guy who never posts "spoiler alert" before you give away the ending!
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Re: CJ Spiller looks like a bad hire
Dec 7, 2022, 4:28 PM
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Exactly. Great example is Jarvis Green #4 out of Dutch Fork HS in Irmo, SC. He is a 3 or 4 star depending on who grading. Over 3000 all purpose yards, 41 touchdowns in route to State 5A championship. Coach Spiller told him that he has him #3 RB choice. Outstanding young man and lifelong Clemson fan. I know the family and Jarvis would fit the program.
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Athletic Dir [1149]
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Wow - I wouldn't call him heavily recruited
Dec 7, 2022, 5:15 PM
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Not saying he's not a great guy and may be able to make it in college. But this is pulling at strings a bit. I say CJ is doing an excellent job as position coach. Our RB's run hard and with tons of heart and effort. Recruiting will come along (success breeds success).
https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/jarvis-green-283394?view=pv
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Orange Blooded [2160]
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Game Day Hero [4512]
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Re: CJ Spiller looks like a bad hire
Dec 7, 2022, 5:19 PM
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Trust me when I say Spiller is the least of our coaching concerns.
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All-TigerNet [5706]
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Want to haul in rb’s consistently, then get a good OL
Dec 7, 2022, 5:27 PM
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We are getting better there this year, but still a long way to go to getting to uga/bama OL level
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Orange Blooded [2160]
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Re: CJ Spiller looks like a bad hire
Dec 7, 2022, 6:00 PM
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Perhaps you should go interview for the position... since you know so much and all.
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Rock Defender [60]
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Re: CJ Spiller looks like a bad hire
Dec 7, 2022, 7:08 PM
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I disagree that players should be lining up to come to Clemson. Why would you come here to be a third string running back? Shipley and Mafah are firmly is established as one and two.
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Team Captain [489]
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I wouldn’t go as far as bad hire but…
Dec 7, 2022, 7:12 PM
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He needs some help recruiting and developing a board. It seems from the outside looking in that he has too narrow a board and needs to cast a wider net. Just my opinion.
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Game Day Hero [4408]
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Re: CJ Spiller looks like a bad hire
Dec 7, 2022, 8:15 PM
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I think we have been good with running backs the past several years. We all should have learned by now that star rating doesn’t mean ####. Look at all the 5 star qbs we have had sitting on the bench or starting and not panning out
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Game Changer [1980]
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Re: CJ Spiller looks like a bad hire
Dec 7, 2022, 8:57 PM
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Tiger”fans” are deeply concerning to me!!!
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Campus Hero [13635]
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Re: CJ Spiller looks like a bad hire
Dec 7, 2022, 9:02 PM
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I suggest the OP meets with Coach Spiller at the PAW to discuss his concerns. We’ll sell tickets.
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All-Pro [773]
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Again. Position coaches recruit an area.
Dec 7, 2022, 10:12 PM
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Not a position!! Why do none of you know this?!
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National Champion [7839]
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Re: CJ Spiller looks like a bad hire
Dec 8, 2022, 9:56 AM
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So many disingenuous fans commenting on this post with the "we've never been great at recruiting RBs"
Who Tony Elliot signed as RB coach
Demarckus Bowman, 5 star, #20
Tavien Feaster, 5 star, #29
Will Shipley, 5 star, #32
Tyshon Dye, 4 star, #165
Phil Mafah, 4 star, #188
Travis Etienne, 4 star, #213
Chez Mellusi, 4 star, #241
Lyn-J Dixon, 4 star, #258
Adam Choice, 4 star, #261
Wayne Gallman, 4 star, #312
Kobe Pace, 3 star, #451
Mikey Dukes, 3 star, #927
Who CJ Spiller has signed as RB coach
Keith Adams Jr, 3 star, #1462 (last resort)
He's currently after Jamarius Haynes, unranked (last resort)
Spiller has been pathetic. He has missed on 10 RB recruits and will likely sign a last resort RB in back to back classes. We can only hope that we utilize the portal once Shipley and Mafah leave. Because RB depth is going to be a serious problem. We're going to be one injury away from having a walk-on, and two last resort RBs as serious contributors. That's embarrassing.
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