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Tiger Titan [50771]
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The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 8:59 AM
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to play at Clemson brings up an obvious question:
If they aren’t good to play at Clemson, are they also not good enough to play at Alabama, Oklahoma, Ohio State, etc.?
All of those schools have used the portal in the last few years. Are they simply adding players to round out their depth charts? Or are the transfers they get from the portal getting playing time and making meaningful contributions?
I’m just trying to understand here.
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There are some who are and some who aren’t is the truth.
Dec 8, 2021, 9:03 AM
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From what Dabo is saying I think he’ll be looking into it more. If he applies the same diligence to the portal as he does recruiting I think he’ll find some gems. I don’t see him diving head first just yet.
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I agree that he will consider the portal more than he has in the past.
Dec 8, 2021, 10:19 AM
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He’s likely realizing that he has to if we are going to thrive in this new era of college football.
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question.......
Dec 8, 2021, 10:42 AM
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why don't you see him diving in head first just yet??
-The portal has been "a thing" for the last 3 years-ish
-we've been losing players at a rate of 6-7/year to the portal
-those transfer OUT numbers have finally caught up to us from a roster numbers standpoint
-FACT: Clemson is the ONLY P5 team that has yet to use the portal........and 1 of 3 FBS teams not to use the portal
Look, I get his "hesitancy".........especially his initial hesitancy, but the college football landscape has change a TON since 2015 (our first CFP appearance) and that has only been compounded over the last 12-18 months.................he can't wait any longer, he just can't or this year won't just be a "blip" it'll be the start of the decline.
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Bama got a RB from GT ...
Dec 8, 2021, 9:07 AM
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Does Saban know GT stinks ?
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [101579]
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There are plenty of players in the portal good enough to
Dec 8, 2021, 9:08 AM
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play at Clemson, but not as many good enough to start at Clemson. Why would a second string player at say, Ole Miss, transfer to Clemson to be a second strong player? They're transferring because they want more playing time.
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Re: There are plenty of players in the portal good enough to
Dec 8, 2021, 9:27 AM
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So they're good enough to start at places like Alabama, Oklahoma, Georgia, Ohio State but not at Clemson?
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Who said there are no players good enough?***
Dec 8, 2021, 9:31 AM
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Re: Who said there are no players good enough?***
Dec 8, 2021, 9:34 AM
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Read what Bob said. I responded accordingly.
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You're getting worked by an amature level troll post from...
Dec 8, 2021, 9:37 AM
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the OP. Now you are fighting with bob over it. Don't chase the shiny dangly thing the OP is putting in front of you. No coaches are saying this. Dabo has been clear. Anyone who follows this topic closely already knows it.
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it appears as though the OP has also given up on the basket
Dec 8, 2021, 10:58 AM
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ball playing.
Good for him. It was just a matter of time.
Be nice if he took less shots at those that pay the bills but in time........
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Re: What starters has Alabama, OU, OSU, and UGA lost to the
Dec 8, 2021, 10:53 AM
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No one said they lost starters to the portal. I'm saying those teams have all GOTTEN starters from the portal. And not just starters they went out and got absolute game breakers.
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These situations seem tailor-made for our staff
Dec 8, 2021, 10:38 AM
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to recognize more diamonds in the rough, and/or apply their expert coaching to turn a talented second stringer who didn’t get the best coaching elsewhere into a star.
After all, isn’t that what we supposedly do best?
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All-In [10900]
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You should worry less about Dabo
Dec 8, 2021, 11:00 AM
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More about Drake, that Missouri Valley powerhouse
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Re: Jameson Williams transferred from OSU and is starting
Dec 9, 2021, 2:41 AM
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Yeah, but that’s because he was behind Wilson and Olave, both better than anyone we have, including Ross. Plus a slew of 5 star freshman.
Decent business decision for him to bounce if he’s not getting the reps.
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Who said there are no players good enough?***
Dec 8, 2021, 9:09 AM
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I’ve read hundreds of posts here saying that there aren’t any players
Dec 8, 2021, 10:39 AM
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in the portal good enough to start at Clemson, or to even get meaningful playing time.
Which is why I’m wondering why Alabama, Ohio State, etc. have used the portal. They are arguably more talented than we are. They both had better seasons than we did this year as well.
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Re: I’ve read hundreds of posts here saying that there aren’t any players
Dec 8, 2021, 11:35 AM
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Hundreds? C'mon Judge, you're exaggerating just a little aren't you. You know Dabo gets the benefit of the doubt around here and for countless good reasons. This season didn't play out the way it did as result of Dabo's refusal to use the transfer portal. Quit deflecting from Brad and have a little faith that Dabo will maintain his past level of success and maybe improve on it. That's my belief.
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I’ll admit to being old fashioned
Dec 8, 2021, 9:10 AM
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so with that, take a glass half empty view of the portal players. These guys left their team after committing then signing. I think that bares a lot of scrutiny though I get things are different.
5 star Kendrick. Kicked off our team. Terrible attitude, quit on his team when they needed him most and is now some other teams’ liability. Just an example, of course. There are good ones I’m sure. Just don’t need to add a transfer cancer.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [101579]
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"transfer cancer"
Dec 8, 2021, 9:18 AM
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That's gold, Jerry. Gold!
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Heisman Winner [80014]
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Use it as you wish
Dec 8, 2021, 9:24 AM
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for a small royalty.
I’ll accept nudes, but not the kind classless94 likes.
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Re: I’ll admit to being old fashioned
Dec 8, 2021, 9:25 AM
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You have to judge them case by case.
Plenty of trouble and plenty of high character guys.
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Paw Master [16102]
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 9:23 AM
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EXACTLY.....end of story.
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 9:27 AM
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Remark was to CUTigerBob's first post.
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 9:29 AM
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Not sure who actually stated that JK, but you are correct the implications from posters on Tnet are there.
That said, two stars in the SEC champ game for Bama were both transfers. We had a chance to get Toto or too too but if I recall correctly, at the time there was not a position need.
It's no different than a recruit. They're not coming to be a backup. They're coming because they are confident they're better.
Many reasons players enter transfer portal. Some people get hung up on a player being 2nd string at ole miss, hence why would they be better here. A coach has to cull out said transfer. Not all coaches are like Dabo and the best see PT... I'm a firm believer in situations where former coach may not have been able to correctly develop that 2nd stringer. Or they had said 2nd stringer in the wrong position.
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I agree with you Judge...
Dec 8, 2021, 9:31 AM
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But why aren't you discussing the problems with the basketball team so far???
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From Dabo's perspective, I think it's not really a matter of
Dec 8, 2021, 9:32 AM
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a kid being good enough to play at Clemson.
I think he sees it as:
Are they good enough to play
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Are they good enough to make an impact
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Are they the right cultural fit
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By adding that player does it send the right message for others on the team in that position relating to a "work hard and you will get your chance" type philosophy.
At the end of the day, he'll have to use it and probably it will happen soon.
I appreciate him being slow to use this tool because of his conviction around what type of program he wants to have.
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^This.
Dec 8, 2021, 9:33 AM
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Dabo has been very clear and consistent in his message. It's really not that complicated.
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Tiger Titan [50771]
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He has made it complicated.
Dec 8, 2021, 10:43 AM
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First he said that he doesn’t like the portal and prefers not to use it.
We didn’t use it.
Then he said that he’s open to using it if a player is the right fit, but would still prefer players already on our team.
Surely you can understand why he’s earned the reputation for not using the portal, based on what he’s said and what he’s actually done (or not done) so far.
Thankfully, he has seemingly softened his stance on this issue recently, because he sees how important the portal is becoming in college football.
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So is your post about Dabo/coaches comments...
Dec 8, 2021, 10:49 AM
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or about fan's comments?
Because first you indicate it's the fan's comments you are addressing...
"I’ve read hundreds of posts here saying that there aren’t any players in the portal good enough to start at Clemson, or to even get meaningful playing time.
Which is why I’m wondering why Alabama, Ohio State, etc. have used the portal. They are arguably more talented than we are. They both had better seasons than we did this year as well."
And here you indicate it's Dabo's comments/actions you are addressing...
"He has made it complicated.
First he said that he doesn’t like the portal and prefers not to use it.
We didn’t use it.
Then he said that he’s open to using it if a player is the right fit, but would still prefer players already on our team.
Surely you can understand why he’s earned the reputation for not using the portal, based on what he’s said and what he’s actually done (or not done) so far.
Thankfully, he has seemingly softened his stance on this issue recently, because he sees how important the portal is becoming in college football."
If you're addressing Dabo's comments/actions, as you are now indicating, please provide a link to where Dabo has said there are no players in the portal good enough to play at Clemson.
Easy enough.
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Clemson Conqueror [11484]
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Re: So is your post about Dabo/coaches comments...
Dec 8, 2021, 10:52 AM
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His new MO is to attack Dabo passively.
Sometimes he slips up and attacks Dabo actively as you have pointed out above.
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Tiger Titan [50771]
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My original post was referring to fan posts here.
Dec 8, 2021, 11:43 AM
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My last post you responded to was about Dabo, since you referred to Dabo in your post.
You may not have noticed, but TigerNet indents responses to posts so you can easily follow which comments refer to which posts. HTH.
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Is that the long way of saying…
Dec 8, 2021, 12:07 PM
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I researched for 20 minutes, but can’t find where Dabo ever said that and I did a poor job of notion attribution in my OP so it’s understandable why someone would ask “who said there are no players in the portal good enough?” and also it’s understandable why you (FM) would have mentioned Dabo in your comments directly above since you were responding to someone who mentioned Dabo which is easy to tell because TigerNet indents responses to posts so you can easily follow which comments refer to which posts?
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Paw Master [16674]
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There is nothing complicated about that stance and your resentment
Dec 8, 2021, 12:43 PM
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of Clemson football shines through when you post. I don’t know if that’s intentional or not but it’s pretty clear.
Regardless, Dabo doesn’t like the portal. That has not changed. Dabo’s vision, and what he pitches to players and their parents, is that we develop them into contributors. There are a slew of reasons that transfers can disrupt your culture and undermine your vision, and in truth there are probably a very small percentage that would make an impact, augment the team locker room and fit in the culture.
Now Dabo is seeing just how big of an impact the portal is having on his team. He HAS to field a team. So he’s sending signals that the portal has to be in play. Again, nothing complicated or inconsistent about it.
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LOL, I don’t resent Clemson football.
Dec 8, 2021, 8:33 PM
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I love Clemson football, but I’m also able to step back and have some modicum of objectivity when it comes to where we are.
Some people here are clinging with white knuckles to our success in prior seasons, while excusing away our disappointing year this year. It is obvious that we are unlikely to make the playoffs next year without significant changes in talent and/or coaching philosophy.
It seems obvious that Dabo doesn’t want to use the portal unless he feels he absolutely has to. I get that. But when other teams (who are currently better than us) have used the portal with success, it is silly to read posts by our fans saying that no one in the portal can make a meaningful contribution at Clemson.
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who said anything about good enough ???
Dec 8, 2021, 9:32 AM
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I don't think that was ever said or implied
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 9:35 AM
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Judge,
I used to respect you and almost feel bad for you when I thought you were a good guy who decided to take up the valiant and seemingly impossible job of defending Brownell against all of the anger toward him.
You've changed bro.....
Maybe it's the bitterness of fighting an un-winnable fight, but your decision to try to bring others down instead of solely lifting up has lost your redeeming quality of fighting with good intentions.
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 1:20 PM
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I used to think the same for a moment.
This thread is once again testament to the OP’s reflexive trolling instinct to craft a false premise or strawman topic with some imbedded caveat of “just trying to understand” as the inroad to disparage everything Clemson save its basketball coach.
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Do you have a link to a coach saying this or are you questioning a fan’s comment?***
Dec 8, 2021, 9:35 AM
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Fan comments.
Dec 8, 2021, 11:44 AM
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I haven’t heard any coaches say that no players in the portal are good enough to play for us.
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 9:39 AM
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It is not for us mere fans to understand the minds of college coaches, just to hope they are making the right choices. The one thing we all do understand is in this huge business called football, coaches that don't make good choices receive huge buyouts and are unemployed.
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 9:39 AM
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I can understand the logic of "going to the locker room". Here you have players that are committed to Clemson, they know whats expected of them, and they know the play book. However, when the locker room gets empty and you are lacking in depth then you need to take a look at the portal to fill those holes.
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 9:41 AM
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If they are transferring than more than likely they do not fit the culture at Clemson! There are exceptions I am sure but not the rule! Now the family culture that Dabo has built may prove to be unsustainable with the kids of today and NIL and all the rest. I hope not. I actually belie Dabo when He says he serves their hearts not their talent and that He is building men! Maybe I am wrong.
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 9:45 AM
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You can't base assumptions on what you see on the list. High profile, four and five-star players are snapped up immediately. There is a possibility that they have already contacted some schools ahead of announcing to enter the portal. So, yes, there are some players good enough for Clemson.
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Dec 8, 2021, 10:01 AM
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 10:09 AM
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to play at Clemson brings up an obvious question:
If they aren’t good to play at Clemson, are they also not good enough to play at Alabama, Oklahoma, Ohio State, etc.?
All of those schools have used the portal in the last few years. Are they simply adding players to round out their depth charts? Or are the transfers they get from the portal getting playing time and making meaningful contributions?
I’m just trying to understand here.
More trolling from judge jackleg. Make up a statement which is patently false, present it as true and start a silly conversation. All in an effort to make our coaches look bad. Seems he gets more coltish by the day
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What statement in my original post was made up?
Dec 8, 2021, 11:46 AM
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And which coaches did I criticize?
Are you always this paranoid?
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LOL, classic viz only chiming in when it’s a convenient time for a personal attack.***
Dec 8, 2021, 8:34 PM
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 10:24 AM
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We’ll Judge, since you asked.
It’s really not about good vs not good.
We’ve seen not good enough players be fantastic transfers. … and the reverse is also true.
It’s getting the portal people who fit in and have a like-mindedness, fill a need, are in good to excellent academic status, are willing to accept coaching and would be content with evaluations that don’t immediately put them on the field. And, you mostly are not looking for one-year-wonders.
Estimate 120 D1 football playing schools and an average portal entry of 7-9 per school per year. That’s 840-1080 in the portal every year. Assuming that 10% were HS 4 or 5* rated you have roughly about 100 high quality players from which to choose. Of that assume that 50% are problematic in some fashion: grades, attitude, drugs, duis, remaining eligibility. So 50 prospects left to be recruited by that 120 schools. Who are also in the process of bringing in 17-18 yo frosh.
How many ya gonna take or attempt to recruit? How many are gonna be interested? How much time do you have to vett? And are you midterm or between terms or summer?
It’s not about good or not good.
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Maybe Dabo should consult with Brad
Dec 8, 2021, 10:56 AM
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Heard he has extensive experience in getting players from the transfer portal
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Not necessary
Dec 8, 2021, 11:04 AM
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One can recruit
The other, not so much
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It's all BS and tilting at windmills. I've seen recent posts
Dec 8, 2021, 10:58 AM
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on Twitter by Brad Scott and at least once Clemson coach decrying the state of college football and how bad the portal and NIL are. Well guess what? It is the reality of college football in 2021 and going forward. Improvise, adapt, overcome. And stop whining.
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We can keep hiding behind “our culture” and “Clemson family”
Dec 8, 2021, 11:49 AM
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as justifications not to use the portal, or we can believe that there are some great kids in the portal who can help us and explore the idea further.
From where I sit, if we truly believe in the power of our culture and the strength of the Clemson family, we will trust that it won’t crumble if a transfer or two doesn’t work out as planned.
After all, we have maintained our culture when high school recruits weren’t who we expected.
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Orange Elite [5238]
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Re: We can keep hiding behind “our culture” and “Clemson family”
Dec 8, 2021, 1:30 PM
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Hiding? Now you've gone too far. You've accused one poster of having a mental condition and now you're describing Dabo's approach to the portal as hiding. Don't say you didn't accuse Dabo because you used the word "we". Dabo makes policy in that area. You're a despicable fake.
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Tiger Titan [50771]
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Are you serious?
Dec 8, 2021, 8:37 PM
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LOL!
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Paw Warrior [5060]
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 11:11 AM
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Each player moved has a story - when going to a high blue blood program.
So, when saying that these teams bring them in, be careful when looking at the numbers.
First, remove the players who are not scholarship players. Just because you went from school A to B - does not mean you are on scholarship.
Second, some schools and conferences will accept any player who can contribute - regardless of arrest record, attitude, ability to pass courses, - think SEC here.
Then, you do have a player who had narrowed it to 2 schools and in their mind, chose badly.
Then you have schools like Oklahoma where their model is to accept players for one year runs - primarily QB. Poaching in many cases.
In last 3 years.
Bama has brought in 3 scholarship players. Shipped out 26
Ohio state - brought in - 1 player - shipped out 17
Ga - 4 that played a down. DK in that number. 18 out without any reported this year - so far.
So, not much to see here from our major competitors.
Like any year, Bama has the edge for high star players. 3 star Williams from Ohio state and too too from UT.
Only 1 was a qb - and he is UGA backup. JT Daniels.
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Scout Team [88]
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 11:29 AM
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Another kind of transfer nobody mentions is the high character guy who graduates with a year left and needs to move on to better grad school prospects. This is mainly a thing at small schools like FCS that have fewer grad offerings. Once a guy graduates Wofford or Furman there isn't much reason to stay. I could see this mainly helping to fill gaps on an O line. A team like CU could cherry pick the best, proven grownups from NDSU, SDSU, James Madison etc. and get a good year out of them. Its also a great way to pick up guys like kickers and long snappers with tons of college success under their belts.
That's just one idea, but down the road the successful teams are going to be the ones who perfect ways to mine the portal.
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 11:31 AM
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i think the good players negotiate their salary/benefits with their new employer before entering the portal, so they are not in the portal for very long
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National Champion [7638]
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 11:34 AM
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Just speaking of Bama, the LB from TN and the WR from OSU were foundational players that Alabama built their team around this year. The Williams kid especially is an outstanding player! There are good ones hitting the portal but it seems to me that the good ones have their next team pretty much lined up before they hit the portal, which I thought was illegal. I guess the over 1,000 players who failed to catch on with a new team failed to do this.
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Game Changer [1810]
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It's a RIDICULOUS notion...
Dec 8, 2021, 11:57 AM
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Part ignorance, part wishful thinking but it stems from the desire to remain in a state of harmonious idolatry. The idolatry of CDS-
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National Champion [7900]
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 11:59 AM
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Dabo didn't want to use the portal to better the team. Now that Clemson is losing players in the portal his hand is being forced.
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Orange Elite [5238]
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 1:45 PM
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True and there's nothing wrong with that.
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Game Changer [1810]
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 2:55 PM
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Well, there is kind of, if I'm a player in the portal, why in the hell would I come to a place where Portal players were banned and verbally shunned?
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Link to either of those things ever being said by anyone...
Dec 8, 2021, 3:03 PM
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on our staff?
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Dynasty Maker [3447]
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 12:55 PM
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There really is nothing to discuss or even worry about. Danny Pearman is on it.
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Top TigerNet [32835]
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oh my
Dec 8, 2021, 2:02 PM
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 2:17 PM
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Classic, absolute textbook, JK strawman argument to launch an attack against our football program which is in itself nothing but fallacies. Punctuated by your noxious “just trying to understand here” which is simply an outright lie. The only thing more embarrassing than your trolling is the 9 fools who upvoted this trash.
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 2:35 PM
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Dabo has said he will use the portal when it makes sense. The handful of impactful players that transferred in to high level programs may not have been at positions where we had a need at the time. So they didn’t make sense. Or if they don’t hold the same core values that Dabo looks for in his players then they don’t make sense. I believe Dabo when he says he will use it when it makes sense and I trust him to know better than any of us when that happens.
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Of course...
Dec 8, 2021, 2:44 PM
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there really is no need to debate this, Dabo has been clear.
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Re: Of course...
Dec 8, 2021, 2:49 PM
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I am really tired of that debate. Can we get the mods to ban any post with the word portal in it for say 2 weeks??
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Orange Blooded [2225]
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 3:36 PM
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Most players are in the portal because they aren’t playing. They didn’t have the patience to work hard, gain strength and experience and work their way up the depth chart. I can’t see many of them coming into Clemson and starting and they don’t have the patience to wait their turn. I really don’t know how to make the portal work successfully.
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I have said this in reply to some other posts, and firmly
Dec 8, 2021, 3:46 PM
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believe it.
SOME schools, with Bama being the leader, have it set up through some hidden shadow network, a system whereby they clandestinely put out feelers to RECRUIT talent via the transfer portal. The speed at which some hit the portal and then announce their new destination is VERY short, way too short for there not to have been some prearrangement. Just like recent head coaching changes. Good for the Goose....and so on.
Now, I have no NCAA rule book, but I have to believe that even though they have folded the tents on financial compensation for players, they would still consider contacting another schools players for purposes of getting them to leave and come play for you would fall under some form of illegal tampering.
That is why I say these networks are shadow, hidden, and clandestine. Let's get real, the old Bagman network operated hidden in plain sight for decades. Do we really think it would be hard to set this up? If you think it is, then you are just a naive kid wandering in a Lily field, thinking the whole world is a garden.
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National Champion [8019]
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i would just go get any offensive lineman that are in that
Dec 8, 2021, 3:47 PM
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monster range and take my chances. Can't have too many offensive lineman.
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 8:06 PM
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Didn’t Joe Burrow go to LSU through the portal?
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Starter [366]
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 8:24 PM
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Joe Burrow would have been nothing without the receivers he was throwing to. They’re all stars right now in the NFL. Hope that helps. He was also like almost 24 years old.
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Starter [366]
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 8:17 PM
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I personally think there is some tampering involved before the good ones enter the portal. I think we are naive to think otherwise. Clemson will not operate that way. My two cents.
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 8:24 PM
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Your definition of “good enough” and Dabo’s are obviously different. You probably are thinking about talent. Dabo looks for character AND talent. Most kids in the portal are after the fast and now. Don’t wanna put in the work and earn it. Those attitudes are not “good enough” for Clemson
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Tiger Titan [50771]
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That’s a really unfair generalization of players in the portal.
Dec 8, 2021, 8:40 PM
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It sounds like Dabo tends to agree with you, based on his comments.
I would encourage more open-mindedness on the topic.
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 8, 2021, 8:26 PM
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Someone needs to review each player individually and not care about how they are rated. Cincinnati is playing in the playoffs this year and they have only recruited a total of 6 4 star players or above in 12 years. They are winning with 2 and 3 star players.
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Tiger Titan [50771]
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Sounds like excellent player development and coaching to me.
Dec 8, 2021, 8:42 PM
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That was a big reason for our ascent in the college football ranks.
I feel like we have lost some of that recently.
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Re: Sounds like excellent player development and coaching to me.
Dec 8, 2021, 8:55 PM
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So 5 star DB, Eli Ricks, is in the portal transferring from LSU and was rubber stamped to go to 031O St. and all of a sudden Ryan Day backed off. Day and 031O St. are no strangers to the Portal (i.e. Justin Fields) so that's not the issue. The story is that if he brings him in, he'll probably lose 2 of his current DBs to the portal. He knows the work ethic and abilities of his current DBs but Ricks is a gamble. Plus, like others have said, if he quit once, will he quit again?
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Orange Beast [6316]
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Re: Transfers...
Dec 9, 2021, 2:50 AM
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Most transfers go to smaller schools or schools that are not very good. At those schools they get more playing time. One example is Coastal Carolina. They compete well because they have a lot of transfers from larger schools.
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Re: The notion that there are no players in the portal good enough
Dec 9, 2021, 2:51 AM
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Anyone who says there isn’t talent in the portal that could start at Clemson drastically overvalues our players.
Look, Dabo obviously is not a fan and has railed against it for so long that when he eventually has to use it, it will likely be in a situation that everyone understands.
Backup QB next year could be that spot where a senior wants to come in and take a swing at the starting job, but we’ll get some depth if DJ stinks up the joint or gets injured, but Cade isn’t ready yet.
Part of the problem is that Dabo sold players during the recruiting process that they don’t have to worry about transfers coming in and stealing your job. The other problematic part is that at some point he’ll realize that unfortunately it is unlikely to have sustained playoff level results without benefitting from the portal. Backtracking on that will be a tough message for the current players, but heavy is the head…
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