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Crying over Venezuelan gang-bangers getting deported
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Mar 17, 2025, 9:39 PM
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That's probably a new low for the Left.
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Detain them
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Mar 17, 2025, 11:26 PM
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Give them a lawyer, a hearing, and a one way flight to El Salvador
Just because they break the law, that doesn't mean we get to
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Re: Detain them
Mar 18, 2025, 6:04 AM
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If they are here illegally and known gang members, screw that. Get em out of here.
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Re: Detain them
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Mar 18, 2025, 6:10 AM
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Exactly. They “broke in” here and are gang criminals. We’re supposed to pay a lawyer for each of them before we can send them home? Geez!!!
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Re: Detain them
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Mar 18, 2025, 7:51 AM
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That's not really the issue most people are concerned about. Trump is using wartime powers (Alien Enemies Act), that haven't been used since WWII, to deport people. A federal judge temporarily blocked the deportations, and maybe or maybe not Trump defied the order. That's what is concerning to most people, not 'dem libruls dawnt lak Trump duportin crimunuls'.
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Paw Warrior [4948]
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Re: Detain them
Mar 18, 2025, 7:57 AM
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I would support wartime powers if we’re talking about TDA and drug cartels. We are at war with them! They are enemies here to do us harm.
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Re: Detain them
Mar 18, 2025, 8:08 AM
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Be careful what you wish for. It just might come true.
These are criminals that are not from a country we are at war with.
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110%er [3879]
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Re: Detain them
Mar 18, 2025, 8:39 AM
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The alien enemies act also states, a predatory incursion. If there is any evidence that the Venezuelan government released known gang members and sent them to the U.S. Then there is a good argument.
Either way, these are known gang members and criminals. People need to get out of their emotions and think rationally. If they are here illegally why do they need a judge to deport them?
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Re: Detain them
Mar 18, 2025, 8:50 AM
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I agree. People need to get out of their emotions and think rationally. People need to think about the separation of powers, the fact that this act hasn't been used since WWII (you know an actual war), the possibility that Trump defied an order from a federal judge, and the ramifications of general abuse of Executive power as it relates to legislation. People certainly need to get out of their emotions and be able to think beyond one moment.
Trump may be within his legal rights here, but even if he is, he's pushing limits. If a Dem did something like this, Pubs would be losing their minds.
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Re: Detain them
Mar 18, 2025, 10:37 AM
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Forgive my ignorance, how can a district court judge stop illegal immigrants from being deported?
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Re: Detain them
Mar 18, 2025, 10:46 AM
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In this case, by issuing an order. The Trump administration is not even arguing that the Federal Judge doesn't have the right to do this. Their argument is that the planes were not in the Judges jurisdiction at the time of the written order.
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Re: Detain them
Mar 18, 2025, 12:42 PM
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Do district court judges file orders every time we send a plane of deportees out of the country?
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Re: Detain them
Mar 18, 2025, 12:53 PM
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Have post WWII Presidents used war time acts to deport people?
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All-In [10205]
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With evidence
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Mar 18, 2025, 10:49 AM
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That they are an actual citizen, or that they have a legitimate green card and can stay
What percentage do you think will gain that threshold?
My guess is less than 1%, maybe none at all
Still, I believe in the Constitution and rule of law. Also NO BOND. No release until court date. Process these criminals and get them out as fast as possible
One other thing. If they are charged criminally in the US, they should most certainly be punished according to US law (and harshly) before being deported
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Re: Detain them
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Mar 18, 2025, 11:11 AM
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People need to get out of their emotions and think rationally.
This is exactly what you're doing. You're completely ignoring Constitutional due process because you're just eager to punish criminals--but are blindly trusting the word of this admin that they are just that.
Thinking rational = wanting this process to play out properly within the bounds of the law.
Being emotional = Deport them because they're gang members because Trump said so!
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Because they're on US soil.
Mar 18, 2025, 1:13 PM
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This part still doesn't seem to be registering.
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Tiger Titan [48527]
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It's somewhat amusing to see y'all so eager to #### on the Constitution
Mar 18, 2025, 8:41 AM
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For kneejerk emotional reasons instead of logic and reasoning.
But only somewhat.
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Correct - this is the subtle slippery slope that most seem to be willfully ignoring. Again, the frog is in the pot and the heat is gradually rising.
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Re: Detain them
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Mar 18, 2025, 8:14 AM
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The problem is that Trump's subjects believe Trump is the law.
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Re: Detain them
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Mar 18, 2025, 8:41 AM
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The problem is we went from an Administration that didn't enforce laws, to an Administration that is overzealously enforcing laws.
When you have an extreme on one side, the reaction is typically an extreme to the other side.
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Re: Detain them
Mar 18, 2025, 8:59 AM
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I'm not sure if what they are doing here is actually enforcing the law.
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Re: Crying over Venezuelan gang-bangers getting deported
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Mar 17, 2025, 11:32 PM
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The truth is that isn't even really any issue and not does it represent the left. What is really sad is how scumbags like yourself support Putin and even North Korea and have abandoned our allies. The way you guys attacked our Capitol. There is nothing lower than your cult.
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Pewtin & Norf Korea!!! All in one sentence!!***
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Acting dumb enough to believe that's the issue here is the real low.
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Mar 18, 2025, 12:03 AM
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I say "acting" because, surely, you aren't that dumb. You're just making a fallacious argument...right?
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Maybe Elon Musk should be deported for his criminal activities.
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Mar 18, 2025, 3:50 AM
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No trial, just accusations.
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Paw Warrior [4948]
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Re: Maybe Elon Musk should be deported for his criminal activities.
Mar 18, 2025, 5:50 AM
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Pretty sure Musk is actually a citizen. Kind of a big difference.
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If the government isn't following the law
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Mar 18, 2025, 7:43 AM
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why would it matter if you're a citizen?
That's the problem here. You don't mind Trump and his cronies breaking the law as long as someone else is getting hurt from their law breaking.
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Re: If the government isn't following the law
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Mar 18, 2025, 7:46 AM
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They are illegal with violent histories. They don’t have the rights that citizens have. It’s not like we are executing them. We’re just trying to protect our citizens. It’s amazing that people would resist the idea of sending violent criminals home.
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Everyone within the United States has the rights afforded
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Mar 18, 2025, 8:21 AM
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by the Constitution.
Notice, how you're avoiding the issue of Trump and his administration breaking the law. Do laws matter to you?
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If they're going to be criminally charged in the U.S., they do
Mar 18, 2025, 8:29 AM
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This is a common misconception. The BoR applies to all people standing in our nation, not just citizens.
Now, if the law says they can be deported for their actions due to their status, so be it.
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Do you always blindly believe what the government tells you?
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Mar 18, 2025, 9:56 AM
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When due process is thrown out the window for "known criminals," are you going to have the same flippant attitude towards anyone else this administration says needs to be booted or thrown in a camp?
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The real irony here. The group of people most likely to complain about a "deep
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Mar 18, 2025, 10:24 AM
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state" are the ones so trusting of the government when "their side" is in power.
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How are they known without a legit legal process ?
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Mar 18, 2025, 10:04 AM
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Deporting convicted criminals is a given. Even deporting migrants accused of violent crimes that do not have ANY legal status is OK.
The issue is deportation or refusing reentry to migrants seeking asylum and foreign nationals that have legal visas based only on government accusations.
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Re: Crying over Venezuelan gang-bangers getting deported
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Mar 18, 2025, 6:00 AM
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The hypocrisy from Trump's subjects is what is sad
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Re: Crying over Venezuelan gang-bangers getting deported
Mar 18, 2025, 8:28 AM
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america first
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Re: Crying over Venezuelan gang-bangers getting deported
Mar 18, 2025, 8:30 AM
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if Joes handler can let them in, trump can kick them out
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Other than the admin saying they're all gang members...
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Mar 18, 2025, 8:45 AM
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how is it you know they are?
Maybe there are more facts that I'm not privy to, but as I understand it these folks were deported simply based on being accused of being associated with this gang. Don't you believe in the rights of folks to have due process? Don't you want the government to have some level of burden of proof before we ship people out to a foreign prison.
For discussion's sake...what if there was a Venezuelan mother here legally that happened to be shopping in a store where gang members also happened to be at that time. Government raids the place and she gets picked up with gang members that she has no association with. She gets transferred to a holding facility and then put on a plane to a prison in El Salvador. She has had no court hearing to prove who she is and who she isn't. Her family and children don't know where she is or if she's been deported.
Are you comfortable with your country behaving like that?
I sure as h8ll am not!
A better question is how so many so-called conservatives are wiping their collective arses with the Constitution? What happened to standing up for law and order? Nah...let's put aside everything our country stands for and instead adopt a simplistic machiavellianism, because it's easier for folks like you to understand. Perfect.
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Re: Other than the admin saying they're all gang members...
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Don't you believe in the rights of folks to have due process? Don't you want the government to have some level of burden of proof before we ship people out to a foreign prison.
No, they don't. They've already fully committed to believing each and every item that comes out of Trump or this admin's mouth without raising valid questions, and emotional responses are driving their reactions to deport people without due process or evidence just because they're told by the government they're bad.
They've fully committed to blind trust, and they'll continue to back this admin as they use more tactics like this to deny due process.
And no amount of reasoning from you, me, or others will change that. Emotion is driving these beliefs.
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So we deny people due process now based on tattoos. Sounds solid.***
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clemchem?
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nothing?
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In concept and practice, our system works. The checks and balances of the 3
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Branches of the federal government is a thing of beauty.
It is very possible that activist judges are taking liberties with their power.
If that’s true (and without getting into the specifics of this case, I think we all know it’s true in some cases) then the solution has to be fixing that problem. How? I don’t know. Maybe the judiciary has to bolster the “punishment” for a judge whose rulings are clearly not based on reasonable Interpretation of the law.
But one thing I can guarantee you is that the solution isn’t the Executive branch simply declaring a judicial ruling as wrong and ignoring it. That is a fundamental breakdown of this amazing system.
If the issue is that these guys are going straight from the US to a Central American maximum security prison without a trial, don’t you think that’s kind of crazy? Hypothetically, what is the number of innocent people that could get caught up in that that you would find acceptable? One? One ruined life? Is five okay? Ballpark it for me.
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Bingo _ if 90% of those deported are legit, then the 10% is still a failure
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Of American law and values.
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glad they are gone
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Mar 18, 2025, 10:55 AM
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They deserve a hearing so that the government can proved they are here illegally. If they are confirmed gang members then prison in El Salvador it is. No gang member should be provided a visa or green card under any circumstance.
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What is the definition of gang and proof of membership?***
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Would it be wrong to ship the libs to El Salvador as well?***
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