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CU Medallion [18816]
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Many say that CTB laid the foundation for today's program,
Oct 30, 2015, 12:38 PM
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and I agree, but IMO the best thing he ever did for Clemson was to recommend Dabo on his way out.
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Re: Many say that CTB laid the foundation for today's program,
Oct 30, 2015, 12:42 PM
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Agree wholeheartedly!
Go Tigers!
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That was a good move for sure
Oct 30, 2015, 12:46 PM
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But I also think Dabo would've had a much harder time being successful (if it would have even been possible) if Bowden hadn't navigated the program from the West years to some semblance of (albeit inconsistent) success. Not to mention helping push the drive for facility upgrades which have only enhanced Dabo's already wonderful recruiting abilities.
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Paw Master [17835]
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Great Post! I am glad that people realize the contributions TB
Oct 30, 2015, 3:42 PM
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made to Clemson. Who knows if TB had not recognized Dabo's talents as a coach where Dabo would be right now and where Clemsons program would be right now!!
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Tommy was never able to fix the OC position.
Oct 30, 2015, 12:58 PM
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Had he done that correctly he would still be at Clemson.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [101671]
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Re: Tommy was never able to fix the OC position.
Oct 30, 2015, 1:00 PM
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That's certainly true but he was also very inconsistent. We could defeat the big dogs like fsu and then lose to duke. You could never bank on "yeah we'll win this game for sure." It was always a roller coaster.
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He was never able to fix the DC position either. We would
Oct 30, 2015, 1:05 PM
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get teams into 3rd and 21, and give up a 26 yard play. Over and over. That is the biggest difference with Coach BV. Get em in a hole, and then finish them off on 3rd down.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [101671]
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Re: He was never able to fix the DC position either. We would
Oct 30, 2015, 1:06 PM
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Reggie Herring was the worst at that. He seemed to blitz almost every down.
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APOCABLITZ!!!!!
Oct 30, 2015, 1:10 PM
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You may get the pass off, and it may go for a touchdown, but we WILL have 11 players in your backfield.
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Heisman Winner [86127]
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One play away.....
Oct 30, 2015, 1:29 PM
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nm
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CTB Started it...CDS will finish it.
Oct 30, 2015, 1:00 PM
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Re: Many say that CTB laid the foundation for today's program,
Oct 30, 2015, 1:01 PM
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TB took us up a few notches, but he took us as far as he was willing'able to take us. It was time for a new way, and we got that with Dabo. Dabo was willing to make the hard choices to get the staff in place to carry us to the highest level, and his morals, character and dedication make it very hard for a recruit not to at least give us a look, and it is almost impossible for a real parent not to want what we offer their kid. Dabo is very much more special than TB ever though of becoming.
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Really, the only thing to still be annoyed with Bowden about
Oct 30, 2015, 1:14 PM
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was that last contract extension. Arkansas's bluff should have been called. Luckily that didn't really handcuff us at all.
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Paw Master [17025]
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Re: I don't know about that.
Oct 31, 2015, 2:48 PM
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They are not even close as Coaching abilities nor choosing assistants, though. We are light years better now than we were with TB.
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man, 100% agree
Oct 30, 2015, 1:51 PM
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TB isn't in Dabo's league as a leader of young men.......not even close. Just because you are moral and of good character does not mean you are a leader.....same goes for being a Christian. TBs teams had some character issues at times, were soft a lot of times, and listless emotionally a lot of the time. He could not hold Dabo's whistle as a true leader of young men, period.
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But it was a far sight better than what we had under West***
Oct 30, 2015, 2:07 PM
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Game Day Hero [4433]
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Agreed, or Hatfield either, once the remaining kids
Oct 30, 2015, 2:14 PM
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from Danny's last team left. Chester left early because he could not stand the Hatfield staff, etc.. Bowden, like Richt, is a good moral man.....got it. I just get irritated with people who think that moral Christian men are automatically good leaders. That is a joke. Actually, some of them can be selfish and dry and listless. You take a guy like Dabo who has grinded for everything, is young and has tons of fire, add the morals and character and you have a true leader. Richt and Bowden's teams consistently underachieved, had character issues at times, and were flat a LOT in their passion. That is garbage to me no matter how good of a man you are. TBs dad led an outlaw program at FSU and is a good man too from all accounts.
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Paw Master [17025]
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Re: Agreed, or Hatfield either, once the remaining kids
Oct 31, 2015, 2:51 PM
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+1 again! You are on a roll when it comes to nailing it today.
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Re: man, 100% agree
Oct 31, 2015, 2:49 PM
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Agreed! So well said! +1
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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CTB laid the foundation for the admin improvements
Oct 30, 2015, 1:16 PM
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and getting into the facilities arms race.
But unlike Tommy's program, this program is built on toughness and physicality. It would drive me crazy when a player under Tommy would lay their "injured" and then get right back up when the trainers got out there. We'd lay on the field and slow the game down for a hangnail. That shows softness to the other team. That stopped the first game Dabo was the coach.
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Re: Many say that CTB laid the foundation for today's program,
Oct 30, 2015, 1:27 PM
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The Bowden Bowls helped with national name recognition.
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Uhhhhhh.... .....yea. He hired Dabo. Foundation built.***
Oct 30, 2015, 1:34 PM
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Re: Uhhhhhh.... .....yea. He hired Dabo. Foundation built.***
Oct 30, 2015, 1:53 PM
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Agreed, 100%!!
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I think Frank Howard laid the foundation.***
Oct 30, 2015, 2:04 PM
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Orange Blooded [3350]
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No - Walter Riggs.***
Oct 30, 2015, 2:07 PM
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I have always appreciated what Tommy Bowden did here.
Oct 30, 2015, 2:09 PM
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Bowden made us relevant and stable.
Bowden brought us Dabo.
Dabo is making us elite and rock solid.
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Top TigerNet [32639]
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ABSOLUTELY!!! Tommy Bowden's tenure as HC was essential for
Oct 30, 2015, 2:42 PM
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OUR TIGERS success today...
...CTB was looking ahead when he picked Dabo to be his successor as well, because he knew CDS had the same vision for establishing an ELITE FB PROGRAM that would continue to grow and flourish after his departure when that time comes.
CLEMSON ROCKS!!!!!!! TIGERS ROLL!!!!!!!!!
...Beat the woofsissies!
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