Hood: Saban's whining might change the HUNH


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The big, bad boys of the SEC are running scared, but proposed rule changes in college football that would limit the “hurry” part of the HUNH might calm those fears a bit.

Also, I wonder what Clemson offensive coordinator Chad MorrisChad Morris
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Let me get you up to date – I know a lot of people have been snowed in this week and might look for a little college football talk.

The NCAA football rules committee is proposing changes for the 2014 season that would loosen the reins on defensive substitutions. The committee's proposal would allow defensive players to substitute within the first 10 seconds of the 40-second play clock, except for the final two minutes of each half.

Offenses that snap the ball before 29 seconds remain on the play clock would receive a 5-yard delay-of-game penalty. Current rules state that defensive players aren't guaranteed the opportunity to substitute unless the offense first substitutes. Under the proposal, this policy would remain when the play clock starts at 25 seconds.

It’s no surprise that two coaches who have been vocal about slowing down college football offenses are from the SEC – Alabama’s Nick Saban and Arkansas’ Bret Bielema. Both of those coaches said last summer that up-tempo offenses are likelier to cause injuries for defensive players who can't get off of the field in time.

Both of those coaches spoke to the committee before the recommendation was made.

Forgive me if I’m wrong, and maybe I am. But I’ve been watching the HUNH offense at Clemson for the past three seasons, and the only injuries I have seen are fake ones. Being fat and out of shape and sucking air late in a game isn’t an injury. Laying down on the field because you want to slow down the other team’s offense isn’t an injury.

Bob Stitt, who is the head coach at the Colorado School of Mines, showed how he feels about the proposal on Twitter Thursday.


Football has always been about change, and offensive minds have always been trying to figure out ways to beat the defense, and defensive minds have always found ways to slow down the offenses. We’ve seen the Wing-T, the option, the spread option, the spread and the Fun-n-Gun. It’s what coaches do. And the best defensive minds have always figured out ways to stop those offenses, which run in cycles.

The latest trend has been the HUNH – which stands for the Hurry Up No Huddle – as offensive coaches endeavor to get the ball snapped before the defense is set. Much like the spread, it helps offenses with lesser talent beat more talented defenses. And, if we give it enough time, some bright minded defensive coach will figure out how to stop it.

Until now. The defensive coaches are asking for help, and the NCAA is rushing to their rescue.

These new developments take me back to a conversation I had at the Orange Bowl with a former member of the staff at Alabama. We were discussing the Crimson Tide defense and their woeful attempts at stopping Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl, and he laughed and said that is why Saban has been trying to get the rules changed.

He told me to go back and look at Bama’s schedule, and find the three teams with an actual pulse on offense. I grabbed my smartphone, and told him I found four – Texas A&M, LSU, Auburn and Oklahoma. He then asked me which three run some version of the spread and HUNH, and I came up with Texas A&M, Auburn and Oklahoma. He then smiled and said the results speak for themselves.

Alabama didn't fare well defensively against those three teams, giving up 121 total points and an average of 483 yards per game. In Alabama’s 10 other games – against offensive juggernauts like Colorado St., Georgia St., Chattanooga, Kentucky, Virginia Tech and Arkansas – the Tide gave up a total of 60 points, for an average of six points per game.

No wonder Nick wants the change and shame on the NCAA if they help him get his wish.

However, there is good news. The rule still has to be approved by the NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Panel before it can take effect next season.

Here are the members:

Larry Scott, Pac-12 Commissioner
Jon Steinbrecher , MAC Commissioner
Shelley Appelbaum, senior women's administrator, Michigan State.
Derita Ratcliffe, senior women's administrator, UAB.
Jeff Hurd, commissioner, WAC.
Noreen Morris, commissioner, Northeast Conference.
Lisa Sweany, AD, Armstrong Atlantic State University.
Kristy Bayer, senior women's administrator, Arkansas Tech.
Doug Zipp, AD, Shenandoah University.
Lynn Oberbillig, AD, Smith College.
Sue Lauder, AD, Fitchburg State University

Scott and Steinbrecher might be sympathetic to the cause of the HUNH, but those others? Change could indeed be coming, and it will be interesting to see how Morris feels about the possible change. We will get to talk to him in a few weeks when the Tigers start spring practice.

I guess you could say that Saban is merely doing his due diligence, and that he is finding a way to stop the up-tempo offense. Maybe kudos should go his way for finding a way to stop them. However, instead of film work and recruiting the kind of faster, leaner defenders that are built to stop these kinds of offenses (and it can be done), he is letting the NCAA do his work for him.


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spacer New Story: Hood: Saban's whining might change the HUNH
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spacer Saban the cry baby.***
icebucket
spacer Re: New Story: Hood: Saban's whining might change the HUNH
Clemson_Greene2
spacer what's up with that list of committee members? Are they
ragtop
spacer Saban is bully. It is not enough to have the most powerful
tpaw79
spacer My guess is that most HUNH teams do not snap the ball
civil engr
spacer Re: My guess is that most HUNH teams do not snap the ball
BlueHose
spacer Snapping the ball after 10 seconds.....
TigerAidan
spacer Agreed on both points
Classof09
spacer Re: Agreed on both points
Brad W
spacer Read it again guys
mewilli
spacer That's true, but the D will be able to substitute much more
joeyb®
spacer Alabama beat TAMU this season 49 - 42***
Cheeseburger
spacer Re: Alabama beat TAMU this season 49 - 42***
lhaselden
spacer They won but their defense gave up 42 points...
tigerking79
spacer Re: New Story: Hood: Saban's whining might change the HUNH
lhaselden
spacer Pardon my lack of PC, but why the Aitch does
clover65®
spacer stopping it
shane0613
spacer Excellent points.***
Shane_Morgan
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lhaselden
spacer Re: New Story: Hood: Saban's whining might change the HUNH
allorangeallthetime52®
spacer To me, it is less about the pace for Saban...
supertiger
spacer He is free to substitute any time he wants. He just needs
tigerpride98
spacer You're technically correct
Classof09
spacer Re: You're technically correct
Brad W
spacer So what is the maximum amount of time
Classof09
spacer about 5-7 seconds if players hustle.
tigerpride98
spacer From Hurry Up No Huddle to Huddle Up No Hurry!***
Generation4
spacer I'm not sure anything will come of this to be honest
CU_Kobe_24®
spacer Delay of Game?
joeyrog1
spacer Re: Delay of Game?
BentZero
spacer This is about substitution not hurry up
BentZero
spacer There might be more injuries, but i seriously doubt there's
TigersAndCubs
spacer Re: New Story: Hood: Saban's whining might change the HUNH
Mortimer
spacer Seattle has a HUNH defense..
sinastax
spacer it's absurd that we even have to hear about sh!t like this!
jbthe1tiger99
spacer I understand David,
ClemsonTiger1988®
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I bleed orange
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fuzzyduck
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agtiger69
spacer "Sucking air isn't an injury"
Classof09
spacer have many d-1 football players do you estimate have asthma ?
sgt tiger®
spacer Re: "Sucking air isn't an injury"
clemtiger117
spacer GEDof09, you know exactly what David Hood meant by that...
tigerking79
spacer GEDof09 time to remove that quote form you signature...
tigerking79
spacer Tough critic. a 60% improvement is generally a good thing***
Classof09
spacer Re: Tough critic. a 60% improvement is generally a good thing***
clemtiger117
spacer Did you have a serious facial expression when you typed that
Completely Solid Orange
spacer Yes
Classof09
spacer Re: Yes
clemtiger117
spacer A kid dying is a bit more serious
Classof09
spacer Re: A kid dying is a bit more serious
clemtiger117
spacer So in shape people never get out of breath?
Classof09
spacer Being out of breathe is healthy. You are being silly.***
Completely Solid Orange
spacer I'm guessing you're not a doctor?***
Classof09
spacer Is your argument that any sport that causes someone to be
CUgrad2011
spacer No
Classof09
spacer Dude, you have stepped off the intellectual cliff here.
Completely Solid Orange
spacer Yet that happens during practice every day
CUgrad2011
spacer What does this have to do with anything?
Classof09
spacer Haha, NO. It's this thing called "perfectly normal."***
Completely Solid Orange
spacer It has to do with being consistent
CUgrad2011
spacer Yes a player in a similar circumstance
Classof09
spacer Re: Yes a player in a similar circumstance
clemtiger117
spacer Just quit replying if you are going to be ridiculous***
Classof09
spacer Just tell us your point. In one post, what are you saying?
Completely Solid Orange
spacer Re: Just quit replying if you are going to be ridiculous***
clemtiger117
spacer So should they eliminate being out of breath at practice?
CUgrad2011
spacer Go back and read my posts in this thread
Classof09
spacer What in the crap is the point of that?
Completely Solid Orange
spacer Re: Go back and read my posts in this thread
clemtiger117
spacer I haven't addressed the HUNH here
CUgrad2011
spacer What are you arguing?
Classof09
spacer Re: What are you arguing?
clemtiger117
spacer That if being out of breath, ever, is a serious risk, then
CUgrad2011
spacer Aren't these two separate issues?
Classof09
spacer If you are legitimately concerned, sure. But if that's the
CUgrad2011
spacer And I don't think they're two completely diff. issues
CUgrad2011
spacer Re: Aren't these two separate issues?
clemtiger117
spacer Re: Yes a player in a similar circumstance
cutiger250
spacer Re: What does this have to do with anything?
cutiger250
spacer Re: No
cutiger250
spacer I'm hoping you are high. Think for a second...
Completely Solid Orange
spacer I seriously think he's trolling...don't see how anyone can
Tall_Tiger_Two
spacer Re: So in shape people never get out of breath?
clemtiger117
spacer I hope this isn't a serious response
Classof09
spacer Re: I hope this isn't a serious response
clemtiger117
spacer I didn't make that argument
Classof09
spacer Re: I didn't make that argument
clemtiger117
spacer That is a better attempt
Classof09
spacer You could die from literally anything. Moot point.***
Completely Solid Orange
spacer Re: That is a better attempt
clemtiger117
spacer Classof09
jester®
spacer "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get
cutigerbob®
spacer Football is dangerous. Stop trying to turn it into something
Completely Solid Orange
spacer If that was the case....
cutiger250
spacer Re: Yes
jerseytiger1980
spacer How Sweet! Fresh Meat -Signed Chad Morris
Dr. Nikola Tesla
spacer Re: How Sweet! Fresh Meat -Signed Chad Morris
oldschtiger70
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Dugatiger®
spacer 60%
Tigerdug23®
spacer Saban is not worried enough about his D's health to
joeyb®
spacer Can They Man Up......I Think Clemson Can Too ----
Xander5000
spacer Saban is a crybaby, but this will have zero effect on any
AllTimeClemson
spacer Re: Saban is a crybaby, but this will have zero effect on any
clemtiger117
spacer Re: Saban is a crybaby, but this will have zero effect on any
cutiger250
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tigersfortigers
spacer If it's a seriously injured player, they need to get off the
CUgrad2011
spacer If his gripe is that he doesn't have enough time to make his
tigerpride98
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Foothills Tiger
spacer First thing
etangeman
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