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Kenny Hatfield was a really good coach

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 7:41 PM
 

who was trapped in a really bad coach's body.



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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 7:43 PM
 

Hatfield was the worst coach Clemson ever had. Period


Re: Kenny Hatfield was just a really good coach

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 7:47 PM
 

I think I speak for myself when I say Tommy West was turrblest .
Likeable guy , decent man and all ...bad recruiter and game manager.

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true about West

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 7:51 PM
 

but there was no shortage of cheap Mexican brick on campus once he got his players.

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 8:38 PM
 

TD I could tell you some things about TW that would make your skin crawl.

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 8:55 PM
 

I think West could relate to the players and fans better than Hatfield. He was young and was given more than he could handle

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 9:41 PM
 

was when one of TW's teams completed 3 straight passes and all of them resulted in losses and we had to punt on something like 4th and 25. Well, actually it was the rest of the play calling too.

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 7:48 PM
 

Howard built it, Ford Filled it, Hatfield killed it!! That is all.

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Not sure Clemson fans would have liked anyone who followed Ford

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 8:21 PM
 

I remember Clemson fans behaving like total a55e5 to Hatfield.


57-0 Hatfield must go!***


Posted: Jan 17, 2018 9:24 PM
 



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Re: Kenny Hatfield was just a really good coach

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 8:36 PM
 

Thanks to all who have agreed with me, I find it hard to believe anyone would TD my post.

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Re: Kenny Hatfield was just a really good coach

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 9:35 PM
 

Was a plane banner flown many times during games


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Posted: Jan 19, 2018 10:04 PM
 

Dabo resurrected it


He’s actually one of the best coaches we’ve ever had.

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 7:52 PM
 

If you look at his winning percentage at Clemson. He was also successful at all of his other stops. But I’m sure you don’t care about objective measures like wins, and instead want to base your belief on the fact that you don’t like him.


Re: He’s actually one of the best coaches we’ve ever had.

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 7:54 PM
 

We currently have the best coach we ever had!!

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 7:57 PM
 




His winning percentage is higher because....

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 8:09 PM
 

it took him some time to ruin things from Danny Ford. Then West followed Hatfield's dumpster fire.

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You don't think the actions by some of our fans


Posted: Jan 19, 2018 2:57 PM
 

had something to do with recruiting being worse?

Do you remember fans booing him when he arrived for his introductory press conference?

How about the fans who told our recruits not to come to Clemson?

How about the fans who put for sale signs in his yard?

What about the plane flying over games calling for his firing?

How well do you think Danny Ford would've done under those circumstances?


I COULD HAVE WON with Danny’s players

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 8:18 PM
 

on that roster!! PS - I’m a girl.

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If we were so talented in the late 80s, why didn't


Posted: Jan 19, 2018 2:58 PM
 

Danny Ford win more?

According to you and others, Danny assembled all-world talent in the late 80s. However, this all-world talent resulted in no fewer than 2 losses each season during the years leading up to Hatfield's hiring, including several losses to teams with far less talent. We won ACC championships in what was a fairly weak ACC at the time, with no FSU in the conference yet, but no top 5 finishes and no real national championship contention any of those years.

Yet, there are many who claim that our talent was among the nation's elite when Hatfield took over. Either we had a ton of talent which Danny didn't capitalize on, since we never did better than 10-2 in the late 80s, or the talent wasn't as amazing as advertised. You guys have to choose one.


You answered you question in the last paragraph.

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Posted: Jan 19, 2018 5:34 PM
 

Danny lost games we had no business losing.

Sad, but true.


I agree, but I don’t think you will find many here who support that notion.


Posted: Jan 19, 2018 7:29 PM
 

These are the people who think Danny Ford could do no wrong. They completely lack any semblance of objectivity. It’s sad.


Judge, you know every Hatfield win was due to Ford recruits

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 8:39 PM
 

like Brian Dawkins ... c'mon man.

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Re: ^^^^^^^^^This

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Posted: Jan 18, 2018 8:49 AM
 

Hatfield couldn't recruit if his life depended on it.


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Posted: Jan 18, 2018 9:15 AM
 

Brought in Dexter McLeon and Patrick Sapp who were highly rated HS QBs...and barely missed on Tommy Frazier, reportedly because he already had the other two.


Yes, because any bozo can manage a program,


Posted: Jan 19, 2018 3:00 PM
 

hire assistants, coach, recruit, etc., and win as many games as Hatfield did with all of that talent. No head coaching expertise is involved whatsoever. LOL.


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Hatfield did manage to go 10-2 with the best team in country

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 11:42 PM
 

Better than GT (Co-National champ) but managed to lose to them.

1990

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You mean the same 10-2 record Ford achieved

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Posted: Jan 19, 2018 3:02 PM
 

each of the three seasons leading up to Hatfield being hired?


Uhhh...NO !!!

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Posted: Jan 18, 2018 7:51 AM
 

He walked into a gold mine of talent and methodically and systematically went to work tearing it down piece by piece including the previously established recruiting relationships across the southeast.

Any coach worth his salt would have won at least one if not two National Championships with all of the talent he inherited.

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Re: Uhhh...NO !!!


Posted: Jan 18, 2018 8:48 AM
 

I'm worth salt...honestly...the real McCoy, in fact!


Unfortunately, your post is pure conjecture.


Posted: Jan 19, 2018 3:05 PM
 

How talented were we really in 1990?

The three years leading up to that, we finished 10-2. Solid, but nothing remarkable. We won ACC titles in the relatively weak ACC, before FSU joined. But we were not national championship contenders any of those seasons in the late 80s.

We had a great defense returning for Hatfield's first season, for sure. But I would argue that our offensive talent was not nearly as impressive. Who knows how we would've done that year if Danny were our coach and not Hatfield.

Based on the years prior, we probably would've lose a couple of games. But to act like it was this super talented team that any bozo could've coached to a national championship is stretching it a bit.

Unfortunately, due to our administration and Danny Ford both being ridiculous, we'll never know.


Maybe he was a decent coach, but he was a terrible recruiter

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Posted: Jan 19, 2018 5:32 PM
 

That was his down fall more than his coaching ability.

He inherited a National Title contender and he never re-filled the tank.

If he had taken Danny's players and won, then parlayed the momentum into strong recruiting classes he might have retired at Clemson.

Instead, he totally hit rock bottom at 5-6.

His final Clemson season (8-wins) was very similar to Muschamp's season in 2017 ... sort of deceptive.

There is every reason to believe that long-term he was more of a 5-6 type of coach for Clemson than 10-2.

We can argue all night long about whether or not he was a good coach, but recruiting is a huge part of being a successful coach and he just wasn't good at it.


Uhhh.......not even close.


Posted: Jan 17, 2018 9:22 PM
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Clemson_Tigers_head_football_coaches


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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 9:32 PM
 



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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 9:35 PM
 

pffft, Bud Saunders was waaay worse

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Re: Kenny Hatfield was just a really good coach

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 11:06 PM
 

You must have forgotten about Hootie Ingram!!!


Re: Kenny Hatfield was just a really good coach

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Posted: Jan 18, 2018 7:32 AM
 

Technically Ron Dickerson was the worst coach we ever had. Totally incompetent as a defensive back coach. Ken Hatfield was definitely a head coach that couldn't sustain the great program given to him.


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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 7:56 PM
 

I tried to like him! We ran into Him at Knickerbockers one day. He was buying hats for friends. I spoke and said "Good Luck tomorrow Coach"! He looked at me like I was crazy and never said a word. I turned to my wife and said "I hope they fire the AzzHole". They did and I was happy!

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 8:14 PM
 

He definitely danced to a different tune. He never really tried to become part of the Clemson family. He did not mix with the people in Clemson at all, very distant and cold. I have long time friends that have lived in Clemson all of their lives that would agree with this. If my memory serves me correctly he chose to live in Powdersville. For those of you not familiar with the area, Powdersville is about 25 miles From Clemson. Another pox on his head was he had the first loss to Virginia.


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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 8:56 PM
 

He did not live in Powdersville. He lived on some farm acreage about 10 miles from Clemson close to the Fair Play area.


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Posted: Jan 18, 2018 8:59 AM
 

I had a similar experience with the man. He was about as engaging as a cold rock in January. Nobody around the program really liked him and once he lost the players in the locker room it was over.


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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 7:57 PM
 



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Great Article about Ken Hatfield’s accomplishments while at Clemson.

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 8:14 PM
 

You have to read it with an open mind to appreciate it and what Ken Hatfield was able to achieve at Clemson.

https://www.shakinthesouthland.com/2017/8/8/16088872/greatest-football-coaches-in-clemson-history-8-ken-hatfield

If the link fails google it.

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Re: Great Article about Ken Hatfield’s accomplishments while at Clemson.

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 8:23 PM
 

Let me say this, I could have won the first several years at Clemson with what Hatfield inherited form Coach Ford.

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 8:30 PM
 




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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 8:44 PM
 

It would have been easy, I would have let the inmates run the asylum.

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Hatfield was a terrible coach at Clemson

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 9:28 PM
 

Hatfield inherited a program that had won 38 games in the four years before he arrived at Clemson, winning the ACC 3 of the prior four years, and defeating Stanford, Penn State, Oklahoma and West Virginia in bowl games those four years.

In Hatfield's 3rd year, the Tigers finished the ACC with a 3-5 record and were ranked 7th in a 9 team league. Hatfield took a program ranked in the top ten nationally to 7th in the ACC in three years. I doubt any person who watched the Clemson team play the last four years under Coach Ford and the first 3 years under Coach Hatfield would say he was a good coach.

Hatfield's last year he lost to a 2-9 Wake Forest team.

After Hatfield left Clemson, he coached 12 years at Rice, posting only 3 winning seasons. Hatfield was never offered a good job after he coached at Clemson.

It's impossible to examine Hatfield's record at Clemson and afterwards and say he was a good coach. It's idiotic to think Hatfield failed because of a lack of Clemson fan support when every team he coached at Clemson was among the national leaders in home attendance.

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Hatfield at Rice

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 9:36 PM
 

Hatfield had 3 winning records in the 12 years he coached at Rice. Since he left, the Owls have posted 5 winning seasons and gone to 4 bowls. Both Rice coaches since Ken Hatfield left the Owls had higher winning percentages than Hatfield had at Rice.

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I don't think it was purely Hatfield's fault at Clemson.


Posted: Jan 19, 2018 3:11 PM
 

Nice guy by all accounts, and good coach, but I do not think he would've been as successful as Ford even under the best of circumstances. However, the circumstances of his hiring and coaching tenure were pretty bad by anyone's standards. Booed at his introductory press conference, some boosters negatively recruiting against him, for sale signs in his yard, planes flying over Death Valley calling for his firing, etc.

Don't get me wrong, he didn't help himself with the offense he ran or his personality at times, but it was a really crappy situation and he was never really given a fair chance by many Clemson fans. It's one thing to show up to games because you have season tickets and enjoy tailgating. It's another thing to truly support the guy and want him to win. Sadly, there was a vocal minority of our fans who were still too upset about Danny Ford no longer being our coach to fully support Hatfield.

It was a sad time in our program's history.


Re: Great Article about Ken Hatfield’s accomplishments while at Clemson.

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 8:31 PM
 

Could you have had won 10 games under the circumstances the KH had to deal with???? You seem like one of the Saturday armchair HC’s he knows enough about college football to think he knows more than he really does!


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Re: Great Article about Ken Hatfield’s accomplishments while at Clemson.

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 8:55 PM
 

Since you asked I would probably have gone undefeated. Hatfield was not a players coach, The players played for their future and not Hatfield. He personally cost us the embarrassing loss to Cal in the Citrus Bowl by his actions and treatment of players before the game.

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LOL!!


Posted: Jan 17, 2018 8:57 PM
 

You’re joking, right? Please tell me you’re joking.


This is probably the best article I have read that defines the KH years

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 8:22 PM
 

at Clemson and his success despite some of the players and fans.

http://theclemsoninsider.com/2014/07/09/clemsons-best-coaches-hatfield-kept-them-together/

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 8:41 PM
 

Too bad we didn't get to see Hatfield coach a team with with all of his own recruits. I wonder what kind of team he was trying to build? Clearly Tommy West had no clue and screwed it up.


We didn’t get to find out. Some of our very own fans

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 8:47 PM
 

went out of their way to sabotage his efforts and undermine the program. Neither Dabo Swinney nor Danny Ford would’ve done very well either if Clemson fans were telling recruits not to come to Clemson and putting for sale signs in their yard.

Don’t get me wrong, Hatfield made some mistskes for sure, but he didn’t have a chance at Clemson.


Re: We didn’t get to find out. Some of our very own fans

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 9:06 PM
 

All of you that are carrying Hatfield's water buy you a Bus ticket to Arkansas and spend a few days asking the Hogs what they thought of him. You might change your tune.

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 9:15 PM
 




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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 10:08 PM
 

Thought you might have Fear of Flying.

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Re: We didn’t get to find out. Some of our very own fans

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 10:22 PM
 

Made some mistakes? That goofy a$$ couldn’t even get the plays in on time. He was pitiful


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Posted: Jan 18, 2018 12:04 AM
 

You nailed Judge Keller. But the fans seem to forget everything they did to make sure KH did not succeed at Clemson. He was pretty successful despite all the negative actions by the fans and some of the players.

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 10:21 PM
 

And this is what we had when he came in
http://theclemsoninsider.com/2017/12/05/ford-proud-to-be-a-part-of-clemson-history/

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KH accomplished a lot under the difficult circumstances he has to deal with.


Posted: Jan 17, 2018 8:36 PM
 

https://www.shakinthesouthland.com/2017/8/8/16088872/greatest-football-coaches-in-clemson-history-8-ken-hatfield

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I thought this was a suck up thread...

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 8:54 PM
 

So he votes us in over Rice for the last CFP spot.

But that’s a funny looking photo so I’ll +1 it.

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Re: Kenny Hatfield was a really good coach

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 9:54 PM
 

Hatfield was a good football coach. He won big at Air Force and Arkansas. He came into a completely unwinnable situation at my alma mater...hated because he replaced the most loved coach in school history who was fired for reasons not revealed to the Clemson family. He came here at a time when many in authority at Clemson were sick of football and wanted it to diminish in importance here and never wanted a coach again who had the power and influence that comes from succeeding in a big way. We suffered for twenty years because of those people....not Ken Hatfield or Tommy West.


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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 10:27 PM
 

In 27 years of coaching Hatfield's record was 168-140-4 545%. His bowl record was 4-6 40%.

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Posted: Jan 18, 2018 12:18 AM
 

If you want to know what bad is, take a look at the early 70’s. Between Hootie Ingram and Red Parker we had a horrid seven year span in loserville. Combined record of 29-46-2.

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Posted: Jan 18, 2018 8:46 AM
 

you are spot on, especially regarding the admin. clearly football had become too big for them. Hatfield wasn't a bad hire for Clemson, but it didn't work out as well as it might. west, on the other hand, was an insult. everyone likes him, he gave the hope of being a throwback to the Ford days, but anyone evaluating him would have quickly found he wasn't ready for d1 ball. our bad years were caused by the admin.


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Posted: Jan 18, 2018 9:07 AM
 

I have to agree with Tiggdad, Hatfield was a decent coach but never had any support. We had respectable records during those years, but the fun factor was gone from Clemson football. Still, he had his place in our history - his era led to Tommy I who led to Tommy II who hired Dabo, so it's all good now.


Ken Hatfield was a really good coach; Hatfield sucked.

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Posted: Jan 17, 2018 11:52 PM
 

The truth lies somewhere in between. The fact is, he was a good football coach, but he was the wrong coach, at the wrong place, at the wrong time. He was nothing like the wildly popular legend he replaced, and was a terrible fit for Clemson, which was a large part of his downfall. The irony is, the knuckleheads who hired him, hired him for that very reason, and they are largely to blame for what happened to Clemson football over the next decade-plus.

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Crappy hat, but 25+ years later I'd still wear the shirt.

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Posted: Jan 18, 2018 8:29 AM
 

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Kenny Hatfield was the delivery system

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Posted: Jan 18, 2018 8:43 AM
 

Bobby Robinson designed the demise of Clemson Football. Where else would a golf coach AD require the football coach to submit his gameplan for approval?


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Posted: Jan 18, 2018 9:12 AM
 

"Say what bruh!"




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Posted: Jan 18, 2018 9:19 AM
 

Hatfield coached at Clemson from 1990 to 1993, compiling a 32–13–1 record. In his second season, 1991, he led the Tigers to their last [[Atlantic Coast Conference]] title in the pre-championship game era. However, Hatfield was never really accepted by Clemson's fans. A common saying among Tiger fans during this time was "[[Frank Howard (American football coach)|Howard]] built it. Ford filled it. Hatfield killed it."

Largely due to this discontent, school officials refused to grant him a one-year extension on his contract after the 1993 season, even though the Tigers had rebounded from 5–6 in 1992 to a solid 8–3 record that year. Angered at what he saw as a lack of support, Hatfield resigned at the end of the regular season.clemson-coach-quits.html Clemson coach quits]. ''[[The New York Times]]'', November 25, 1993.

No one following Danny would have had a chance regardless of how good they were.

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I was there the day Ken Hatfield arrived

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Posted: Jan 18, 2018 9:29 AM
 

at Clemson. He walked into a no win
hostile environment. The conduct, comments,
gestures toward him by "some" so called
Clemson supporters was embarrassing, pathetic,
and sickening.
Hatfield was obviously not the right fit at
Clemson but he deserved much better than he
received. It probably took more courage, class,
and character to take that job than many would
have possessed.
I'm not sure why after all these years anyone
feels the need to continue the hostility and post an attack
toward this man.


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Posted: Jan 19, 2018 11:43 AM
 

Agreed


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