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How can anyone play this down?

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Aug 1, 2021, 11:16 PM
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“Boys will be boys.” Everyone was young and dumb at one point.” ????

What is known:
“The injuries the mail carrier sustained in this crash are severe and will require several months or longer for recovery,” police said it the Sunday statement.”

“Davis was unable to stop due to his speed at the time, police said. The football player is accused of driving 115 mph in a 55 mph zone.

The force of the impact caused the mail truck to flip over into oncoming traffic. Two other vehicles then collided with each other while attempting to avoid the mail truck.”

“Reckless disregard. Basically, a person acts with reckless disregard for the safety of others by knowingly doing something that poses a safety threat to other people. In other words, the person knows the conduct is dangerous but decides to do it anyway.”

The mail person may not be out of the woods with her recovery. If she succumbs to anything going forward, there can be a case, she would not have, if not for her injuries. She could still have a blood clot or something similar that is undetected.
A simple arthroscopic surgery and CJ Fuller passed (God Bless him and his family)

“Timing of the death. To be guilty of reckless vehicular homicide, the victim doesn't have to die right away. South Carolina's reckless vehicular homicide law applies if the victim dies within three years of the accident.”

Fred Davis knew wrong from right. He CHOSE to do what was not right. A person was severely injured. At a minimum they have to live with the scars and pain of his wanton disregard.

Flame away. If it happened to you or one of your loved ones, would you be saying, “Boys will be boys.” Or everyone was young and dumb at some point. Geesh… the lack of self awareness permeates.

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Well said

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Aug 1, 2021, 11:19 PM
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My prayers to the victim.

Very curious how Dabo will handle this.

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Re: Well said

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Aug 2, 2021, 6:45 AM
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Dabo will handle it appropriately. He always does.

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Aug 2, 2021, 9:26 AM
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I imagine the punishment will end up being somewhat more harsh than what people on this board feel is fair, yet far less harsh than what people on other boards feel is fair.

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Aug 1, 2021, 11:47 PM
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I did a lot of dumb, dangerous, reckless stuff when I was

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Aug 2, 2021, 12:01 AM
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young. I never physically injured anybody as far as I know, though I easily could have. No excuses, I was wrong, and should have paid the price had I been caught. Same goes for Fred or anybody else. I had some close calls, thankfully had good parents and good support system, and I learned from it all. I hope Fred does too. It's not an excuse at all, but it's just a fact that people that age often make stupid choices that they wouldn't make later in life with the benefit of maturity and life experience.

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Agree. This is not a situation anyone can assess from

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Aug 2, 2021, 12:39 AM
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our vantage point. While we all did things like this - I too drove a car over 100 mph at about his age, and did a number of similar things - I hadn't committed to helping a team of folks pursue goals that were inconsistent with that type of behavior. I hadn't promised people who were investing in me to show up every day, and to do what was necessary to do so. So, there is normal-if-stupid behavior on one hand, but promises and commitments on the other.

What this means for Davis and his position on the team we can't know, because we don't know whether this was a one off or a pattern. Only Dabo and a few others know, and Dabo has done the right thing in similar situations.

I can say that if I was one of the injured, or family of, I would not be in a boys will be boys attitude - by rights they should be dead - and the prosecutor has to represent them. So we'll have to see.

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He was charged with wreckless driving...

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Aug 2, 2021, 8:07 AM
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which is a misdemeanor in SC, so from a criminal standpoint, he'll receive a citation, pay a fine, have points deducted from his license, and that will be the end of it. To my knowledge, there are no other criminal charges pending.

From a civil standpoint, the victims may file law suits for damages (property damage and/or bodily injury), but all of that would be covered by insurance which is precisely why everyone is required by law to have it.




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I’m in disbelief in the people on here

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Aug 2, 2021, 11:13 AM
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trying to water this down. Maybe I misread your post but plenty of others are. If he had simply wrecked his car that would be one thing. The fact is his recklessness seriously injured another person, and nobody knows what difficulties or outcome lie ahead for that individual. The fact that our legislators haven’t appropriately addressed such a situation up until now doesn’t change it. To me this is no different than a DUI.

I’m not casting stones either because I had a Mustang GT back at that age that I sometimes liked to “see what it could do.” The difference is nothing ever happened to me like this. I was lucky. Dumb and lucky. Part of growing up but you have to be prepared to pay the consequences when things go wrong.

I can’t even imagine how that mail carrier’s family feels right now. There that person is just doing their job, trying to make a modest living and they end up seriously injured, in a hospital and looking at months of recovery. Their life may never be the same again. Hopefully their benefits are adequate. Most are not for long-term situations involving lost work and income. Most long term disability is about 60% or less of income, and a lot of people either aren’t offered it or don’t take it. Could you and your family get by on 60%?

My daughters use 123 regularly going back and forth between Greenville and Clemson to see each other. I can promise I’d be the one in danger of going to jail right now if he had hit one of them.

This is a very serious situation no matter what the law currently is. If I were Dabo, I’d make him make some sort of public statement/apology, miss a fair amount of playing time, take a driving course (which he’ll need for insurance anyway), and do some sort of service/restitution to that mail carrier and their family.

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Just to be clear...

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Aug 2, 2021, 11:39 AM
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I haven't taken a position on the kids actions.

I simply outlined, at least from a legal standpoint, what the likely outcome might be.

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Re: Just to be clear...

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Aug 2, 2021, 11:59 AM
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That’s cool. I mean I think an obvious position should be taken but that’s your choice. I apologize for lumping you in with some of the others.

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From a legal/criminal standpoint...

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Aug 2, 2021, 12:25 PM
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you can't impose a punishment that is greater than what the law allows. Do we wish we could, especially if you're that woman or her family? Most assuredly.

While there are a lot of nuances, from a civil standpoint, his excess speed merits punitive damages, so a jury (should it ever come to that), could slap him with a judgment that may take him the remainder of his life to pay.




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Yawn...get over yourself dude.***


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Re: He was charged with wreckless driving...

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Aug 2, 2021, 11:40 AM
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Insurance only covers up to the limit purchased by the insured. The vast majority of SC drivers have 50-100-50 (or less).

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Aug 2, 2021, 6:44 AM
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I just looked up reckless driving in Georgia. The serious injury part changes the charge from a misdemeanor to a felony. I believe the Davis wreck will be used as an example to get the current felony bill into law in SC. As it stands now, this is a misdemeanor. Clemson has a handbook that outlines punishments for misdemeanor charges. Dabo will handle this appropriately.

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Aug 2, 2021, 7:04 AM
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Fans being fans. Doesn't matter the specifics.

Player of school A does action Z
Fans of school A look for reasons to mitigate Z.
Fans of school B (rival of A) look for ways to intensify Z.

I lived it just a few years ago with Jamies Winston. FSU fans were continually paining him as a "great young kid who just made a few minor mistakes and is misunderstood."

I don't have to read a coot board to know what they are saying about Davis. And if Davis wore a crimson or black jersey on Saturdays I think I have a pretty good idea what folks on this board would be saying about his actions.

It's just fans being fans. Nothing objective about the way we look at things. Every fan, to some degree or another has tinted glasses when looking at the world of sports.

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Don't make too much sense, now.

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Aug 2, 2021, 9:23 AM
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You'll confuse the ones who post with emotion alone. There's lots of them.

It doesn't matter what any of us think about Fred. He messed up and will have to face the consequences of his actions. Dabo will determine whether he ultimately gets to play again. The insurance companies will handle the money. A small court will handle what happens with his license, any community service, ect. The final outcome isn't clear yet but you can pretty much bet on his insurance premiums skyrocketing.

Your A fans and B fans thing is spot on. All the grandstanding now is just risking people looking like idiots: there's folks hoping a dude that drove 115 mph and put someone in the hospital gets off with a slap on the wrist, and there's folks hoping his life is entirely destroyed by this accident. An accident which he is 100% at fault, and will face consequences, but an accident nonetheless.

The best thing to do imo is to just offer up prayers for any injured parties and then move on, reading other news while waiting to hear how this plays out.

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Aug 2, 2021, 9:33 AM
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Exactly. There would be no "boys will be boys" or "the coach will handle things" comments if it was a coot or any other rival that did this. Good to see that a decent amount of posters have shown some objectivity with the seriousness of this action.

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Aug 2, 2021, 11:53 AM
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Brett, I agree with your comments though I have to put Winston in a different box. Guy is a thug. Spoiled athlete never held fully accountable after multiple infractions. Nothing he was guilty of could be considered an accident. While I see Davis’s actions as beyond stupid and criminal at that, I can assure his intentions were not to have injured another person. No excuse and he should suffer the consequences of his actions accordingly.

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Aug 2, 2021, 1:12 PM
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I agree with you on Winston. Was just pointing out what many, actually most, FSU fans were saying about him.

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Okay. I’m not disagreeing with you. But what would you like to happen?***

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suspend his license for some yrs..safe driving school until

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Aug 2, 2021, 9:01 AM
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memorizes the rules and regulations for the state of SC. HAve his insurance balloon as it will to pay off medical bills of the victim. Basically keep him off the road for as long as possible. If it were my son i'd expect the same.

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So in other words, you want to rewrite the law?***

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wasn't the question***

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Aug 2, 2021, 10:13 AM
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I believe this is an overly dramatic take on this story. Prayers for the mail carrier and their family.

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Lots of self importance and virtue signaling here lately.***


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Re: Have you ever raised boys?

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Aug 2, 2021, 10:13 AM
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Aug 2, 2021, 10:43 AM
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Where did the 115 come from? Was he actually timed.?

In any event this should not happen. No way can we support the kid in this foolish event. Let’s hope that those Injured heal completely and quickly. Dabo will do what he has to do.

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Aug 2, 2021, 2:27 PM
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They can figure out speed based on the length of the skid marks, as well as in-vehicle data about distance over time. Larry Williams from TI tweeted the police reports and they go in-depth how they calculated speed.

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Anyone on Here Who Has Never Driven 100MPH or Maybe

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Aug 2, 2021, 11:16 AM
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Raced a buddy a bit please post and say so. I don't condone it, but I get it.

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Aug 2, 2021, 11:23 AM
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Everybody keeps throwing out that "insurance will take care" of the postal worker. First, do we know how much liability insurance the young man was carrying? In Ga, you can have a minimum of $25,000 coverage and be legal. I'm not sure what it is in SC but my point is I don't think we can just assume a 20 year old was paying for hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of liability coverage on his vehicle.

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Aug 2, 2021, 11:31 AM
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SC is 25 also. People are speaking in generalities and not really thinking through it.

Health insurance has deductibles and co-pays. After you use up your medical and personal days, you can end up on long term disability if you’re fortunate enough to even have it. That probably replaces 50-60% of your income. If you end up in a situation where you need custodial or long-term skilled care, you could be looking at anywhere from $32k to $95k per year. They will look to the insurance first and sue for the rest.

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The Postal worker is most likely covered by...

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Aug 2, 2021, 11:34 AM
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workers compensation insurance. That coverage would be primary and the WC carrier would then subrogate against the responsible party or the liability insurance carrier for the responsible party.

You do bring up a good point about the limits or amount of coverage a driver may have. Minimum liability insurance limits in SC are $25,000 per person and $50,000 per occurrence which is pretty low (that amount used to be $15,000 per person and $30,000 per occurrence). That's why drivers are offered and should also carry underinsured motorist coverage as well.

That said, it's a safe assumption that the car was insured by the kids parents and carried more than the minimum limits required by law.




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Re: The Postal worker is most likely covered by...

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Aug 2, 2021, 11:44 AM
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Why is it safe to assume that? 1 in 8 are uninsured in the country and some states have twice that amount. Many of those are in the south. From working in that industry with one of the largest companies, I can safely say that many opt for the minimum.

If they have a good agent, they may have adequate limits. They may even have an umbrella policy.

I don’t know anything about Davis and his family, but many of our players come from some tough circumstances.

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At the end of the day, you can't assume anything...

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Aug 2, 2021, 12:32 PM
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but if you have a college age kid driving a fairly new Dodge Charger, and you're only carrying minimum limits, you should have your head examined because you've clearly lost your friggin' mind.

I get it though. In many cases, the cost of the car breaks the bank so minimum insurance limits are all that's now affordable.




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AL temporary plates... Probably AL insurance policy. New?***

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Re: AL temporary plates... Probably AL insurance policy. New?***


Aug 2, 2021, 2:20 PM
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Hard to say. I believe he’s from FL but no idea where his family lives now. The AL temp tag could just be from where he bought it. I had GA temp tags on both of the cars I bought for my kids until I went to the SC DMV.

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Aug 2, 2021, 12:01 PM
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I don't think anyone should be playing it down. This one is pretty bad. Someone was seriously injured. What punishment happens to Fred via dabo is not as important as him making the postal carrier as whole as possible afterwards. That would be the right thing to do.

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Aug 2, 2021, 12:33 PM
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Yep that’s how I look at it. Davis needs to admit he was wrong, apologize to all he has let down (including CU and CU Football), and make things right with the person he hurt. In the end, that will benefit him as well.

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