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Clemson Sports Icon [56312]
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Half of the 16 national seeds
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May 26, 2025, 2:07 PM
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Belong to the $EC which is mind boggling if you think about it.
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Re: Half of the 16 national seeds
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May 26, 2025, 2:11 PM
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Well, all the other conferences are letting the esecpn conference take over everything.
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It doesnt help
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May 26, 2025, 2:16 PM
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Having Jim Phillips as our commissioner.
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I'm starting to think University Presidents may not be that smart.
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May 26, 2025, 2:18 PM
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or eSECpn has some pretty damning blackmail material on most of them.
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Clemson Conqueror [11231]
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Hey!!
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May 26, 2025, 3:13 PM
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It’s “Jim Phillips, phd” according to ACCN.
Have some respect.
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Clemson Sports Icon [59528]
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Does he want to be called Dr. Jill....I mean Jim?***
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Re: Half of the 16 national seeds
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May 26, 2025, 2:11 PM
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yeah its not like ESPN gets involved and manipulates these things (sarcasm)
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Re: Half of the 16 national seeds
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May 26, 2025, 2:12 PM
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I hate the SEC as much as the next guy. When you get the largest check to buy facilities, players and coaches with it only makes sense you would have a better chance of being good.
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Re: Half of the 16 national seeds
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May 26, 2025, 2:47 PM
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This. Each year that goes by it really is less and less about bias. The money advantage has really started to show up the last few years and is going to exponentially increase each year. Praying Clemson will be out of the ACC in the next two years max. What a mess
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National Champion [7446]
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Tell me how the money the SEC gets has helped them?
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May 26, 2025, 4:31 PM
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They’ve literally made money than everyone for decades.
TV does what exactly? That we can’t do?
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National Champion [7446]
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You cant use *checks* to buy players. When are some of you gonna get it?
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May 26, 2025, 4:30 PM
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Money from TV, concessions, fan donations to IPTAY… none of that can go towards NIL and “buying” players. Only collectives and companies can pay the kids.
As far as facilities, we have everything we need. No one in the SEC is building facilities that we don’t have.
Clemson has the money and program support. We will continue to be one of the top 15-20 most lucrative programs in the country, we have a top NIL program, and money is no problem for us.
Some of you folks need to get this through your head. That huge TV contract is not permissible towards NIL. It literally doesn’t matter if the SEC makes more than is; we have everything we need.
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Commissioner [1297]
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Re: You cant use *checks* to buy players. When are some of you gonna get it?
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May 26, 2025, 4:55 PM
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Agree you can’t buy a player with tv money but you can have the best facilities coaches equipment with tv money. Now you can use boosters to supply nil money instead of build facilities. Clemson can do the same but they have to be short in facilities coaches equipment or player money because booster pay for most of it.
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National Champion [7446]
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Maybe you didnt fully read that?
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May 26, 2025, 5:45 PM
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And you first said it would buy players, so don’t now go saying you knew you couldn’t.
What facilities are we lacking? What does the SEC have that we don’t?
Which sport would we fire the coach and get another, but only if we had more money?
You’re just not seeing this correctly bud. We have the money. We have the admin support. We have facilities. We have coaches. And we have the NIL
Stop fretting over SEC TV money until you can actually quantify what it’s doing that we don’t have.
The end.
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Commissioner [1297]
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Re: Maybe you didnt fully read that?
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May 26, 2025, 6:31 PM
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I guess you are right they just put their tv money in the bank and save it for a rainy day. Maybe you can explain to me how the SEC teams keep winning the bidding wars on the players. Do you comprehend tv money eases the money draw from the donors?
Since you we stated we have everything we need why are we not top 5 in any sport this year?
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National Champion [7446]
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What bidding wars? We are 5th in recruiting right now.
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May 26, 2025, 8:09 PM
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Our NIL primarily goes to keep the talent on the team, and we don’t enter into any bidding wars.
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Commissioner [1297]
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Re: What bidding wars? We are 5th in recruiting right now.
May 26, 2025, 9:55 PM
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I agree our nil goes to retention. That is because we can not afford to have many misses. So we pay them after they prove they are worth it. Texas a&m paid jimbo 75 million to go away could we have done that NOPE. Since NIL how many Elite hs players have we signed? We are some of their dream schools until the talk to other schools and are paid millions to play for them. I can’t fault the kids you can go to Tenn and get multi millions before you play a game or come to Clemson and hope you a good enough to be a star and get paid.
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National Champion [7446]
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Please stop making it up as you go.
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May 27, 2025, 10:17 AM
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1. NIL money does not come from the school.
2. Our NIL program was a pioneer concept and is one of the best in the country.
2. We have all the facilities and better than most. We are not losing a single recruit due to facilities.
3. We have one of every best coaches in the game today and one who is quickly staking his claim for one of the best coaches of all time.
You sir have lost this debate. Please don’t make up anymore crap. Thanks.
Go Tigers!!
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Re: Please stop making it up as you go.
May 27, 2025, 10:24 AM
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Lol I am not wasting anymore of my time arguing with you. You have convinced me money doesn’t matter OH St did not buy a natty and our decline has nothing to do with nil.
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National Champion [7446]
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Youre being disingenuous.
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May 27, 2025, 10:31 AM
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If Ohio State is your argument that we haven’t won national championships because of money we pay, or coaches, or facilities or whatever, then you have zero argument.
If you are able, you can take the number by number approach to a more logical and data based assessment.
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Commissioner [1297]
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Re: Youre being disingenuous.
May 27, 2025, 10:53 AM
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Ok you pulled me back in. Simple math
TV money goes to school for expenses
Donations through iptay come from bosters goes to school for expenses
NIL comes from boosters
More money spent on iptay for expenses less money boosters can give to nil
Example A texas offensive lineman that is on their team gets an extra 50k from nil. 3rd string OG gets 50k at texas. At clemson I doubt he gets any extra money. Do you think texas would have an advantage over us building positional depth with their offensive line?
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National Champion [7446]
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Youre making me laugh now bud.
May 27, 2025, 1:10 PM
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Please take another look at your silly story. Again, TV money does not go to players, and we have ZERO issues with IPTAY or NIL. If we want to pay an OL like Texas, then we can. And too, Texas is a bad example when you’re acting like everyone g changed just because of the NIL era.
It’s okay to admit when your claims are made null, regardless of how many ways you try to create it.
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Commissioner [1297]
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Re: Youre making me laugh now bud.
May 27, 2025, 1:45 PM
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I wish I could live in your fantasy land. I hope what you believe is true.
Go Tigers
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National Champion [7446]
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You have stated nothing of substance. Nothing you tried is verified and hasnt
May 27, 2025, 1:48 PM
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come close to sticking.
We have everything we need and money is of ZERO concern.
What are you saying about fantasy?
Hey speaking of that, do you remember what started all this - when you said TV money was going to players? That was funny.
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National Champion [7446]
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May 27, 2025, 1:15 PM
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We pay our talented guys MONEY to stay at Clemson. That IS recruiting talent so to speak. If someone else chooses to give it to a freshman or unsure transfer, then so be it, but we are spending just as much as anyone.
We have a now after struggling through the DJ era (impossible to be elite with that QB) and. A developmental season for Cade. Last year we sank defensively after being 8th the year before. We have talent - now we got the coaching. Speaking of that, do you think we paid a good bit of money to lure Tom Allen away from a playoff team in Penn State? Hmm, coaching money doesn’t seem to be an issue.
If NIL is your only argument, then you have failed for several reasons.
Have a good day. Go Tigers!
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National Champion [7446]
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Might also want to check out overall talent per services like 247
May 27, 2025, 1:22 PM
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Acting like we don’t have talent is incorrect.
Our issues since the 2020 playoff have been:
1. 2 yrs of DJU
2. A year where Cade was in need of development while the defense finished 8th.
3. A year where Cade got close to elite status but the defense fell off the map. Oh, we did make the playoffs though and gave your example Texas a helluva ride and may have won with a defense.
I’m just arbitrarily shooting holes in your attempts. It’s all good buddy, but it’s time to admit it:
We are not lacking ANYTHING.
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Re: I dare you to look at the top 10 of revenue and tell me how many of them
May 26, 2025, 9:48 PM
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Oh St highest nil won the natty.
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National Champion [7446]
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And they have had one of the best rosters and money for decades.
May 27, 2025, 1:18 PM
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So one national championship for one team is all of your data?
Come on man. Just stop.
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National Champion [7446]
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And additionally, what do we need but cant get because we
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May 26, 2025, 8:14 PM
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don’t have the money.
You do know there isn’t much correlation between who has the most money and who ends up in the playoffs every year, right?
This year I think it was 2 or 3 of the top 10 highest revenues even made the playoffs. Texas A&M comes immediately to mind to say winning at the highest level is not guaranteed regardless of money. By the same token, money is not holding us back in any way, shape, or form.
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Re: And additionally, what do we need but cant get because we
May 26, 2025, 10:00 PM
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There is a direct correlation of money and who makes the playoffs every year. You already proved this by saying Clemson has as much money as anyone.
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National Champion [7446]
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Maybe a little, but we are in that equation.
May 27, 2025, 1:26 PM
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You just keep making the same mistake over and over. We have the money. We don’t lack a thing.
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Re: You cant use *checks* to buy players. When are some of you gonna get it?
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May 26, 2025, 5:29 PM
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Some of you need to get it through your head that 100000000% positive media coverage, most lucrative deals, and biggest support in every single sport “playoff” is a bigger recruiting tool than majority of schools have. To act like it’s not a thing is ####### stupid.
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National Champion [7446]
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Youre obviously misunderstanding.
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May 26, 2025, 5:48 PM
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This has nothing to do with SEC media bias.
We have EVERYTHING we need. More money would be cool, but for what? What don’t we have that we need more money to get.
We’re talking about money here, not media bias. Granted, that’s an issue, but OBVIOUSLY all we have to do is win and they can’t ignore us.
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National Champion [7446]
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The top 20 highest revenue schools
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May 26, 2025, 8:22 PM
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Please show me how we are hurt by money.
1. Ohio State University $1.32B
2. University of Texas at Austin $1.28B
3. Texas A&M University $1.26B
4. University of Michigan $1.06B
5. University of Alabama $978M
6. University of Notre Dame $969M
7. University of Georgia $950M
8. University of Nebraska $943M
9. University of Tennessee $940M
10. University of Oklahoma $928M
11. Penn State University $924M
12. University of So Cal $923M
13. Louisiana State University $916M
14. University of Florida $865M
15. University of Wisconsin $838M
16. Clemson University $800M
17. University of Oregon $780M
18. University of Arkansas $776M
19. University of Kentucky $775M
20. Auburn University $772M
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And you buy huge schools..texas, am, oklahoma
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May 27, 2025, 10:13 AM
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These 3 schools made it to post season before they were sec.
The SEC didn't magically make them better.
Nil did.
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National Champion [7446]
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Who are those schools and before you answer -
May 27, 2025, 1:28 PM
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Have they always had money and talent? Are they paying substantially more or any more NIL money than us?
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this is the eSECpn business plan. Not surprising.
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Re: this is the eSECpn business plan. Not surprising.
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May 26, 2025, 2:35 PM
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Name some teams non sec that have a beef for a top 8 seed and didn’t get one. I can’t think of any.
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Re: this is the eSECpn business plan. Not surprising.
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May 26, 2025, 2:40 PM
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Top 8, Top 16, whatever.
Anyway, what's meant by "business plan" is a long-term strategy to use their dominant position in sportscasting to hype the conference they bought over any other, actively encourage top recruits to only go to their Big Boy conference, actively discourage top recruits from going to other wimpy conferences, in particularly one in their conference's footprint, trap* this other conference that is in their conference's footprint into a long-term contract that guarantees that conference will get half the money of their conference, thus inevitably making all the early, lying, wish-casting come true. Oh, and encourage the top teams in other conferences to join your conference.
I'm not saying this strategy doesn't work. It obviously works. Obviously.
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* trap: appeal to the vanity of venal fat Swoffie (who literally sweats gravy and only cares about the financial interests of himself, his family, and his beloved Tar Holes) by promising his "legacy" of an ACC Network, similar in name to the SEC Network, but sucky. The "negotiations" must have been hilarious since they knew they were dealing with a stupid greedy person.
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What regional are yall in, loser?***
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Heisman Winner [79508]
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what do you mean? It's like they are in 13 of them. It just means MOAR.
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May 26, 2025, 5:25 PM
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They couldn't be prouder. To save money, they just wear this and chant SEC, SEC, SEC in their trailer.
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Re: this is the eSECpn business plan. Not surprising.
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UNC should be a top 4 seed if none of the conference championships matter besides the sec than any team playing in them are idiots. I would forfeit the first game next year and rest for regionals
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E$ecPN
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E$ecPN
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I'm sensing a trend here***
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The last 5 champions have hailed form the SEC
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6 of the last 7
10 of the last 15
so it kinda tracks...
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Re: The last 5 champions have hailed form the SEC
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May 26, 2025, 5:29 PM
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I like that you went back 15 years because it was the last time you guys were nationally relevant. Props to you on that one.
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Re: Half of the 16 national seeds
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May 26, 2025, 4:39 PM
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To be the best, you have to beat the best. Look at records, RPI etc and you would not be posting that junk.
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