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If Dabo wants players treated like students
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why don't he donate 8.5 million back to the university and just accept a professors salary?
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There are lame takes, then there are
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REALLY LAME takes. Congrats on the latter.
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False . . .
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you missed one. It was a really, REALLY lame take.
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Re: If Dabo wants players treated like students
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Re: If Dabo wants players treated like students
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Jan 19, 2023, 4:35 PM
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Because Dabo is not a professor!
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His logic is sound
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Jan 19, 2023, 4:37 PM
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No Dabo isn't a professor but he is an employee of the college and football players aren't just students.
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No, it's really not.
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Jan 19, 2023, 4:41 PM
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Dabo and his program are bringing in over $100 million every year to the university. Supply and demand dictate Dabo's salary.
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I agree
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Jan 19, 2023, 4:49 PM
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Thanks for making the OPs point.
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Quite the opposite actually.***
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Jan 19, 2023, 5:24 PM
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Legend [19538]
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His entire point is that Dabo wants players treated like
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Jan 20, 2023, 10:59 AM
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normal students and not paid. But he doesn't want to be treated like a normal employee and paid a normal 6 figure salary because he generates the school 100s of millions of dollars. Ironic right?
How are you guys not understanding his point? His point isn't that Dabo makes too much. His point is that the players are not just normal students for the same reason Dabo isn't a normal employee.
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Wouldn't it be fair to say
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Jan 20, 2023, 11:25 AM
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that when Dabo says he thinks players should be treated like students, he's presumably **not** intending to say that they ought to be treated **exactly** like any other (non-football player) student, in **every respect** . . . but merely that they ought to be treated as students all the same . . . since, indeed, they are students.
There is a difference between football players not being treated any different than anyone else at all (which I don't think Dabo is saying), vs. them being treated like students all the same, even if there are some differences related to their football commitments.
Just b/c they aren't treated exactly like every other student doesn't mean they shouldn't be treated as students **at all,** does it?
Reasonable enough?
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and normal students have to meet higher grade standards
Jan 20, 2023, 2:10 PM
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to get in and have to pay for things like, tutition, books, room, food, clothing, health care...none of which the football players have to pay for, not to mention their cash stipend they now receive for "incidentals".
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Re: No, it's really not.
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Dabo and his players are bringing in over $100 million every year to the university, which is why some people think players should also be allowed to get paid according to supply and demand.
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eggzactly***
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I have no issues with stipends being given to players and caps on NIL.
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Jan 19, 2023, 5:26 PM
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But that doesn't mean Dabo should reduce his salary to a professor's pay. Correct?
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Re: I have no issues with stipends being given to players and caps on NIL.
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Jan 19, 2023, 5:36 PM
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You are really missing the point
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Are you sure?
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The OP:
"why don't he donate 8.5 million back to the university and just accept a professors salary?"
What am I not understanding?
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Re: I have no issues with stipends being given to players and caps on NIL.
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You really have no point and you probably think the coaches’ salary comes from the state. Guys like you are clueless morons. Without Dabo your football team would be millions less financially so maybe the donations should come from the professors back to Dabo.
It’s a proven fact that winning football teams add to enrollment. Look it up for yourself, brainless
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I don't think everything is reported in there, like concessions, merch, parking, etc.
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That, plus our average home attendance was 80,694.
At $75 avg per ticket, that's $42,364,350 in ticket sales for (7) home games
At $50 avg per ticket, that's $28,242,900 for (7) home games.
Split the difference and call it $62.50 per ticket, and that's $35,283,937.5 per year.
Parking, merch, concessions, speaking tour revenue, several other things...
Plus, I don't think the numbers you showed (thanks for that) corresponds to a season where bowl money includes playoff payouts and revenue.
Is about $100 better?... in any case the point about the incredible revenue stands. Football pays the majority of bills. Dabo obviously should not be considered a professor.
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Sweet - lets play 22 basketball players on the court and
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sub three deep - instant natty and Clemson will be rich!!!
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Re: No, it's really not.
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If Clemson had a sports team with 300 players whic generated ‘only’ twice the revenue as FB, then that other sports team would the most valuable.
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Re: No, it's really not.
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Almost all schools use football programs revenue to fund entire schools athletic program. Even smaller colleges if the football program that created biggest source of revenue. Even with top basketball programs they can't generate football time revenue. Clemson doesn't average 80,000 fans in basketball probably most basketball games under 10,000 fans. NIL so far biggest disaster cause no real rule book.
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Re: His logic is sound
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His logic is not even close to sound. Do you think the President of the University makes the same as a professor? On the reverse side, do you think the custodial staff makes what a professor makes?
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Even professor salaries very widely from one to the other.
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Jan 19, 2023, 4:49 PM
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Ask the guy teaching English Lit how he likes his salary compared to his colleague in Engineering.
And actually, several professors make more than the president of the university.
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No nor should they
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You're helping make the OPs point
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Re: No nor should they
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If you say so.
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players can't be non-students
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Jan 19, 2023, 5:13 PM
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and lol at $120-160......
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Re: players can't be non-students
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It's funny because it no where even close to what these men
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Jan 19, 2023, 5:19 PM
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generate....
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Re: It's funny because it no where even close to what these men
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Re: It's funny because it no where even close to what these men
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They can’t go to the nfl out of hs
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Re: It's funny because it no where even close to what these men
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Re: It's funny because it no where even close to what these men
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It's the NFL's rules. The NFL and the NFL Player's Association (the player's union) have collectively bargained to include an age limit on who can be hired to be an NFL player. They seem unlikely unwilling to change that rule.
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Re: It's funny because it no where even close to what these men
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I've heard where the cost of a scholarship and everything the players get is more like
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Jan 19, 2023, 5:32 PM
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$250~$300k per year.
An option would be to pay them and let the players pay their way. I have a feeling that be fraught with a myriad of issues though.
The players are getting phenomenal benefits as-is though. Every facet of their life in college is paid for, and rhen some.
Again, no issues with an increased stipend and capping NILs and whatnot, but it's nonsensical to say they're not getting numerous benefits (with monetary value) that Joe Student isn't getting.
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Re: players can't be non-students
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It’s over the 120 number. They pay for most of their meals if not all their meals, room and board and their education.
Football pays most of the athletic bills, and we have numerous sports. If the football players can be paid why can’t the women’s softball team.
Clemson gives them the opportunity to showcase their talents nationally, and can use that for exposure for a chance to play at the next level. Clemson offers them a free education. If they get a degree then that’s worth another chunk of change.
Degree has to be worth something and they get that for free. Wish my kid had the same opportunity.
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Re: His logic is sound
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And "just students" don't get all expense paid, including tuition, board (including unbelievable nutrition), medical, transportation, tutoring, fun time playground that is in the Reeves football complex, professional training and workout facilities, life/financial coaches, Paw Journey, etc.
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drop in the bucket***
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Re: drop in the bucket***
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No it is not. Clemson spends a fortune on those athletic perks.
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You can't be serious.
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Jan 19, 2023, 6:14 PM
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$250~$300k per player per year is a mere "drop in the bucket" and similar to Joe Student benefits?
Come on man.
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Re: His logic is sound, but facts are weak
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To my understanding, new OC Garett Riley’s contract has a somewhat similar structure to that of most Clemson FB and BB coaches, including Dabo’s contract.
The base salary which is in the range of $300,000 is paid by the university. I do not believe that this component is guaranteed.
The bonus aspect of the contract which pays million(s) of $$$ may be guaranteed, and is paid by IPTAY.
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IPTAY, which for the sake of brevity is, using shorthand slang, is kind of like a contractor that does work for Clemson, can pay its subcontractors however it pleases.
University professors are not typically target subcontractors for IPTAY.
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Share this with your friends who are unhappy that our coaches often receive more compensation than professors.
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Re: His logic is sound
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Actually they are just students that play a sport. If they weren't student just football players then IPTAY wouldn't be needed to provide scholarships for their education and the center to help them with their classes. I agree most football coaches are paid crazy salaries but a lot of them give back to their colleges. Dabo and Saban have done it. If the case of Dabo and Rooster HC I think university pays part and SC legislature pays part. Not sure it other states do it that way.
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Not sound but you and the thread starter's minds work in a similar way. ¹Declarative statement about a subject,²followed by broader loosely connected half notions, as your proof.
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Re: Pffft, it's not like Dabo produces the type of revenue
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I hope he sends Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawerence a nice Christmas present every year.
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So coaches should send checks to all successful players in the league?
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Coot?
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Re: Why does this topic upset you? Do you feel slighted..
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There's only so much money to go around. Paying the players means there's less money to pay the coaches with, so it's not surprising that many coaches are opposed to it.
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Or less money for the real fat cats behind the scenes***
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Re: Or less money for the real fat cats behind the scenes***
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It's only ruining it for the "old men yelling at clouds" types
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that view it as a taboo and it grinds their gears.....They can't stand the thought of these kids not being "grateful" for their pinch of bread in tuition off the billion dollar loaf.....
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Re: It's only ruining it for the "old men yelling at clouds" types
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Re: It's only ruining it for the "old men yelling at clouds" types
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Personal attacks lol good grief
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Sorry, but it's not a old man, get off my lawn affair.
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It's the difference between college and professional. Now that the line is blurred, you've got nothing but lawlessness amongst children with no real life experience.
I'd be fine if every player signed a contract and got paid, but the player became obligated for some period of time. That and non-disclosure of the amounts until their collegiate career was over.
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I don't think coaches are worried about losing money to players.
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I think they're much more concerned with the cluster-eff it will create.
Again, an option is to pay players then let them cover all their expenses. The $250-$300k in annual expenses per player is a significant amount that cannot be ignored in this discussion. It's not like these guys aren't getting "paid" for playing.
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Re: Why does this topic upset you? Do you feel slighted..
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Schools cannot pay players NIL money. Schools "pay" players via the scholarships, room-and-board, and those training room extras, and a small stipend.
Cutting coaches salaries would not enable a school to pay players any more than they are already paying.
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I think the money for coaches and then NIL
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money are completely separate streams. Clemson cannot pay the players anything, but they do pay the coaches. The collective's are all separate in terms of where the money comes from.
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Your post is going over everyone's heads lol***
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Re: If Dabo wants players treated like students
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Re: If Dabo wants players treated like students
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Sorry for the fat-finger TD. I'll make it up with a couple extra TUs.
Wish we could "undo" a mistaken TU or TD.
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No worries.
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Re: If Dabo wants players treated like students
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Really dumb post. Our players, and all college athletes, are students.
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Oculus Spirit [76638]
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^^Really dumb poster.***
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Jan 19, 2023, 5:07 PM
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Re: If Dabo wants players treated like students
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Jan 19, 2023, 5:20 PM
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What you just said makes no #### sense
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Re: If Dabo wants players treated like students
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Jan 19, 2023, 5:22 PM
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Welp this is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read in here, maybe he wants them treated as students because they are students.
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Re: If Dabo wants players treated like students
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Jan 19, 2023, 5:27 PM
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why don't he donate 8.5 million back to the university and just accept a professors salary?
How do you know he does not donate?
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Re: If Dabo wants players treated like students
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Jan 19, 2023, 5:41 PM
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Ahhhh! you are a poster that doesn't make sense. Players are students. Dabo
is a professor of football 101.
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Re: If Dabo wants players treated like students
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Jan 19, 2023, 5:42 PM
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Idiot with no pulse, GO AWAY!
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Orange Blooded [2692]
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Let me explain this in language you'll understand
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Jan 19, 2023, 5:51 PM
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No way in Mother******* he** any piece of **** Cork****** gonna tell me how much godd*** money i can mother******* make!
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Re: If Dabo wants players treated like students
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Jan 19, 2023, 6:01 PM
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No. The simple fix here a salary band for for the year of the player. Should've been done from tbe start.
Freshman. 0-250k
Sophomore. 251k-500k
Junior without degree. 500k- 1 million
Senior or any year with degree completion is Unlimited
This allows for substantial earnings by the student athlete, while protecting the identity of the institution of learning simultaneously. You must have guardrails that protect these young people and promote getting a degree!!
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Re: If Dabo wants players treated like students
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Jan 19, 2023, 6:31 PM
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I am old as dirt. I lived in Columbia when I was very young and I can vividly recall driving by Bull Street and seeing hundreds to thousands of crazy people, often wearing white hospital gowns, milling around on the grounds of the state sanitarium. It was an amazing and sad to funny thing to see.
Sometimes I wonder where all those crazy folks are today. Then I read Tigernet and just think, "Well here they are."
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Re: If Dabo wants players treated like students
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Jan 19, 2023, 6:57 PM
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Looks as if you donated a lot of your tiger pulse.
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Re: If Dabo wants players treated like students
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Jan 19, 2023, 7:29 PM
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He's probably just waiting on you give all of your stuff to the homeless.
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doesn’t. Verb tense is 4th grade stuff, dog.***
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Jan 19, 2023, 7:54 PM
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Re: If Dabo wants players treated like students
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Jan 19, 2023, 7:55 PM
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Re: If Dabo wants players treated like students
Jan 19, 2023, 8:21 PM
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dabo really should just split his salary evenly with everyone
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Re: If Dabo wants players treated like students
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Jan 19, 2023, 8:44 PM
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Dabo's state funded salary is $245K.The rest is thru endorsements, contracts, Tv. etc. A lot of Clemson admins and professors make more than that is state tax dollars and some professor money come from grants some professors generate. Beamer's State salary was $1.1+MasisClayton White and Staley.
Dabo generates millions and donates millions
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Re: If Dabo wants players treated like students
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Jan 20, 2023, 9:48 AM
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State have to pay for Rooster Coaches salaried cause they don't have IPTAY etc to pay the rest.
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Coot Post***
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Jan 19, 2023, 9:26 PM
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Lmao... focus more on winning more than 7 games a year
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Jan 19, 2023, 9:42 PM
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Instead of Dabo's salary, coot.
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Re: If Dabo wants players treated like students
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Jan 19, 2023, 9:45 PM
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What an idiotic statement. Go back take another 20 years or so and see if you can do better next time!!
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If Coach Smart
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Jan 20, 2023, 7:15 AM
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wants hair that looks decent shouldn't he go to a stylist (or at least Great Clips) instead of just slapping on a visor and looking like a novelty from Spencer's or the State Fair?
Don't you need to go polish the dog slobber off your trophy? Just go back to the bridge you crawled out from underneath because you certainly aren't needed at this location.
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He makes what a professor that generates massive $$$$ makes***
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Jan 20, 2023, 7:30 AM
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Legend [19538]
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There's a whole lot of "over your head" in this post
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Jan 20, 2023, 11:00 AM
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The OP's entire point is that Dabo wants players treated like normal students and not paid. But he doesn't want to be treated like a normal employee and paid a normal 6 figure salary because he generates the school 100s of millions of dollars. Ironic right?
How are you guys not understanding his point? His point isn't that Dabo makes too much. His point is that the players are not just normal students for the same reason Dabo isn't a normal employee.
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CU Guru [1994]
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Time for an NFL minor league then.Do away with "scholarships***
Jan 20, 2023, 11:48 AM
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Orange Blooded [2750]
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Duh . . . probably
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Jan 20, 2023, 11:19 AM
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b/c how much a professor gets paid isn't part of how students are treated.
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