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Orange Immortal [65912]
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Let's start here . . .
Jun 11, 2025, 11:05 AM
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with THIS simple question, without any other considerations, no qualifications, with no ifs ands or buts. All of those are separate issues that start with establishing a clear position on this one, and should only be addressed once this has been done.
Do we have the right to deport people who are here illegally? The only answers are "yes" or "no".
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Yes. Haven't we done this before?***
Jun 11, 2025, 11:07 AM
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Orange Immortal [65912]
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I guess I missed it.
Jun 11, 2025, 11:08 AM
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What were the answers, or do you have a link?
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Tiger Titan [49072]
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I coulda sworn you asked this before but maybe not.***
Jun 11, 2025, 4:34 PM
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Orange Immortal [65912]
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It's entirely possible.***
Jun 11, 2025, 8:21 PM
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Yes***
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Jun 11, 2025, 11:13 AM
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Top TigerNet [31652]
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Yes***
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Jun 11, 2025, 11:15 AM
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Head Coach [928]
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Yes.***
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Jun 11, 2025, 11:16 AM
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Head Coach [917]
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Re: Let's start here . . .
Jun 11, 2025, 11:22 AM
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I won't give that simple answer if just yes or no. I will give a simple yes that we have the right to do so though. I absolutely oppose deporting them all, but the government does have that right.
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Orange Immortal [65912]
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So people should be rewarded or excused for willfully breaking our laws
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Jun 11, 2025, 11:41 AM
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en masse?
Or is it that these are good people who were justified in breaking our laws?
Or is it that the cost of enforcing these laws is too great and impractical?
Or is it that enforcing these laws will be really difficult for the people who broke our laws as well as their friends and families?
I am truly interested in why people think our laws should not be enforced.
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Head Coach [917]
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Re: So people should be rewarded or excused for willfully breaking our laws
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Jun 11, 2025, 3:49 PM
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Yeah I am cool with them working here and making a living. I support. I think it's great. I like how bold they were to make the trek and how hard working they are. I love what they do for the economy and the country.
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Orange Immortal [65912]
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I'm cool with people working here and what they do for the economy.
Jun 11, 2025, 8:24 PM
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I respect the risk they took by uprooting and coming here.
I'm not at all cool with their total disregard for our laws, and I don't think they should be rewarded.
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Head Coach [917]
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Re: I'm cool with people working here and what they do for the economy.
Jun 12, 2025, 10:03 AM
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I think that is fair and I respect that opinion, but I just believe they are necessary for the nation. Until we have a better system, I support them breaking the law to get here. I see it as a "necessary evil".
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Orange Immortal [65912]
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We disagree, and that's cool.
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Jun 12, 2025, 10:17 AM
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It's a normal part of the freedom we share in this great country. I always enjoy and appreciate your opinions as well.
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Head Coach [917]
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Re: Let's start here . . .
Jun 11, 2025, 11:23 AM
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I won't give that simple answer if just yes or no. I will give a simple yes that we have the right to do so though. I absolutely oppose deporting them all, but the government does have that right.
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National Champion [8086]
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Re: Let's start here . . .
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Jun 11, 2025, 11:43 AM
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Yes absolutely. I think a reasonable discussion can be had about streamlining the legal immigration process as we do clearly need to be able to bring in more people, who have been properly vetted, than our current system can supply.
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Orange Immortal [65912]
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Amen!***
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Jun 11, 2025, 11:46 AM
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Ring of Honor [22484]
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Streamlining needs to include allowances for law abiding & productive immigrants
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Jun 11, 2025, 12:05 PM
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Who have been contributing to communities for extended periods of time and for children who were raised in the States.
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Ring of Honor [22484]
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Yes just like LE has the right to ticket people going 5 mph over the speed limit
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Jun 11, 2025, 12:11 PM
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What’s the benefit? What’s the cost?
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Orange Immortal [65912]
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Great, fair question.
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Jun 12, 2025, 10:23 AM
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Cost/benefit must be considered.
I don't know what the cost would be of deporting illegals, but I know there is an immesurable, non-monetary cost for ignoring our borders and our laws.
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Paw Master [17045]
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All immigrants; legal or illegal, should be deported.
Jun 11, 2025, 12:20 PM
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I’d like to go back to fighting just the Chickasaw. At least I respected that enemy unlike the limp-wristed fk tards led by Soros.
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Orange Blooded [2113]
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Well this is no surprise.***
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Jun 11, 2025, 4:49 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3343]
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If done lawfully and with due process, then "yes".
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Jun 11, 2025, 3:18 PM
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Those are big ifs though, and I think we know the current administration has not been lawful in their treatment of immigrants in general, including legal immigrants.
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Orange Immortal [65912]
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I tried.
Jun 11, 2025, 8:10 PM
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with THIS simple question, without any other considerations, no qualifications, with no ifs ands or buts. All of those are separate issues that start with establishing a clear position on this one, and should only be addressed once this has been done.
But some have to reduce everything to purely partisan perspectives. Sadly, it's the only way they and see anything. Sadly, it gaurantees no real solutions.
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Dynasty Maker [3343]
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The starting point is whether or not people get due process in this country....
Jun 11, 2025, 8:21 PM
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Once we establish that is the case, then we can talk about deporting illegals. I think the order of what needs to be asked & answered is different than your view. I don't have a problem with a country policing its border, or deporting illegals....unless they are breaking the law & violating people's rights in trying to do so.....
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Orange Immortal [65912]
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That's a separate question, and was not the one I asked.
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Jun 11, 2025, 9:13 PM
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It must be answered before due process becomes a factor. But some people with a powerful bias that clouds their judgement, can't answer a simple question outside of the framework of their chosen narrative.
Your take on the whole LA thing, if I'm correct, boils down to Trump's abuse of power and disregard for due process. I'm not saying or suggesting you are wrong, but a person can answer my question honestly and easily no matter how they feel about Trump or his actions, and without any consideration for what is happening in LA right now. You just aren't willing to do that.
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Dynasty Maker [3343]
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No, due process & respect for people's rights comes first....
Jun 11, 2025, 9:21 PM
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If we don't have that, then we can't have deportations, and honestly we don't have a country. Any government that throws people in jail or foreign prisons with no charges of criminality at all does not get to just run around saying they're going to deport people.
Your question is the wrong first question. My question is the better one, and the right place to start.
My question must be answered before your question is even considered.
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Orange Immortal [65912]
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We are talking around each other here; I'll try to do better.
Jun 12, 2025, 10:09 AM
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Due process is a fundamental right - no question. Like all of our basic, constitutionally recognized rights, it's always in play. It's a given. So in that sense, you're correct; that comes "first". I agree 100%.
AS such, no law starts out with acknowledging that as part of that particular law. For instance, the law against illegal border crossing does not start with
"First, let's understand that all people have the right to due process. Once we understand that and that right is not violated, it shall be illegal to enter our country without meeting certain requirements".
No law is written that way. No law starts that way.
In this case, today in 2025, some people's rights to due process are probably being violated. That's wrong, and should by all means be addressed. In no way am I even remotely suggesting that it should not, and it's crucial that we have that conversation. That does not change the fact however, that it is an entirely separate issue than whether or not people who are here illegally (which assumes due process has been obseved) should be deported, nor does it mean that those two issues can't be or shouldn't be discussed sparately. You are simply wrong if you can't accept that.
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Head Coach [917]
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Re: We are talking around each other here; I'll try to do better.
Jun 12, 2025, 10:31 AM
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Some would say that in some cases due process would overload the system and we aren't set up for it. It seems in some cases they should just go.
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Orange Immortal [65912]
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By due process, I mean establishing that they are here illegally.
Jun 12, 2025, 8:26 PM
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Once that is determined, they don't get to stay here while they get endless appeals.
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Dynasty Maker [3343]
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Your question is meaningless without first answering my question....
Jun 12, 2025, 8:33 PM
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Without respect for basic human rights - speech, due process, etc - your question has absolutely no meaning in this country. People's rights are not "probably" being violated. They absolutely are being violated. That is a known fact, at this point.
You have the wrong beginning question. My question is more important, and must be answered first. Only then, do we even think of your question.
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Orange Immortal [65912]
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No it's not.
Jun 13, 2025, 8:34 AM
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The process is to determine whether or not a person is here illegally, and my question assumes that has already been done:
Do we have the right to deport people who are here illegally?
See?
Here's the difference: My question is not biased in favor of one political side or the other or designed to push any side's agenda, but you made it just that because you can't see things any other way. It was an attempt by me to keep partisanship out of it.
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Orange Elite [5145]
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Re: That's a separate question, and was not the one I asked.
Jun 11, 2025, 10:12 PM
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Yes is the answer!
But since we already know that the constitution isn’t being followed right now you are getting answers that are elaborations on your request for just yes or no. We need illegal immigrants for our workforce because we don’t have the # of workers here in Merica that are able and/or willing to do all the jobs. Also the huge # of boomers are retiring or dying leaving a bigger gap in the workforce. Taco said he was deporting all the illegals. However, he SHOULD know that would be bad for our economy IF he actually did this.
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Orange Immortal [65912]
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That's the wrong approach entirely.
Jun 12, 2025, 9:50 AM
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If we need more workers, the answer isn't to continue to ignore the law and encourage people to keep breaking it. I really can't believe people even think that is any kind of solution; it's alarming that we have people who think that way.
If that is the case, the obvious solution is to fix our broken system so we can get the workers we need efficiently and legally. The excuses people make for that instead of fixing it is amazing. The open borders we have seen in recent years are absolutely insane and are a threat to our sovereignty and is in no kind of solution.
My point in all of this is that we have to agree that there is a problem with our immigration system, and then find some common ground as a starting point before we can fix it. To me it seems that starting place is acknowledgement that borders are necessary, and we have the right to control them, determining who gets in and who can stay and who has to go. All of that can be done legally and humanely, and that should be the goal; not protecting a partisan political agenda.
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Head Coach [917]
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Re: That's the wrong approach entirely.
Jun 12, 2025, 10:10 AM
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We need immigration reform or we need them here illegally.
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Orange Immortal [65912]
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I don't agree that it's worth having open borders or allowing in
Jun 12, 2025, 10:31 AM
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dangerous criminals and people who mean to do us harm, in order to have enough workers. We'll just have to disagree on that one. It's a different issue, but I don't think getting enough workers was the reason for the open border disaster we witnessed in recent years.
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Head Coach [917]
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Re: I don't agree that it's worth having open borders or allowing in
Jun 12, 2025, 11:01 AM
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I definitely oppose the open borders. I think some will always get in though.
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hey look, there are free crayons in the mange***
Jun 11, 2025, 3:25 PM
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Paw Master [16813]
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Yes***
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Jun 12, 2025, 10:26 AM
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Re: Let's start here . . .
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Jun 12, 2025, 12:11 PM
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If only the world/life were so black and white…the devil is in the details.
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