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All-TigerNet [12666]
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Why are we offering 3-stars at this early stage of the
Mar 5, 2017, 11:08 AM
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recruiting cycle when we have so few scholarships to give? We are the defending national champs. If we only have 12-14 scholies to give, surely we can round up 4 and 5 stars to make up at least 10 of those. Maybe a couple of 5s and eight 4s and mayby a couple of 3s at the most. I can see offering 3s if you are starting to see you have no chance of a four or five at a certain position. It's so early.
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Tiger Titan [48079]
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Maybe they are underrated this early?
Mar 5, 2017, 11:10 AM
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Maybe we see a great player.
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CU Guru [1071]
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Re: Maybe they are underrated this early?
Mar 5, 2017, 11:21 AM
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Well, one of the 3 stars has also been offered by Bama. Star ratings aren't everything. Look at Renfrow!
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Tiger Titan [48079]
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Especially this early. I also go by offers too*****
Mar 5, 2017, 12:48 PM
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Walk-On [139]
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Re: Why are we offering 3-stars at this early stage of the
Mar 5, 2017, 11:12 AM
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It never ceases to amaze me how fans criticize our coaching staff's evaluation of players. Maybe they see a player who can help our team and is underrated by the recruiting sites. Or should they wait until that player is offered by Bama and they become a 4 star?
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National Champion [7219]
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Re: Why are we offering 3-stars at this early stage of the
Mar 5, 2017, 11:15 AM
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Maybe you ought to ask the Coaching Staff!
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Heisman Winner [79190]
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Re: Maybe not
Mar 5, 2017, 11:29 AM
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I think they have shown they know what they are doing. Why bother them to answer fan's stupid questions and boy that was one
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All-In [10883]
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Re: Why are we offering 3-stars at this early stage of the
Mar 5, 2017, 11:16 AM
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I would ignore the stars. These coaches have proven they know how to evaluate talent without basing their entire analysis off some star system. It would be awesome to just accept nothing but five stars but it's all about who fits the system and is Clemson material.
Besides, we beat a team that has accepted virtually nothing but 4-5 star talent for a National Title and a big contributor of that was some walk on named Renfrow.
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Re: Why are we offering 3-stars at this early stage of the
Mar 5, 2017, 11:16 AM
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> recruiting cycle when we have so few scholarships to
> give? We are the defending national champs. If we
> only have 12-14 scholies to give, surely we can round
> up 4 and 5 stars to make up at least 10 of those.
> Maybe a couple of 5s and eight 4s and mayby a couple
> of 3s at the most. I can see offering 3s if you are
> starting to see you have no chance of a four or five
> at a certain position. It's so early.
Because Clemson makes their own evaluations, and they do not recruit off Rivals.com or 247's or ESPN's recruiting rankings, that's why. They crunch their own film...and rank their own prospects, their own way.
I've been told it's a 25-point system and a huge number of those points are based on evaluated character, IQ, work ethic, coachability, toughness, and suchlike...whereas none of the recruiting services care about any of that; there's plenty of guys with glaring character issues who get 5-stars despite the fact that Clemson wouldn't touch them with a fork. Lost track of how many kids Clemson has backed off of under Dabo because of character concerns. Whatever, a guy who's 25/25 on Clemson's board likely isn't going to get the same ranking, or even close, on Rivals.com...and a guy who's 5-stars may not even be considered an offer at Clemson, even if he's got 30+ other offers from other schools.
Dabo very much does things his own way. 'Course, it definitely seems to be working for him.
Keep in mind Clemson rated guys like Grady Jarrett, Kendall Joseph, Kevin Dodd, Jadar Johnson, TJ Green, etc, etc, when no one else did.
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Walk-On [139]
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Re: Why are we offering 3-stars at this early stage of the
Mar 5, 2017, 11:23 AM
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Exactly
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All-TigerNet [14233]
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It's a great system but it has flaws
Mar 5, 2017, 11:56 AM
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We missed on players Kitt and Bell but also hit on players like Renfrow.
At the end of the day, it's the coaches jobs on the line. If they think players are Take then the coaches have earned enough respect for fans to see it play out. These early rankings change
All the time. At this point last year, AJ Terrell was a 3 star that moved up to a 5 star.
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Lutz, geez***
Mar 5, 2017, 11:24 AM
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110%er [5977]
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What football program have you built into a Champion?
Mar 5, 2017, 11:24 AM
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National Champion [7284]
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Kid looks like a baller with......
Mar 5, 2017, 11:27 AM
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great athleticism, enthusiastic, versatile and a classy attitude. Just what we're looking for in a clemson student-athlete.
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Oculus Spirit [42301]
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Probably because the same coaching staff that
Mar 5, 2017, 11:27 AM
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Led us to a national championship thinks that he has the tools to help them win. That's just my guess. Why is a guy who I'm guessing has never coached Clemson to a National Championship questioning our staff and making it look like we don't appreciate every player who wants to play here?
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Re: Why are we offering 3-stars at this early stage of the
Mar 5, 2017, 11:30 AM
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Despite the maniacs in the thread saying how dare you, it is a legitimate topic especially when we have been known to reach early and fill up early and miss some highly ranked guys at end. This doesn't mean "we suck" or "coaches are stupid" on the contrary we have on of the best staffs in the nation and superb recruiters and evaluators. That doesn't exempt them from scrutiny and analysis. Sort of the point of these boards, ya know? So the people that won't address the ISSUE but simply try to hijack and shut down the thread, go away. You aren't adding anything.
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Oculus Spirit [42301]
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"Maniacs"? Inflame much? The point is that
Mar 5, 2017, 11:39 AM
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If your only criteria for a good fit for our program is having 4 and 5 stars, then you imply that our coaches don't know how to evaluate talent and fit for our program. You're also questioning their ability to develop players. Our strength is taking good recruiting classes but not classes like Georgia and most of the sec that underperform every year. I think it's silly to question whether our coaches not what they are doing if they offer someone that isn't a 4/5*.
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Walk-On [139]
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Re: Why are we offering 3-stars at this early stage of the
Mar 5, 2017, 11:40 AM
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What is the issue? I think that is where the confusion is coming from. The issue seems to be the OP questioning when our staff offers who they offer.
Also, who have we missed out on by offering lower ranked players too early?
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Paw Warrior [4697]
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Re: Why are we offering 3-stars at this early stage of the
Mar 5, 2017, 11:32 AM
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Maybe their parents don't have $70,000 to blow on camps every summer?
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Oculus Spirit [42301]
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This answer has promise***
Mar 5, 2017, 11:34 AM
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All-American [568]
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Re: Why are we offering 3-stars at this early stage of the
Mar 5, 2017, 11:32 AM
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As I recall - Grady Jarrett was a 3 star when he was recruited
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Varsity [210]
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Re: Why are we offering 3-stars at this early stage of the
Mar 5, 2017, 11:40 AM
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They are not commitable offers. We only Take them if others guys go elsewhere
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Walk-On [139]
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Re: Why are we offering 3-stars at this early stage of the
Mar 5, 2017, 11:42 AM
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Is that a guess?
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Varsity [210]
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Re: Why are we offering 3-stars at this early stage of the
Mar 5, 2017, 12:27 PM
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Just bc we offer a kid doesn't mean we will take a commitment. We might want this kid really bad we might not. Every offer isn't created equal
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Orange Blooded [4506]
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ONLY the coaches know. Everyone's opinion is a
Mar 5, 2017, 2:56 PM
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GUESS.
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CU Guru [1627]
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Re: Why are we offering 3-stars at this early stage of the
Mar 5, 2017, 11:51 AM
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Even those 5 stars will tell you that STARS DONT MATTER. It just looks good for the fans.
That 3 star Gaffney wide out must be a pretty darn good player, we don't just offer any wideout...
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Walk-On [139]
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Re: Why are we offering 3-stars at this early stage of the
Mar 5, 2017, 11:53 AM
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The film looked good. Kid can go up and high point the ball. Also some nice contested catches.
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Athletic Dir [889]
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Re: Why are we offering 3-stars at this early stage of the
Mar 5, 2017, 11:58 AM
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Yes, because the decisions of the coaching staff really need to be scrutinized after how last season played out.
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All-TigerNet [5921]
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Because***
Mar 5, 2017, 12:15 PM
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Orange Blooded [2469]
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I think the staff would like to have more redshirt juniors and especially seniors
Mar 5, 2017, 12:16 PM
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Someone that has been in the system, weight room, & playbook for 4-5 years can be very valuable. So many are leaving early every year even if they are not ready
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Standout [323]
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Re: Why are we offering 3-stars at this early stage of the
Mar 5, 2017, 12:17 PM
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Are you a troll, or just plain stupid?
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Standout [323]
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Re: Why are we offering 3-stars at this early stage of the
Mar 5, 2017, 12:17 PM
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Are you a troll, or just plain stupid?
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CU Medallion [18833]
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I know, really. Dabo & Co. must be dumber than
Mar 5, 2017, 12:20 PM
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a bag of rocks.
SMDH
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I'm beginning to think this staff just doesn't get it.***
Mar 5, 2017, 12:22 PM
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Clemson Conqueror [11311]
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Re: Why are we offering 3-stars at this early stage of the
Mar 5, 2017, 12:22 PM
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Shew buddy! Do you even Clemson?
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Orange Elite [5182]
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coot - again...
Mar 5, 2017, 12:26 PM
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puleeze - its a good day to go sand your feathers.
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Orange Immortal [65767]
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It's clear that our coaches don't know what they're doing.***
Mar 5, 2017, 12:33 PM
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Re: It's clear that our coaches don't know what they're doing.***
Mar 5, 2017, 12:47 PM
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Agree. Also, many of these 3 stars will evolve into 4 stars by the end of their Senior season.
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All-Conference [425]
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Stars don't guarantee anything
Mar 5, 2017, 12:56 PM
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We won the NC because of a 2 star walk on. Coaches may see something that they like.
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110%er [7719]
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Re: Why are we offering 3-stars at this early stage of the
Mar 5, 2017, 12:56 PM
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Who is "we" Mr I wouldnt care if Clemson ceased to exist.
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CU Medallion [18123]
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Re: Why are we offering 3-stars at this early stage of the
Mar 5, 2017, 1:05 PM
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After Dabo and Co's run of success why would anyone question who they are recruiting or anything else about the decisions they make regarding the football program. (???)
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Campus Hero [14008]
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what we, as fans, don't know about recruiting
Mar 5, 2017, 1:31 PM
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what we, as fans, don't know about recruiting would overflow the internet.
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Head Coach [937]
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uh I don't maybe the coaches are smarter than you?***
Mar 5, 2017, 1:33 PM
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Game Changer [1981]
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Re: Why are we offering 3-stars at this early stage of the
Mar 5, 2017, 2:38 PM
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I think this staff has earned the right for fans to respect and trust their recruiting abilities.
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Orange Elite [5493]
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Re: Why are we offering 3-stars at this early stage of the
Mar 5, 2017, 2:40 PM
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Are you really asking that ? D a m n. Let Dabo do his thing
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Orange Blooded [4506]
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They do it to upset coot fans. Looks like you was the
Mar 5, 2017, 2:53 PM
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first one to take the bait as usual.
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