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All-Time Great [88529]
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Where does Trump support end for many of you?
Jul 15, 2019, 9:58 AM
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What would it take? Does he have to state something as outrageous as I hate n*gg*ers and love David Duke to get you to drop support(know he would never say this)? Would that even do it?
I thought he was dead in the water when he referenced McCain by stating “My heroes are the ones who didn’t get captured”, which was a slap in the face to all POWs. But, no, this didn’t do it.
Same as when he said Cruz’s father was involved in the JFK assassination and then called his wife ugly.
The same when he called the Judge from Indiana a Mexican.
The same when he made fun of the handicapped reporter.
The same when he attacked the family of the U.S. soldier.
The same with 24 women who claim he raped them.
The same with continuous attacks on McCain after his death?
Then this weekend he suggested 4 U.S. Congresswomen go back to THEIR countries in a racist tirade.
There are hundreds of similar statements.
Trump supporters - Don’t you have any shame? What would it take to end your support of this terrible human being?
As an aside, do you think our great current economy can’t be achieved under a Joe Biden or Jeb Bush or Paul Ryan or VP Pence?
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There is literally nothing, NOTHING, he could say that will
Jul 15, 2019, 10:05 AM
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change the minds of 40 million hardline Trump voters. But there HAS to be a line somewhere for the 10-20 million straight economy voters. I keep telling myself that, but the number of people saying "OK, that does it for me, finally", is astonishingly low.
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straight economy voters?
Jul 15, 2019, 10:12 AM
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Depends....those who live in the present are happier than pigs in shid. Those with an eye to the future know that this ride ends sooner or later with a new deficit tally that makes us feel like teenagers who maxed out their first credit card going to spring break.
Give them (heck, me) an alternative that doesn't feel like a Bear market waiting to happen and I'm all for it.
Even more, give me one that talks about budget balancing via decreased spending and actually isn't scared to say things about belt tightening and possible austerity and they've got my vote.
They've got a snowball's chance in hellll of getting elected, but they have my vote.
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Dems are running on balancing the budget.
Jul 15, 2019, 10:28 AM
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They want a balance between what America spends on citizens and what it spends on illegals. Maybe that's where they are going wrong. Meanwhile, fiscal conservatism is ignored by everyone.
Moving toward the left is the only solution. Eventually, America with nationalize all business, become communist and things will be so much better for everyone, right?
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The sad part is that we are heading that way and
Jul 15, 2019, 10:42 AM
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I can't help but feel it's inevitable, if not in my lifetime, than in my kids' or grandkids'.
I just want to move to some remote, primitive tropical island that uses seashells for currency. You can only get into so much debt with seashells.
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So you're not calling out the hyperbole, you're agreeing
Jul 15, 2019, 10:47 AM
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with it? Why in the world do you think communism is an inevitability in the US? That makes no sense and isn't founded on anything rational. Because Bernie is talking about "free" education beyond 12th grade? Universal/government healthcare? Are the countries that have those things communist?
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TigerNet Immortal [176278]
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Maybe not agreeing verbatim, but I am agreeing that
Jul 15, 2019, 10:52 AM
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our ability to be completely free as individuals will absolutely wane. We've sold our freedom as a country to other countries via debt and regardless of which party is in power now, we continue doubling down on it.
Eventually the economy will take a massive hit, putting more on govt assistance, and we will absolutely reach a point where austerity measures that make Greece look mild will become mandatory, putting even more at the dependence on various govt agencies.
We may not become communist, per se, but we will absolutely reach a level of government dependence that it won't feel much different.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102348]
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I exaggerated to make a point.
Jul 15, 2019, 11:03 AM
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My exaggeration is founded in fact. I do not believe we will end up like the USSR but it's become eerily similar. It looks like Bernie studied it intensely.
https://www.departments.bucknell.edu/russian/const/36cons04.html
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ARTICLE 118. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to work, that is, are guaranteed the right to employment and payment for their work in accordance With its quantity and quality.
The right to work is ensured by the socialist organization of the national economy, the steady growth of the productive forces of Soviet society, the elimination of the possibility of economic crises, and the abolition of unemployment.
ARTICLE 119. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to rest and leisure. The right to rest and leisure is ensured by the reduction of the working day to seven hours for the overwhelming majority of the workers, the institution of annual vacations with full pay for workers and employees and the provision of a wide network of sanatoria, rest homes and clubs for the accommodation of the working people.
ARTICLE 120. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to maintenance in old age and also in case of sickness or loss of capacity to work. This right is ensured by the extensive development of social insurance of workers and employees at state expense, free medical service for the working people and the provision of a wide network of health resorts for the use of the working people.
ARTICLE 121. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. have the right to education. This right is ensured by universal, compulsory elementary education; by education, including higher education, being free of charge; by the system of state stipends for the overwhelming majority of students in the universities and colleges; by instruction in schools being conducted in the native Ianguage, and by the organization in the factories, state farms, machine and tractor stations and collective farms of free vocational, technical and agronomic training for the working people..."
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TigerNet Icon [151916]
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You've been beating this drum for months ever since you
Jul 15, 2019, 11:12 AM
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got it in a group email forward.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102348]
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I do not get group emails.
Jul 15, 2019, 12:04 PM
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My email is all about my project car and one son. I occasionally get an email from the childrens' mother. Would you like a look at my email?
I trust you and I'll give you the name, password and full access if you will commit as a Clemson fan and your faithfulness to Clemson and our Clemson family that you will return here and report my honesty and withdraw the insult.
A quick looks through the folders might give you a clue. In fact, if you promise to do no damage in any form to me personally I won't change the password and you can monitor my email until you are satisfied that I do not get much junk email and most of it is from suppliers I have used to purchase exotic finishes, fishing equipment and such personal items which no reasonable person would be ashamed to reveal.
I do not pron or other such trash either.
If not can you address the left's movement to adopt those passages from the USSR constitution? FYI, I think Alan Dershowitz brought this to my attention.
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Re: So you're not calling out the hyperbole, you're agreeing
Jul 15, 2019, 3:53 PM
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Because CTiger1988 and myself are smart enough to realize that nothing is “free” and we know who proportionally will be suffering from all this “free” stuff you speak of.
Also, the countries you speak of that have free education and healthcare have way higher taxes and have smaller and inferior militaries.
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It’s not inevitable, we’re still a center right/center left
Jul 15, 2019, 6:56 PM
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country for the most part. I know we get plenty of ramblings from both fringes but that kooky shlt gets great press.
I’ll bet you $ that it will never happen in your kids’ lifetime, but if it doesn’t happen in your iifetine say by the time you turn 85, leave $ in a coffee can on my grave.
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Mitt Romney, Joe Biden, Jeb Bush, John Kasich, John
Jul 15, 2019, 7:18 PM
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Hickenlooper, Steve Bullock, Paul Ryan, Nikki Haley...
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I'd consider half of those
Jul 16, 2019, 7:10 AM
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Line Item Veto
Eliminate Entitlments, Welfare, WIC: use to fully fund veterans
Phase out SS
Deport Illegals with no question/penalty reporting from employers, incentives, tax breaks
Leave the UN
Threathen Mexico any physical, not monetary, means necessary to lock down its southern border.
Just few...
-PhD
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Part of the problem
Jul 15, 2019, 10:07 AM
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I do not consider myself a Trump supporter. I've said it on here many times. I think he is a buffoon. I don't think he deserves some of the criticisms he gets, but overall he's a moron. Having said that, did I vote for him? Yes. Will I vote for him again? Probably. Until the dems move away form their far left positions and get somewhere closer to the middle, I have no choice. Well, I could vote for a third party candidate, I suppose. That's pretty much the same as not voting, but I may have to consider it this time.
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All-Time Great [88529]
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You realize the Dem front runner is a centrist, right?***
Jul 15, 2019, 4:58 PM
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Re: Where does Trump support end for many of you?
Jul 15, 2019, 10:08 AM
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1. Yes, I would turn.
2. No one likes McCain, so it worked. Neocon, war hawks are dead in politics or should be
3. She is
4. Meh.
5. That suckked.
6. Dont remember that one
7. Clinton set that standard, so I am not going there until credible evidence
8. Dead people shouldnt get a pass for bad legislation and bad leadership.
9. Not a racist tirade. He is speaking truth. All they do is trash the US. Go somewhere else.
10. What? Being vague is a liberals full time job
11. Dont like his Twitter account at all. I think social media is below the office when in office or out of office. Social Media sucks.
12. I think it would continue, but once regulations where slapped back onto entrepreneurs, it would slowly die or flatten. He has been very good to the small business owners of this Country.
13. Joe, you are smarter and better than this post. I would expect this from Balm.
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Heisman Winner [82037]
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not going to vote for him
Jul 15, 2019, 10:08 AM
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nor the other side
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Re: Where does Trump support end for many of you?
Jul 15, 2019, 10:23 AM
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When you say where does their support end, does that they would switch to vote Dem? I dont think there is anything Trump can do.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102348]
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Here's my cutoff point.
Jul 15, 2019, 10:24 AM
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Thank you for making me think, sir.
If Trump raised taxes, increased regulations, open the border by expanding the definition of asylum to include everyone who claims to be afraid, ending the medicare program and extending it to include every American and asylum seeker who has learned to lie, shut down ICE and cut funding to border patrol, returned to the days of NAFTA and the pacific trade agreement including letting China run economically rampant in America, told members of NATO to not worry about paying their fair share for their defense...
You're not going to require me to post an exhaustive list of Trump's accomplishment then call me Hannity are you?
Trump is an askhole but he's been good for America. The left has cried wolf so long no one is paying attention anymore. When everything is racist then nothing is racist. Stick and stone...Trump backed and drove justice reform. Minorities are enjoying the highest rate of employment in our history and America in general is enjoying a 50 year low unemployment.
I learned to watch what a man does and pay no attention to what he says when judging who he is and what he stands for.
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I often think when people say "I care about what they do
Jul 15, 2019, 11:11 AM
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not about what they say"...
Saying something is doing something. It is an action you take based on a decision you make.
*Just a hypothetical*
If I give my child a $20 bill, and call him a piece of trash who I hate while I give it to him, then I think those words matter more than the "doing" of the gift.
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The Bible says that a man's hands are an unruly evil
Jul 15, 2019, 11:13 AM
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That cannot be tamed.
No, wait, check that. It says that about the tongue.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102348]
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I'm not defending Trump being such a rude, crude dood.
Jul 15, 2019, 11:55 AM
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I'm just saying if you speak kindly to a child and ignore what's best for him in your decisions to direct his life you aren't doing him right. Treat him nice and send him to hell by withholding the truth.
A better example might be providing for the child, speaking to him in a godly manner and committing adultery with the neighbor's wife. Six of one, half a dozen of the other we are not Trump's sons.
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I hear ya, it was more of a general point...
Jul 15, 2019, 11:56 AM
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About words being "underrated" in importance. Words are of terrible importance, to all of us.
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What a stupid point, made by an utter moron.
Jul 15, 2019, 12:00 PM
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(I pointed it)
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(See what I did there?)***
Jul 15, 2019, 12:09 PM
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He's pretty much said that already. That is what draws them
Jul 15, 2019, 10:26 AM
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in. The evolution of The Southern Strategy as so eloquently described by Lee Atwater.
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LOL...you so much want that to be true***
Jul 15, 2019, 10:34 AM
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Re: You so much wish it weren't so. The Southern Strategy
Jul 15, 2019, 10:42 AM
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"The Southern Strategy isn't real" is basically the same argument as "The Civil War wasn't about slavery."
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TigerNet Immortal [176278]
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yeah, and other falsehoods like
Jul 15, 2019, 5:06 PM
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"The Dems and Pubs magically switched parties and all the racists became Pubs and all the good-hearted philanthropists became Dems"
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Re: Where does Trump support end for many of you?
Jul 15, 2019, 10:26 AM
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Your examples are all real world. That doesn't matter. Republicans mostly live in an alternate reality. They've allowed Breitbart and Fox to convince them that what they see isn't real and more importantly, what they can't see is actually happening.
I don't think there's any coming back from that.
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And the dims live in a fantasy world.
Jul 15, 2019, 10:45 AM
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Free healthcare, Free college, free housing, open borders, illegal aliens can vote. And after 12 years, no cows or combustion engines and make every building in the US "sustainable". The list goes on and on and on.
Except I missed the part on how all of this would be paid for?
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Re: And the dims live in a fantasy world.
Jul 15, 2019, 10:48 AM
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The same way we pay for all your wars.
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I'm not a Trump supporter - but I did vote for him...
Jul 15, 2019, 10:28 AM
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Trump was my bottom pick of the "Republican" candidates. But he won the primary. I didn't like how the DNC hijacked the Democratic primary and, for me, the Supreme Court nomination was crucial. I hated Hillary's scripted and over-rehearsed responses in the debates - so I held my nose and voted for Trump.
I agree with some of his foreign and domestic policies - but Trump is a moron. 3 months ago, I would have said there is no way I'm voting for him again. But if the Dems end up with a far-left leaning candidate after the primaries - I'll be voting against that person in 2020...
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We’re on the same page, although I didn’t vote for him.
Jul 15, 2019, 12:46 PM
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I didn’t vote at all I was so disgusted with both candidates. Trump is a moron, but has continued the economic momentum and hasn’t screwed anything up too badly (he’s done a lot of things wrong and has made politics worse, but nothing super big). I would vote for pretty much anyone over him (heck I’d vote for Hilary if I could do it over again), but if one of those extreme left candidates gets the nomination I will have a tough decision to make. Vote for someone whose political views I disagree with, or vote for an awful person to continue to be president, hoping he will continue to be inept and ineffective enough where everything pretty much stays the same.
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I think you'd find that most of his supporters
Jul 15, 2019, 10:51 AM
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do not like when he says and does those things.
I think the main problem is that many people take it personally. Like, if the President says a bad thing, then that means I'm bad, too. Then comes the rationalization to make the thing seem less bad.
It's OK to say that the President said or did a really terrible thing, that I disagree with it, but still support him because of other reasons. *You don't need to try to justify or rationalize the bad thing he said.* It can be bad, and that doesn't mean that you are bad if you support him.
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It just means you are comfortable with his racism
Jul 15, 2019, 10:55 AM
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sexism, xenophobia and religious bigotry.
I am not.
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Yes, each person will have to answer for themselves
Jul 15, 2019, 10:57 AM
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If the positives outweigh the negatives.
For me personally, as I'm sure it is well-established, the negatives outweigh the positives, and I did not vote for him, and do not currently plan to in 2020.
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Does anyone put as much thought into who
Jul 15, 2019, 11:35 AM
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They vote for at the sub-Presidency level? It doesn't appear so.
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Probably not, and to our shame.***
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I believe you are overthinking it.
Jul 15, 2019, 12:17 PM
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Trump is taking the most popular political and economic position and the only thing to complain about is the national debt and Trump's rudeness.
Since the dems are all about spending they won't broach the subject of national debt. That pretty much leave them whining about racism and other 'ism,' and 'ist.'
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When we have a better alternative.
Jul 15, 2019, 12:14 PM
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Trump with all his character flaws is far, FAR better than anybody the dems can offer. Like a zillion times better. I'd love a squeaky clean D.C. outsider who fought just as hard as Trump against the absolute insanity that is the Democrat party, and believed in American sovereignty and American exceptionalism to the same degree Trump does, but I don't see anybody like that.
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So, if he actually said what I stated in the
Jul 15, 2019, 12:49 PM
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first paragraph, you would vote for him?
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102348]
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It's always been the lesser of two evils, Joseph.
Jul 15, 2019, 1:54 PM
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During Trump's primary campaign speeches I decided he may be the biggest liar in the race. Since over my 40 years of voting I've always found my vote was cast to a liar it seemed there was no longer a reason to vote. It was all a tell em lies and feed em candy to me. When Trump started doing the things he promised I came to understand he was serious about keeping his word. It's quite uncommon to have a president so dedicated to proving he was a man of his word.
Given the choices we seem to be facing I believe Trump will walk through the election. The MSM and dems will continue to call him a racist and NAZI but most voters are numb to those charges since black unemployment is at historical lows along with Latino unemployment and women at a 50 year low along with general unemployment numbers. He backed justice reform which was very popular in minorities too.
The horrible fact is that he's like any good craftsman when you watch them work. You think, I should have thought of that. I think that's what's tearing the dem leaders in half. He's done things they said were impossible or would take a magic wand to do.
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Orange Immortal [64943]
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In a heartbeat.
Jul 15, 2019, 3:11 PM
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The damage done to our country by any of the Dems would be much more impactful than all of Trump's sins put together - without question.
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You realize that Hillary was a centrist and that it’s
Jul 15, 2019, 4:52 PM
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very unlikely that Warren, Sanders, Harris, etc. will win the nomination.
Would you vote for Biden over Trump if Trump made a Lester Maddox type statement?
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If I believed Trump was a racist, no, I would not vote for
Jul 15, 2019, 7:42 PM
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him. I still would not vote for Biden either.
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I know you’re pretty reasonable (usually;)) but understand
Jul 15, 2019, 6:48 PM
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I was only asking if you could drop support for Trump not if you would support any of the Dems.
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As long as my vote counts, I will vote for Trump
Jul 15, 2019, 7:40 PM
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(not drop support) to make sure Hillary/Bernie/Warren/Kamala don't get elected. If he rapes or murders somebody, I would drop support, but I won't drop support because he's a big ole meanie.
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Re: When we have a better alternative.
Jul 15, 2019, 4:12 PM
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Agreed, I couldn’t imagine what kind of shape we’d be in today if Hillary was at the helm or financial crisis we would be in with Bernie.
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Hillary was a centrist. We’d be exactly the same, imo,
Jul 15, 2019, 4:53 PM
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but the Dow might be a couple of thousand lower.
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As long as there’s no better alternative? Then that’d be never.***
Jul 15, 2019, 3:26 PM
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Would you consider Biden? I know you voted for
Jul 15, 2019, 5:00 PM
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Bill Clinton and Obama at least once. I voted for Romney in 2012.
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HAIL no! Washed up Establishment has-been.
Jul 15, 2019, 6:11 PM
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I would consider Pocahontas or Yang.
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Long shot for me voting for Warren. I’d have to know the
Jul 15, 2019, 7:13 PM
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GOP was going to control both House and Senate.
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Re: Where does Trump support end for many of you?
Jul 15, 2019, 3:39 PM
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The day Trump says that illegals and non taxpayers deserve the same rights, liberties and freedoms that American citizens have, is the day I’ll stop supporting him.
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That’s your one issue, huh?***
Jul 15, 2019, 4:56 PM
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Re: That’s your one issue, huh?***
Jul 15, 2019, 5:02 PM
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He wouldn’t be my first choice, but I don’t see anyone else that grabs my attention. Trump may be the worse guy that ever walked the earth, but I honestly believe that he whole heartedly loves America, the veterans, and genuinely is attempting to preserve the rights and liberties of the Americans who have payed into the system.
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Re: Where does Trump support end for many of you?
Jul 15, 2019, 5:04 PM
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Where does Trump support end for many of you? [3]
Posted: Jul 15, 2019 9:58 AM
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What would it take? Does he have to state something as outrageous as I hate n*gg*ers and love David Duke to get you to drop support(know he would never say this)? Would that even do it?
I thought he was dead in the water when he referenced McCain by stating “My heroes are the ones who didn’t get captured”, which was a slap in the face to all POWs. But, no, this didn’t do it.
Same as when he said Cruz’s father was involved in the JFK assassination and then called his wife ugly.
The same when he called the Judge from Indiana a Mexican.
The same when he made fun of the handicapped reporter.
The same when he attacked the family of the U.S. soldier.
The same with 24 women who claim he raped them.
The same with continuous attacks on McCain after his death?
Then this weekend he suggested 4 U.S. Congresswomen go back to THEIR countries in a racist tirade.
There are hundreds of similar statements.
Trump supporters - Don’t you have any shame? What would it take to end your support of this terrible human being?
As an aside, do you think our great current economy can’t be achieved under a Joe Biden or Jeb Bush or Paul Ryan or VP Pence?
MY SUPPORT WILL END AFTER NIKKI HALEY IS ELECTED PRESIDENT IN 2024 AND I CONGRATULATE TRUMP ON A GREAT 8 YEARS.
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Pence is 2024.
Jul 15, 2019, 7:27 PM
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Don't rush it. He gets to promise a balanced budget and run on cutting spending and paying off some of the debt.
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You tell 'em, Millipeter!!
Jul 19, 2019, 7:00 AM
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