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Letterman [267]
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Tired Of UP TEMPO, Spread offenses...
Dec 12, 2012, 10:44 AM
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Up Tempo offenses are like having a beautiful girlfriend, sure everyone is going to think your the man but at home she cant cook of clean and is very expensive to keep. I mean look at the BCSNC, both teams play an efficient offense that balances both the passing and running attacks. Which in terms leads to their defense being rested for the series. Defense wins championships, it does at the pro level and it does at the college level. Give me a average girl who cooks, cleans, and helps with the bills any day.
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Haha, agreed!
Dec 12, 2012, 10:46 AM
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Also, I prefer the blocking schemes of the traditional pro-style offenses over the weaker, less effective blocking of the spread offenses.
In general, spread offenses just want you to get a hat on a hat and move laterally with the defender, whereas traditional offenses want you to fire off the ball and knock their teeth out and move the defender backwards and out of the hole. This has many advantages, but the most obvious is the defenders' resulting timidness on pass plays.
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Orange Phenom [14935]
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Auburn won an MNC with our offense, Oregon went to
Dec 12, 2012, 10:48 AM
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one with is, TAMU won a Heisman with it (in the big, bad SEC).
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Campus Hero [13579]
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Auburn had the best QB money could buy, and the O didn't
Dec 12, 2012, 10:50 AM
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really work that well anyway. It usually sputtered out, which is when they simply went to shotgun, 4 wides and said "Cam, throw the deep ball". If you look at our game against them, this is clearly what happened. We shut them down until they just started launching it every play.
I said Auburn would collapse after Cam left because their offense is a gimmick, and it did.
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Re: Auburn won an MNC with our offense, Oregon went to
Dec 12, 2012, 10:51 AM
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And yet Auburn had Cam Newton. Oregon could consistently run the ball against anyone and had a playcaller who didn't crap the bed against good opponents. Johnny Manziel is a prodigy, and running that offense benefits you stats wise --- so that doesn't really help your argument.
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Orange Phenom [14935]
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Every team with an effective O or D does so because of
Dec 12, 2012, 10:56 AM
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good players, you can't separate the players from the offense. When you win you win.
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Head Coach [974]
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Re: Auburn won an MNC with our offense, Oregon went to
Dec 12, 2012, 11:00 AM
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I don't care too much for the spread either, but for us it has its advantages. For one, we have trouble recruiting top notch offensive linemen on a regular basis, so spreading the ball out helps with that. Secondly, just because Morris got pass happy on numerous occasions in the South Carolina game, does not mean that he can't change or a different coordinator can't be successful. The up tempo can go for all I care, but running the spread is a good system for us. Being multiple could also work.
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Oculus Spirit [83641]
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They can run any kind of offense they want...
Dec 12, 2012, 10:49 AM
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If they can win the big games.
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Paw Warrior [4639]
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Re: Tired Of UP TEMPO, Spread offenses...
Dec 12, 2012, 10:49 AM
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But I also like a woman who likes the spread...
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110%er [3695]
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Re: Tired Of UP TEMPO, Spread offenses...
Dec 12, 2012, 10:51 AM
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Balanced? I dare you to find a more balanced offense that Clemson's offense. Now you may find a slower paced offense no doubt but you will not find many if any that is more balanced.
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Campus Hero [13579]
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Yes, we run equal amounts of runs, passes, and trick plays***
Dec 12, 2012, 10:52 AM
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Orange Blooded [2609]
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Dont let your wife read this.***
Dec 12, 2012, 10:53 AM
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Clemson Conqueror [11484]
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Sorry to hear about your bad situation
Dec 12, 2012, 11:02 AM
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I prefer to have the beautiful woman who can cook, clean, and do all the other things that I enjoy. It's a reality my friend. Don't settle.
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Orange Blooded [2217]
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Not a good comparison
Dec 12, 2012, 11:05 AM
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Our offense is very balanced. It sounds like you want an offense that is mainly a power ground attack instead of a spread. Those offenses are not balanced at all.
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Clemson Icon [24861]
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Until we can get the type of recruits at Alabama, LSU,
Dec 12, 2012, 11:09 AM
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Notre Dame etc,(though not many schools in the country seem able to) shouldn't we run an offense that fits our personnel?
Had we gotten Gurley, we would have adapted to his skills and probably won the two games we lost.
I expect our offensive line to be much improved next year with all of the returning players including a few new options at tackle. Dye could give us some more power at running back. If we can finish strong with our recruiting of defensive players, our defense should improve dramatically next year and give our offense a few more at bats every game.
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Orange Blooded [3350]
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I agree. If we had ther personnel that Bama and ND have we
Dec 12, 2012, 11:28 AM
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could probably opt to run a traditional offense, but we have more talent in the skill position rather than the talent and depth along the OL that these schools have. Also, don't have the depth and right talent at RB. We have to get the ball to our skill players as often as possible and that's what our offense does. It obviously works pretty good until we play against a good pass rush. If we would get a away from "balanced" and start running more to combat the pass rush we would probably win those games too.
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TigerNet Elite [70100]
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Just because you're content to settle for medicority....
Dec 12, 2012, 12:41 PM
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doesn't mean that everyone else should.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON you can't have it both ways.
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CU Guru [1552]
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Re: Tired Of UP TEMPO, Spread offenses...
Dec 12, 2012, 12:45 PM
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Wise man
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Solid Orange [1375]
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Re: Tired Of UP TEMPO, Spread offenses...
Dec 12, 2012, 12:47 PM
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Clemson tried just pounding the ball every down under Tommy West. How did that work out?
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Orange Blooded [2353]
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Re: Tired Of UP TEMPO, Spread offenses...
Dec 12, 2012, 12:50 PM
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It's more like having a hot slutty wife. You can score any time you want but you can't be guaranteed that someone else won't score either.
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All-Conference [420]
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If you are not scoring, why have a girlfriend at all***
Dec 12, 2012, 1:03 PM
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Orange Beast [6247]
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Yes I imagine it is tough to choke down...
Dec 12, 2012, 1:47 PM
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back to back 10 win seasons. I'll say it again...where do you people come from?
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Clemson Conqueror [11162]
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Re: Tired Of UP TEMPO, Spread offenses...
Dec 12, 2012, 2:02 PM
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I saw lots of 3 and outs by both of those teams this year. Defense doesn't get to rest on 3 and outs. Not buying your argument. Your defense is either capable of stopping the other team or not. If the up tempo team is forced to 3 and outs the D is only on the field for maybe a minute or 2.
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Head Coach [790]
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Re: Tired Of UP TEMPO, Spread offenses...
Dec 12, 2012, 3:08 PM
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True!!!!!!!!!!!
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All-Pro [659]
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Yup...I like the offense. I prefer great D. Like '80's!***
Dec 12, 2012, 3:16 PM
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Campus Hero [13579]
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The two are mutually exclusive.***
Dec 14, 2012, 9:46 AM
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Paw Master [16891]
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That's nonsense. Our Defense stayed on the field because
Dec 14, 2012, 9:52 AM
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our defense couldn't get off the field. Has nothing to do with our offense.
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Orange Blooded [4098]
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Re: That's nonsense. Our Defense stayed on the field because
Dec 14, 2012, 9:55 AM
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DO NOT AGREE!!Off could not stay and DEF could not get off!!
IMHO the OFF was most @ fault because they are simply a better unit than our Def right now!!when the Off plays like they SHOULD the Def does not wear out as bad
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Paw Master [16891]
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Overall, our defense stays on the field because it can't
Dec 14, 2012, 11:52 AM
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get the stop, not because the offense is a spread offense.
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Clemson Icon [27847]
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Campus Hero [13579]
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How much time? We've tried them for 14 years, still no
Dec 14, 2012, 9:57 AM
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dominant Defense, even though we've had some stellar athletes on that side of the ball.
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Clemson Icon [27847]
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Haven't had the depth that we're now building and I don't
Dec 14, 2012, 10:04 AM
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think the D has had 'all the parts' at the same time.
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Campus Hero [13579]
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14 years and counting... always an excuse.***
Dec 14, 2012, 10:09 AM
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Legend [6776]
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You must have a sad life.***
Dec 14, 2012, 10:15 AM
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Campus Hero [13579]
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I am sad that Clemson is trapped in mediocrity and
Dec 14, 2012, 10:16 AM
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that our fans have become so accustomed to it that 10 wins against inferior competition is now seen as a great accomplishment.
However, in all other areas, I'm pretty happy.
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Clemson Icon [27847]
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Excuse about what? 2 years with back-to-back 10 wins. If
Dec 14, 2012, 10:19 AM
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you're going to look backwards and bemoan the past, I not going to bother to respond. If you're questioning what's down the road, then I think we're on the same track but have a different assessment of where that's headed.
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Campus Hero [13579]
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Don't change the subject. We're talking defense.***
Dec 14, 2012, 10:32 AM
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Clemson Icon [27847]
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Your 14 years would encompass the '89 and '90 seasons.
Dec 14, 2012, 10:36 AM
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I believe the problem back then was the O not performing; not a matter of the D or their abilities.
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Campus Hero [13579]
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'99 and 2000***
Dec 14, 2012, 10:42 AM
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Clemson Icon [27847]
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So what? You've made my point. What happened over a decade
Dec 14, 2012, 11:07 AM
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ago has ABSOLUTELY no bearing on today. Can't go through life with 'what ifs'. If you haven't seen a change recently, then I don't know what to tell you. If someone could wave a 'magic wand' and make all the pieces fall in place instantaneously, these coaches wouldn't be getting the astronomical salaries that we're seeing lately. CU is only losing 11 scholarship Seniors this year, though some are at key positions. There are 13 JR. and 27 So. on the roster. The rest is 40 FR.(RS) and FR. though I don't know how many are on schollies. Some on T-net have dismissed that we're a young team but I think the numbers bear it out. Things are moving forward and I'm not going to lament the past.
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Campus Hero [13579]
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Actually it does have a bearing on today. We were following
Dec 14, 2012, 11:10 AM
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the same philosophy as a team then that we are now, yet now we expect different results. Insanity.
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Clemson Icon [27847]
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Totally different coaching staff, players, facilities, etc.
Dec 14, 2012, 11:17 AM
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Philosophy is certainly debatable but the results are getting better. However, I'm not going to venture into the "Insanity". Your domain.
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Campus Hero [13579]
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which supports my position.
Dec 14, 2012, 11:23 AM
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The players were different, the coaches were different, the facilities were different (as if that has any effect whatsoever), the fans were different, the ACC was different, everything was different....
except the offensive philosophy. Back then it was called the "indy 500". Now it's the Chad Morris special. Whatever.
Know what else was the same? Bad defense.
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Clemson Icon [27847]
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That was a matter of recruiting, coaching, and overall depth
Dec 14, 2012, 11:35 AM
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That's where things are changing. Record setting years on O and now its the D's time to catch up. Losing both CBs didn't help with Scar game, but they didn't rush on us other than draws and scrambles. That can be corrected. As to the secondary, it certainly needs an influx of size, speed, and aggressiveness. That is the major question going into next year. And no matter what, leave someone 'home' in the middle of the field.
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Campus Hero [13579]
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I've heard that same song and dance the last 14 years
Dec 14, 2012, 11:41 AM
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as well. "this is the year" and "help is on the way" and "our next class sure looks strong"
Sorry, don't buy it.
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Clemson Icon [27847]
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Nothing more need be said. I guess we'll see soon enough.***
Dec 14, 2012, 11:43 AM
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Clemson Icon [27847]
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110%er [3695]
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Re: Tired Of UP TEMPO, Spread offenses...
Dec 14, 2012, 9:48 AM
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So just how ugly are you?
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Clemson Sports Icon [55413]
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Florida won a NC with offense, along with Oregon,
Dec 14, 2012, 9:53 AM
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and Texas.
Boise State (historically) wins with offense as well. Look at Hawaii several years ago, they won with offense. Clemson won ten games with their offense (we had to outscore NC State, Duke, etc)
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All-TigerNet [14090]
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The New England Patriots run an up tempo offense...
Dec 14, 2012, 10:09 AM
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and are as of right now looking like the best team in the AFC. They annihilated the one loss Texans 42-7 last Sunday. The up tempo offense is working really well for the Patriots.
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TigerNet Champion [118891]
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wut?
Dec 14, 2012, 10:15 AM
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signed,
the new york football giants
17-14 2008
21-17 2012
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National Champion [7936]
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what he said...***
Dec 14, 2012, 11:03 AM
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Clemson Icon [27847]
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How's that working for you this year?***
Dec 14, 2012, 11:09 AM
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TigerNet Champion [118891]
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2012 is this year last time i checked; the next one will be
Dec 14, 2012, 11:15 AM
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in 2013. wanna wait till then?
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National Champion [7936]
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all those stats Brady and that offense have put up haven't
Dec 14, 2012, 11:17 AM
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seemed to translate into the big win they all want...they got to the end of the yr twice and were essentially shut down both times.
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National Champion [7936]
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New England hasn't won a Super Bowl since they went up tempo
Dec 14, 2012, 11:02 AM
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they won Super Bowls with the running game and tough defense....twice they've been beaten by a team with a tough defense and great running game.
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All-TigerNet [14090]
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ND runs a spread offense, and once ND starts to bring...
Dec 14, 2012, 10:12 AM
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in more talent on offense they will speed the tempo up. Brian Kelly runs an up temp offense. He is not running up tempo right now because of ND's lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball
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Campus Hero [13579]
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So, the OP is right.***
Dec 14, 2012, 10:13 AM
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All-TigerNet [14090]
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You must not watch the NFL anymore...
Dec 14, 2012, 10:14 AM
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with the changes in rules favoring offenses, you no longer have to have a good defense to win championships
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All-TigerNet [14090]
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4 of the past 6 winners of the national title ran....
Dec 14, 2012, 10:17 AM
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the spread offense. Remember the last time LSU won it they ran the spread. They just switched to the I formation over the past two seasons
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Campus Hero [13579]
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There have only been 6 past winners?***
Dec 14, 2012, 10:33 AM
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Orange Blooded [2507]
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The spread only really came on the last few years***
Dec 14, 2012, 10:57 AM
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Campus Hero [13579]
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LOL***
Dec 14, 2012, 11:23 AM
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TigerNet Icon [153740]
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I agree, but you could also point to Auburn v/s Oregon.
Dec 14, 2012, 11:02 AM
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Both were offensive teams.
I guess there is no right answer, or everyone would be doing the exact same thing.
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Varsity [107]
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Re: I agree, but you could also point to Auburn v/s Oregon.
Dec 14, 2012, 11:16 AM
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Auburn could get after the quarterback. Oregon, despite being a "spread" team...ran the football a lot and ate clock.
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I'd classify both as "up tempo".***
Dec 14, 2012, 11:32 AM
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CU Guru [1895]
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Not sure how you can say that
Dec 14, 2012, 11:54 AM
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It doesn't matter what offense you run if you run it correctly and have the right players. A power/trap/iso/etc. is the same regardless of where the QB and RB line up at.
Also how can you forget:
Florida and Ohio St. under Urban Meyer run/ran spread O's
Auburn/Oregon both ran spread offenses in the '10 championship game
Tamu just went 10-2 in the SEC with a spread offense.
Texas played Bama in the 09 NCG with a spread offense
etc, etc, etc.
Football is all about matchups and execution.
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Game Changer [1674]
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I'm tired of it. Give me a mean O line and a bruising
Dec 14, 2012, 12:23 PM
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220 pound RB and a QB who has a decent arm and can throw in the pocket. On the opposite side, give me the most talented defense I can assemble.
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Campus Hero [13579]
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I agree. Our O-Line would look a lot meaner in the right
Dec 14, 2012, 12:49 PM
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scheme. Our defense would probably play better with more rest.
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I'll bet a romantic devil like yourself is NEVER without
Dec 14, 2012, 12:52 PM
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