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Game Day Hero [4149]
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Why do people who have never coached a down
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think they know better than a man who's won 2 national titles and played for another?
It's really quite comical to listen to.
Before you bash the man ask yourself if your credentials come close and if they don't, should you really continue with your criticism?
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TigerNet Eternal Icon [186574]
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
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Sep 30, 2025, 12:04 PM
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That's a good question.
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
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Sep 30, 2025, 12:23 PM
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No, it's not. It's a weak cop out. This isn't basketball. Clemson fans should not accept mediocrity in football coaching.
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Ultimate Tiger [35195]
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Accept it o4 don't accept it.
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Sep 30, 2025, 1:46 PM
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the same outcome either way.
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
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whats weak is your response ! Clemson has not seen mediocre since Dabo become head coach. What should not be accepted is ignorance like your response!
Feel free to go to any other team you choose!
See ya!
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Tiger Spirit [9421]
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Absolutely stupid retort
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Sep 30, 2025, 2:53 PM
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We are worse than mediocre this season - not sure if youve been watching. We got run out of our own stadium by a Cuse team that needed OT to beat Uconn and lost by 5 touchdowns to Duke. Get bent loser.
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
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Probably not as comical as you think. I know I can't do better. I also know he's not doing as well as he did. The agreements/disagreements that are offshoot of that are normal message board interactions.
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Orange Blooded [2555]
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
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Please shut up. Why not say that if you never coached football you just should not be a fan? I get so tired of this fallacious argument. Do you think that because I coached PeeWee football 20 years ago it makes my thoughts about coaching and football more valid? What a joke!
Hey do you have to be a Jew to know the haulicaust was wrong?
Do you have to be a rapist to know that ###### is a poor dating strategy?
Hey you've never been in the collapsing Trade Towers, you can't comment on whether its scary or not because you don't know.
Such stupidity.
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Game Day Hero [4149]
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
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" Do you think that because I coached PeeWee football 20 years ago it makes my thoughts about coaching and football more valid?"
No I don't, that's the point.
What does being a fan have to do with bashing a man with the coaching track record Dabo has?
It just makes you look stupid.
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Paw Warrior [5050]
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It’s a message board, people come on here to voice their opinions. The pumpers however seem to mix it up with a shrine to Dabo where he cannot be questioned. However the decisions he’s made the last 4 years bring a lot in to question
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Game Day Hero [4149]
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
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So you think he suddenly forgot how to run a program?
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Nope I think he’s gotten lazy and entitled and thought it was a machine he could just plug people in no matter their qualifications and keep rolling.
Also… everyone… even the pumpers have to admit… Dabo has never been an X’s and O’s guy. He’s a CEO type that manages and lets his coaches coach or at least… he used to be.
Honestly for that matter… how has Dabo looked since BV left? Tony and Jeff left? Marion Hobby and Dan Brooks left?
If anything… since those guys left… I question if Dabo knew anything about X’s and O’s to begin with the way we’ve looked since those guys were roaming the sidelines.
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TigerRag4416 bringing the "Truth" folks!
Best post I've read in-a-long time!!!
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Orange Beast [6545]
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
Sep 30, 2025, 2:58 PM
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Exactly my thoughts, I've said the same thing. After the 2 Nattys, Dabo got to comfortable.....didn't really care which personnel he lost or brought in, by then he thought Clemson would run itself and keep bringing in top guys (To some aspect it has), but the failure to coach them guys up and keep that same drive and hunger before the Nattys is long gone. He also has an issue of owning up to mistakes and calling people out until its way overdue.
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Orange Beast [6545]
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
Sep 30, 2025, 3:00 PM
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I always thought Dabo was a Player's coach, not an Xs and Os coach. He's always been the motivator and mouthpiece of the team, but he's only as good as his surrounding coaches.
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
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Coaches paid 11 million a year should do what’s in the best interest of the school that’s paying them. In his case that’s not letting your stubbornness and resistance to the changes in college football keep you from adapting. The nepotism has to stop also. Even his daughter in law is on the payroll as his administrative assistant along with his son(s) and his brother. There are yes men everywhere around him.
I don’t want him to leave. He’s done great things for Clemson. He hasn’t forgot how to run a program but his stubborn nature is killing the incredible program we once had. None of us want to see it happen. It’s hard to watch.
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Paw Warrior [5050]
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
Sep 30, 2025, 3:47 PM
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He’s not forgotten how to run one like it’s 2016, but he’s got to make some significant changes this offseason to run an elite one again in 2026 and beyond
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
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Well sorta yes. You can get so tunnel "visioned" with your own success, that you make weak and poor decisions. So many prior athletes coaching at this level, with no experience, IS a problem. It's obvious!~!~
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All-Pro [723]
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Sep 30, 2025, 12:32 PM
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Coach Swinney and all other coaches ( football, basketball, baseball etc )
are in the spotlight particularly HCs. Couple that with Millions of dollars
being given annually to HCs and the standards they set mix that all
together with winning and losing provides fodder for all fans especially
in this modern age of information. Let the good times roll and the stories
be told, bottom line we all have different opinions and that is a good
"thang".
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Ring of Honor [23123]
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The Big Dog ... You make some valid points, and isn't watching a lot of video truly what makes someone a football coach. But on top of that, we can all absolutely agree Dabo has some 1st percentile communication, motivational and organizational coaching skill sets.
That said, the General does not send his battalions out to fight armed with daggers and swords. Without, the right weapons, his troops can't win. They could be massacred. And these Clemson teams are playing against better personnel recruited from both high schools and the college transfer portal; consequently, Clemson has regressed and is faring poorly. Dabo is/has been a great coach, but he's demonstrating on a weekly basis particularly vs. ranked teams that he is unable to compete with inferior Clemson troops and inexperienced coaches.
The end result is quality players are losing interest in Clemson. Quality players want to win. And they want to play where they can win, develop and play in the NFL. Clemson can settle for mediocrity. But that's not our modus operandi.
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Game Day Hero [4149]
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Sep 30, 2025, 2:10 PM
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TU but I have to disagree that players are losing interest because of our record. I think parity has increased across the board making it harder to win week to week which is a good thing for the sport.
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Athletic Dir [1129]
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Im not a chef, but I know bad cooking when I taste it***
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Ultimate Tiger [35195]
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You have the right to not eat the bad cooking.
Sep 30, 2025, 2:04 PM
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If you make a good enough argument, you don't even have to pay for it.
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Re: Why do people who have never held public office
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Sep 30, 2025, 12:10 PM
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Criticize others and call them names for their personal views?
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Clemson Icon [24869]
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get high paying jobs at Clemson? ... that a damm good question.
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Dynasty Maker [3207]
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
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Sep 30, 2025, 12:14 PM
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Because the team is so broken right now that even someone who doesn't know X's and O's realizes it. Dabo's philosophy on portal usage is bitting him in the ### because it's not "Clemson is better top to bottom" anymore. The rosters are leveled out and it's really putting a microscope on Dabo's coaching ability.
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National Champion [7102]
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$11 Mill for 1-3 sucks
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Sep 30, 2025, 12:14 PM
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You didn't have to play football to understand this....
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You just described most of the staff.***
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Orange Beast [6561]
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2 very simple rules apply here
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Sep 30, 2025, 12:18 PM
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1) On offense, move down the field to cross the goal line for points.
2) On defense, tackle the man with the ball so that he doesn't achieve Goal 1.
Clemson is not very good at either of these and I'm positive that me & Dabo both know this...
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Ring of Honor [23123]
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I have never been an astronaut
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Sep 30, 2025, 12:19 PM
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However, I suggest Major Tom should not leave the capsule without his space helmet. Capisce?
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Clemson Icon [24869]
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and I'm floating in a most peculiar way
Sep 30, 2025, 12:31 PM
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Ring of Honor [23123]
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Re: and I'm floating in a most peculiar way
Sep 30, 2025, 1:06 PM
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Yes, we are, you get it.
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
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Sep 30, 2025, 12:19 PM
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How can someone who's had absolutely zero culinary training tell if the cook has burned their steak?
How can someone that has never had music lessons tell if a famous musician hits the wrong note??
It's such a mystery!!
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National Champion [7285]
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Probably because they don't like seeing the man
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Sep 30, 2025, 12:26 PM
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who's won 2 natty's and 9 conference titles go 1-3.
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
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Fairly easy for coaches,non coaches, former players, and people who have never played a down to see the decline in the product on the field in the last 5 years.
The increase in the number of coaches and support staff. The increase of friends,family, and first time coaches.
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You dont have to be a dentist to realize you have a toothache***
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Do you need to be a 5 star chef to cook dinner?
Do you need to be a cop to understand laws?
Do you need to be a barber to cut hair?
The list goes on and on.
This is a weak cop out excuse. I and most here have been watching or playing this game or both most of my life. Considering we’ve seen 2 national championship teams in our lives and some here 3… doesn’t it make sense that would we know what that would look like?
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
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I have never painted a car but if I see a car which has just been repainted and is full streaks, drips and orange peel, I can certainly recognize a bad job. It does not take an expert to have a valid opinion.
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
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Sep 30, 2025, 12:43 PM
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Probably the same reason people who have never coached a down think they're better than those who express an opinion.
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CU Guru [1520]
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
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Sep 30, 2025, 12:48 PM
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I have a better career record and have won 4 times the titles that Dabo has…….on EA Sports College Football…. on the second hardest difficulty setting, with wear and tear turned off .
Not saying this makes me a better coach than Dabo but we are definitely in the same peer group!!!!
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Whats comical is that youre actually being serious.***
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Clemson Icon [24869]
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Why do people who have never coded one line of software complain
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Sep 30, 2025, 12:54 PM
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about a program full of bugs? It's baffling.
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
Sep 30, 2025, 12:56 PM
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i see both sides of this argument. because both sides are right.
if the fans are, in fact, the entertainment customers who pay to watch, they have a right to voice what they want to see.
if the fans are trying to offer constructive criticism from their collective observations- input from all places can be useful
if the fans are here to tear down and flame- it serves no purpose and i doubt your job performance in your position particular occupation could meet the expectations you have of others.
the offense is stale, everything takes too long, run game isn’t using the talent available, the defense looks passive on front and back, and swinney has been condescending when questioned.
that said, he is a great coach and we have a program to be envied.
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Sep 30, 2025, 12:59 PM
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So following what you’re saying, 99% of the population can’t have a political opinion or voice displeasure with any elected official because they’ve never held office. Cool. You don’t have to be a coach to see the difference in this team from years past.
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Game Day Hero [4552]
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
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Because himself is standing there and telling us he's a failure. Next
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What dumb logic.***
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Orange Blooded [2538]
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
Sep 30, 2025, 1:10 PM
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Because they're miserable people with miserable lives.
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Game Day Hero [4177]
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Sep 30, 2025, 1:22 PM
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I doubt anyone thinks they know more than Dabo or could do a better job. Fans have already vented when things aren’t going well. None of this is exclusive to Dabo or anything new.
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Orange Blooded [2335]
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
Sep 30, 2025, 1:22 PM
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I give credit to Dabo for his accomplishments and I am proud to have him as our coach with his ability to build character in young men. Having said that - football is not a complicated game.
Basic honest fans, especially those that have played and watched many years, understand what is happening and why strategies are set against opposition.
You can see the difference of being outmanned or outplayed or self destructive or lazy or too amped and over running or mental mistakes etc regardless of win or loss. We have not played consistently good football for a while from a game to game aspect and in some cases series to series. I think it is culmination of many different reasons but one can see it when we play.
The complaint is justified when Dabo himself has gotten away from what made him a two time winner in NCGs. Recognizing that does not mean we claim to know more than Dabo but what we know is still true. We have gotten away from what made us elite. We can see it.
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Orange Beast [6426]
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Yet…. Coach Sweeney admitted today there have been coaching failures.
You don’t need to be an expert in the field to know something is not working.
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
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Sep 30, 2025, 1:32 PM
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I don’t know how to build a pool either but I know what a good one is supposed to look like when it’s done.
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I don't work in the lab testing department for the gastroenterologist,
Sep 30, 2025, 1:35 PM
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butt I can identify a sample of #### when I smell it.
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think they know better than a man who's won 2 national titles and played for another?
It's really quite comical to listen to.
Before you bash the man ask yourself if your credentials come close and if they don't, should you really continue with your criticism?
Are you the original Karen Sunshine Pumper? If Dabo is so knowledgeable, why does he continue to hire dumb ##### and have a 1-3 record (3 losses were upsets)?
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I could have had us 1-3, at the worst I would have only lost one more***
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Re: Why do people who have never coached a down
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Thanks for keeping us up to date on who is allowed to have opinions. We non-coaches really depend on you to keep us from accidentally pointing out facts.
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I tell you what
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we get a few of these posts every year.... you don't have to be a million dollar coach or even a coach at all to spot deficiencies in play in many, many sports. Post like this make NO SENSE. This is a board, or if it be a radio show or other, there are people everywhere and all over who aren't coaches who see a lot of stuff and comment on it. Not sure what you're point is.
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Do you have to be a biologist to know what a woman is?? Well……some people do.
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