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Wake up sheep
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Wake up sheep


Dec 20, 2022, 10:18 AM
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Liars - All of them

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You and your photoshops.***


Dec 20, 2022, 10:19 AM
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Re: You and your photoshops.***


Dec 20, 2022, 10:23 AM
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Fauci is much older

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And this doesn't show his demon horns.***


Dec 20, 2022, 10:24 AM
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They are all at CVS ... lining up to get their 10th booster.***


Dec 20, 2022, 10:26 AM
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Take your crap elsewhere. Nobody wants to see it.***


Dec 20, 2022, 10:27 AM
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Re: Wake up sheep


Dec 20, 2022, 10:31 AM
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Dr Deborah Birx, “I knew these vaccines were not going to protect against infection”. Remember her?

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Re: Wake up sheep


Dec 20, 2022, 10:42 AM
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So exactly what were they for?

Don't stop the transmission

Don't prevent you from getting it

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Re: Wake up sheep


Dec 20, 2022, 10:44 AM
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Not sure but they sure made some people rich.

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Vectors of microchips made a team of lizard people


Dec 20, 2022, 10:46 AM [ in reply to Re: Wake up sheep ]
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sent here from the secret cabal headquartered underground beneath the streets of Jerusalem.

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No vaccines of any kind prevent you from getting a disease.


Dec 20, 2022, 11:00 AM [ in reply to Re: Wake up sheep ]
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Their entire purpose is to teach your immune system to identify and attack a virus once you're infected. They prevent you from experiencing symptoms or getting sick or at least reduce the severity of symptoms or sickness.

Here's exactly what Dr. Birx said: "I knew these vaccines were not going to protect against infection. I think we overplayed the vaccines, and it made people then worry that it's not going to protect against severe disease and hospitalization. It will."

The COVID virus has been mutating, which affects the effectiveness of older vaccines. The vaccines have since been updated to work against newer strains. Now, of course, there are two new strains which are dominant and the omicron vaccines aren't as effective against them.

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Clearly you did not do your own research on


Dec 20, 2022, 11:03 AM
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VaxTruthersUnitedAgainstDemonBlood.net

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Re: No vaccines of any kind prevent you from getting a disease.


Dec 20, 2022, 11:16 AM [ in reply to No vaccines of any kind prevent you from getting a disease. ]
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That is her entire quote and you are correct on that. However, they absolutely did mislead the public into thinking it would stop transmission.
Now the part you mentioned about training your immune system. That’s correct and that’s the goal. The goal is to try to copy what the body would do through natural immunity after being exposed to the virus. That is one of the things that made lots of people mistrust. They denied basic immunology when it comes to natural immunity and as a result lots of people started asking questions about their sincerity.

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That would explain how they "overplayed the vaccines."


Dec 20, 2022, 11:29 AM
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I never followed the daily briefings and I never became overly fascinated by what Fauci or Birx or Cuomo or anyone else said from one day to the next. That's missing the forest for the trees. I think their goal was to reassure people, but it backfired to some degree. In an attempt to provide as much information as possible, they ended up contradicting earlier statements, which eroded trust with people who were already skeptical.

Using that lack of trust as a pretext for trusting crackpots on the internet will never make sense to me. But that's a whole nother story.

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Re: That would explain how they "overplayed the vaccines."


Dec 20, 2022, 11:33 AM
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I agree there are some crackpots on the internet. But doctors who demonized people like me making the choice for natural immunity were flat out frauds. That was the big rub with the ones who tried to force the shots. As I said before, if someone wants the shots go for it.

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Re: That would explain how they "overplayed the vaccines."


Dec 20, 2022, 1:39 PM [ in reply to That would explain how they "overplayed the vaccines." ]
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So then why does it matter if I don't get it if vaxxed are "protected"?

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Re: That would explain how they "overplayed the vaccines."


Dec 20, 2022, 1:49 PM
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Not sure what you’re asking?

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Re: That would explain how they "overplayed the vaccines."


Dec 26, 2022, 8:06 PM
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If the vaxes where simply to protect the person being vaxed, then why have mandatory vaxes by government and employers. Why have vax cards and restrictions on flying. Why have Hollywood, sports world, gov institutions promoting it?

They provide zero protection and they needed massive participation.

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Re: That would explain how they "overplayed the vaccines."


Dec 26, 2022, 10:14 PM
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Very little of it made sense. Most of the things that were pushed definitely were not medically sound. I’m still trying to figure out why most of the medical professionals caved and abandoned the basics in immunology. Doctors who spoke the common sense truth were quickly demonized. I can say , however, I’m seeing more doctors having their brains return to their bodies lately.

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Re: That would explain how they "overplayed the vaccines."


Dec 27, 2022, 9:30 AM
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Easy follow the $

Lots of monetary incentives for positive tests, remdesimir, ventilators and hospital stays.

However, the main monetary incentive was loss of job. If they tried to prescribe things like Ivermectin they were threatened with loss of license and their practice.

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Re: Wake up sheep


Dec 20, 2022, 10:49 AM
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At this point I have a peaceful live and let live attitude on the vaccines. If a person wants the vaccine and every booster then go for it. I’m not taking any of them and neither has anyone in my family. We all cool?

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The way it should be.***


Dec 20, 2022, 10:57 AM
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Re: The way it should be.***


Dec 20, 2022, 10:59 AM
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Thank you! I would think that’s a reasonable and fair position.

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I agree as well. You get it either way.


Dec 20, 2022, 12:13 PM
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And the same dangers as well. Up to you to decide, natural or not. It happens either way. But there's a reason every single country pushed vaccines, and they came up with 20 or so vaccines immediately, and gave them to billions in many countries, without proper testing. The reason for that is what most don't know.

But yeah, you can get choose, always said vaccines should be a choice. Even China says they're a choice. Because there are only two ways forward, with a covid infection, and/or a vaccine, then a covid infection that's milder.

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Re: I agree as well. You get it either way.


Dec 20, 2022, 12:20 PM
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I agree that everybody is going to get it. I also have more confidence in natural immunity.

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Re: I agree as well. You get it either way.


Dec 27, 2022, 9:53 AM
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So maybe it is not a virus. Here we are 3 years later and nobody has isolated it even with millions of dollars of reward money out there. That brings up 2 very important questions:

1) is it a virus?
2) how can you make a vaccine without isolating the virus?

https://samueleckert.net/die-1-500-000-e-wette-der-isolatetruthfund-wurde-angenommen/


Also, why were there so many many incentive programs?

https://www.goodrx.com/health-topic/vaccines/covid-19-vaccination-incentives


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Re: I agree as well. You get it either way.


Dec 27, 2022, 10:10 AM
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http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-10/31/c_138517734.htm

October 2019


https://www.pcmag.com/news/t-mobile-gives-away-free-5g-phones

https://www.5gradar.com/news/verizon-offers-new-and-existing-us-customers-free-5g-phones

https://about.att.com/story/2020/apple_iphone.html


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Re: Wake up sheep


Dec 26, 2022, 10:44 PM [ in reply to Re: Wake up sheep ]
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Tardog said:

At this point I have a peaceful live and let live attitude on the vaccines. If a person wants the vaccine and every booster then go for it. I’m not taking any of them and neither has anyone in my family. We all cool?




You've posted on other threads that we should live our lives AND that people should stop getting jabs, no?

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Re: Wake up sheep


Dec 27, 2022, 7:08 AM
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No sir. I’ve never told people to stop taking jabs. It’s a personal choice. What I’ve said is that there are dangers with the shots and people should be better informed and make a wise decision. I do think most people should not take the shots but again, it’s their decision. I’ve had a major problem with people not respecting natural immunity as a very reasonable choice. One poster even called me an “ incubator of death”. What a stupid , uninformed statement that was! So, take all the shots you want but respect my medically sound decision to opt out based on natural immunity. That’s my stance and it has not changed. So, yes, that is a live and let live position.

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Commie Lib! When the sheep wake up, then they are “woke”!***


Dec 20, 2022, 11:10 AM
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Yep.


Dec 20, 2022, 12:08 PM
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Yes, they have all lied. Many times. Just as Biden will never admit we are in a recession, they will never admit what covid does. I bet you think covid is a pandemic. Lol, that was lie #1. In fairness, at the time they didn't know (or could have maybe?), but everyone knew by the end of 2020. It's not a pandemic. Honestly, it never has been. It's been around for decades. The scientists knew. You think we came up with mRNA vaccines, and tried to use them, in a few months, for a cold? You think "long covid" is made up? Or new? There was long SARS in 2003. You think omicron is just another variant? You think covid only impacts humans? 80% of mammal species are subject to getting covid. 300+ have it. Many have had it for decades. It's not just bats, or camels, or cats, lions, bear, mink, armadillos, deer, etc. FAR more reservoirs than influenza, even. All-cause mortality is 600% higher the year after a SARS infection, and covid seems to be carrying along those same lines. You think that's just too many twinkies? Or lockdowns or masks? Or vaccines? Humm....Do you think the record CHILDREN hospitalized with influenza and RSV, among other viruses, is immunity debt? All those lockdowns and masks?

The truth is out there. It's not going to be told to you, you just have to find it yourself. You will not get it from a politician. You won't get it from the news, or the media, or even scientists paid by politicians. You just have to find it yourself.

Interesting thing, I sent a DM to a leading scientist about covid. He's probably more famous that Robert Malone. You'd know his name. He's about as well known as Fauci, in his sphere of influence. I asked him a simple question, and to my surprise he responded, and NOT the way I assumed. I asked him to walk me back from a theory I've had since early 2020, and unfortunately, he didn't. Theory goes covid is NOT a pandemic. Never was really. My theory is covid is similar to influenza. Influenza is not a pandemic, only novel VARIANTS of influenza are pandemics. But influenza itself is a virus we all live with and have since the beginning of history. There is no record of how/when influenza started. Theory goes on to speculate that when the first cases of influenza crossed to humans, before recorded history, from whatever animal reservoir, it WAS a pandemic. Early on, every new flu variant was also a pandemic. Eventually it ran out of new variants, settled down, and became an endemic disease, only to reemerge when a new, novel variant jumped from some other animal species. The theory is covid is influenza 2.0.

His response was chilling. He said covid is a different virus, but it is not a pandemic, and what is happening with covid is likely similar to when influenza first started. Now this isn't what you will hear ANY politician say. But I believe him. He's not one of the covidian nutjobs either. He's been very reserved, as have most scientists who are paid with tax dollars. I thanked him for his candor.

Studies have been done that show around 80% of mammal species, including humans, are susceptible to covid (SARS-0Cov2) infection, to varying degrees. Hundreds of mammal species have also shown the virus is already (and has been) endemic in their populations for some time. It is not severe in many mammals, but their blood shows the markers of infections. Not just bats, but cats, dogs, armadillos, gorillas, basically the entire circus or zoo, rats, hamsters, mink, deer, the list is endless. It is present in FAR MORE mammals than influenza infects. As such, omicron is probably just the first, and biggest, of many crossover variants, that will become pandemics. Omicron isn't just another variant, it's SARS cov3 basically. And there will be others. They will appear less and less frequently over time, but like influenza, there will always be a danger of a crossover pandemic variant.

Omicron was likely a crossover from some rodent species, in Africa. We honestly don't know where it came from, but most likely it came from some other mammal species. There will be others. But our thinking, what we ALL are told, is covid is a pandemic. It isn't. It's a whole new virus humans will always be subjected to, and it will force evolution, over time. Perhaps the first major virus to force evolution in centuries. Our technology and science has prevented millions of deaths. Covid is every bit as deadly as the Spanish flu, IF you take into account there was no such thing as fever reducers, supplemental oxygen, antivirals, or steroids in 1918. The majority of those ever hospitalized with covid, would have been deaths in 1918, or 1818, or in 218AD, or 10,000BC. As such, we have short-circuited the evolution, to a degree. The vaccines are a big part of that. Sure, they're deadly and under no traditional circumstance would they be used. BUT, if you know the truth, well, they're almost a no-brainer.

Those pushing the vaccines know this. The vaccines were NOT taken lightly, and under MANY other circumstances would not have even been used. But this was a scenario where you pull out all the stops. This is not a pandemic. In many ways it's worse than a pandemic. This is a virus humans lack the biology (literally) to eradicate. Same with influenza and many other viruses that dysregulate innate immune responses (common cold, RSV, adeno/rhino virus, norovirus, etc.). 12% of the human genome are leftover viral RNA. There's a reason for that. The vaccines introduced covid to that list of genes, and if the vaccine doesn't, covid will anyway. It is not gene therapy, but neither is covid. It is genes, period. And we will acquire them, just as we have with influenza, naturally, and/or with vaccines.

So we will learn to live with omicron, under the assumption this is a pandemic and will end, but that does not appear to be in the cards. Those who say it is a pandemic, who call it a pandemic, that's your first level of liars. SARS went almost 10 years, before it became MERS (camels - 2012). Took another 10 years to become SARS-Cov2 (bats? who knows - 2019). Took another two years (almost) to become omicron (rats? 2021?). We will see what is next. There's a long time to go with this.

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So what is the functional difference of labeling this a


Dec 20, 2022, 12:13 PM
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pandemic, or not?

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A pandemic insinuates some conclusion, finality, an ending.


Dec 20, 2022, 12:51 PM
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Pandemics end. There is hope, and optimism in that, a belief that if it ends, things return to "normal". A flu pandemic, for example, is a novel influenza virus. Fine, we all get it, many people die, many more recover, and there are waves, usually a small one, a larger one, and maybe one or two smaller ones. Then it is "over". We have immunity to that flu variant, and often others that are similar. BUT, influenza carries on until a new novel variant creates another pandemic. Initially, with influenza, the first and every variant for a period of time was a pandemic. One after another, after another, until we saw them all and developed broad immunity.

Remember, "two weeks to break the curve"? Remember the promises there would be a few waves, and covid would just disappear (Trump, for example said just that). That worked for a long time, but it's clear now this is not a pandemic. So they're pretending it is over, when it isn't. There are many "forever" viruses, we all know them. Colds (many viruses, including covid), HIV, influenza, there are many. But the "forever" viruses ALL have one common trait, a common trait that makes them literally beyond the reach of our own human biology to eradicate. That trait is something seen VERY early with covid (China documented this in early 2020 fwiw). That trait, covid does perhaps better than any other known virus, and certainly better than any respiratory virus (HIV is closest).

That trait is the dysregulation (blocking) of infected cells from releasing interferons. An interferon is a protein released by the mitochondria in a cell that alerts your immune system that "HEY, THIS CELL IS INFECTED". T cells pick up the signals of interferons, identify the infected cell, and call in the proper antibodies to kill the virus. Covid BLOCKS the release of interferons in infected cells, and does it VERY well. Once you know this, you know several other things. One, there can be no vaccine that stops transmission. Vaccines introduce S genes from covid into the body, prompting an immune response, and the creation of antibodies. Problem is, even if you have perfect antibodies to the variant in the vaccine, transmission will still occur as those antibodies can not work unless called upon by T cells who are responding to interferons being released from infected cells. Vaccine antibodies, even when not well matched, DO REDUCE SEVERITY, as you clear the virus faster, and better. But that is just an aid in viral clearance (reduces severity of symptoms and decreases deaths), not transmission.

Second thing, when interferons are blocked, there IS NO HERD IMMUNITY. There is no herd immunity to colds, RSV, adenovirus, Norovirus, HIV, influenza, OR COVID. There is herd immunity in the sense we can CLEAR the virus easier, become less ill, but it is not an END of the virus. Nothing, literally, can stop transmission. If you have perfect antibodies, you will have minimal (or no) symptoms. But the virus still transmits. There is herd "not dying" from viruses, and herd "less severity", but there is no immunity, in the sense of preventing infection or transmission.

So yeah, OP is right. They have all lied, but not in the way he wishes.

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I'm not disagreeing you by any stretch because the


Dec 20, 2022, 1:02 PM
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Right were the first to say out loud pretty much this -- that it was clear COVID was with us permanently and we just needed to live with it one way or another (deaths or vaccines, or both in some cases). I'm just trying to determine the functional difference of the labeling.

But if I'm reading you right, and I would agree with this, the notion of a conclusion to a pandemic potentially guides State action based on this conclusion, and had we recognized COVIDs reality sooner, we might have avoided some of the fallout from policies based on the idea it could be defeated?

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Dec 26, 2022, 10:50 PM
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Obviously, vaccines and boosters lower the rates of hospitalizations.

https://publichealthinsider.com/2021/09/03/new-data-dashboard-tracks-covid-19-risk-for-unvaccinated-people-compared-to-vaccinated-people/


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Dec 27, 2022, 7:13 AM
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Check the date on that article.

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