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This is like lining up a good eulogy for your funeral rather than
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you know, not trying to die.
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I said it yesterday, but if "X" goes out of business
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Will it matter?
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Re: I said it yesterday, but if "X" goes out of business
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Inshallah, god willing that cesspool will go away into the trash heap of history. How much “news” these days is just something some random idiot tweeted?
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I think it would have up until a certain point.
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But BlueSky appears to have consolidated as the successor, and whatever value people derived from Twitter (which, Twitter is/was my favorite, most used platform) will pick up there.
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I've come to the conclusion that giving everyone a voice and opinion
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on every topic, available immediately to everyone, in the end, probably wasn't the best idea.
But that's just my opinion.
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Where the effects of social media probably hurt was it gave people
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a way to connect with others who shared their bad opinions, which made them feel like they were right.
Before idiots had to suffer alone before realizing isolation was a consequence of being stupid.
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I think you are giving people from the past too much credit.
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They never realized anything, the rest of us just had more insulation from them.
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Re: Elon Musk cementing his legacy as a business genius.
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The guy looks and sounds like he has completely pickled his brain. This was the guy that was going to colonize Mars, now he’s building stupidnfucking robot trucks nobody asked for, inexplicably changing the name of the social media company he overpaid for and plunging it into the ground, and spending his time online trolling. What the hell happened to him.
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I think he's the same guy he's always been.
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He was a weirdo when he made rockets, flame throwers, and poor quality covered golf carts.
He still a weirdo with a social media company.
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That follows my theory with social media.
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It hasn't made people any less stupid or weird, it's just given them a public platform to broadcast it.
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Its funny the same people that hated Elon for making them "stupid 'lectric cars"
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and having 8 kids with weird names from 3 different women are now his biggest fanboys.
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It's because he told them he was a Republican.
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In spite of donating and publicly supporting Democrats, while not doing the same in GOP races. But dangit, he told people he was a Republican and that was that. It surely had nothing to do with that expose that came out a few days later.
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Re: I think he's the same guy he's always been.
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Tesla will go broke too at one point. He alienated top.many people and he has more competition growing. The guy is a mentally ill fool.
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If I owned and ran Twitter, I wouldn't have a Twitter account.
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If I did, it would be 100% puppy posts, philanthropic stuff, and feel-good stories. I would reply to no one, ever.
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Anyone with reasonable common sense like that isn't cut out for a
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Guilty as charged.***
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I hear Bud Light is flush with advertising cash.***
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Im jealous
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I think anyone is lying who says they wouldn’t love to have enough money to do whatever they want, including telling the world to KYA if they don’t like something.
It’s the American effing dream and I’m pretty envious.
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That would all depend on if losing that money is really what he wants.
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There is a difference between not caring about blowing away $50 billion, or actually caring very much but being unable to control oneself not to do it.
The question is what side of the line does Elon fall. My guess is he wants us to think it's the first, but really it's the latter.
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I really think it's the first.***
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Not that I doubt he's that way, but losing that money would seemingly hinder
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his other passion projects with Tesla, SpaceX, and Starlink.
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Tesla has a market cap of $750B with $13B in annual profits now.
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SpaceX has a $150B valuation.
He seems well insulated against a paltry $50B loss.
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In that case you may be right.***
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Do you really think that Tesla is worth more than the value of Toyota, Honda,
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Ford, GM, Stellantis, Nissan, Ferrari, VW, Porsche, and Audi...all combined? I get that's what the market says, but do you not think that's some seriously overvalued stock? Its the bitcoin version of a car company.
Tesla is ANOTHER of Elon's companies that could go away tomorrow, and it wouldn't matter. If all those other companies went away tomorrow, transportation would collapse..as well as several countries economies.
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On paper? Absolutely they are.
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In reality? Yeah, it sure seems high for their overall valuation, but in their defense, we're past the days where everyone is happy over a quarterly loss being less than expected.
They're the most profitable American manufacturer now by a good margin. They're far better positioned than any competitior for an electric transition that sure seems to be coming whether we like it or not. They have a charging network that makes a complete joke out of any other competition in that space. They're enough of a 500 pound gorilla against the likes of GM and Ford that the latter are having to come around and adapt their charging standard and pay for shared access to their network.
They're beating the legacy companies at their own game, and I guess that's worth something.
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I imagine there will be a lot of folks out there that at this time next year
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who will still be making claims that "X" is on the precipice of going under. In fact, I'm fairly certain that Elon Musk and "X" will still be around five years from now and we'll still hear how he is one day away from running out of programmers, administrators, and advertisers and that "X" is on its last gasp. Funny how these "X" doom and gloom predictions never seem to pan out...
As far as Musk being a business genius - don't know about the "genius" part but if I had to choose between having Elon's bank account vs those who continually criticize him - I'll take Elon's bank account every time. Just spit ballin' here but Elon's track record and bank account seems to indicate he's been real good at this business thing...
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Again, one would think if he didn't care about money.
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He wouldn't get so salty about advertisers leaving.
Unless you're saying him saying Iger can eff-off is evidence he doesn't care. Though some would argue back he only said that because he is butt hurt about it.
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The case made by detractors is that he's a horrible businessman.
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His hit rate suggests they may be wrong, but I don't even judge the guy on his business acumen.
I think he's one of the great minds/visionaries of our era, more like a Ford or an Edison than Jack Welch, and the fruits of that thinking had no other option but to generate a pile of money. He might not have invented every innovation to stem from his companies, but he put the right people together in the right environment with the right directional leadership to bear fruit, and that's pretty freaking far from nuthin.
Just as a car guy, I can't count the number of big dreaming electric car startups I've seen crash and burn since the 70's, but he's the first to be successful. Buying a defunct giant Toyota plant for pennies on the dollar, building a car that emphasized make-you-actually-LOL performance and getting it in the hands of influencers, and having the foresight to build, own, and control the charging infrastructure were all strokes of intellect that seem easy enough in hindsight, but no one had done before him.
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It will be interesting to see what happens with Teslas collective values
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as 5-8 year old cars come up with their $20K-$30K battery replacement costs start to take affect en masse.
Obviously, I'm not that smart about pretty much anything, but I would tend to think that when a car gets 5-7 years old and needs $20k+ worth of parts to even keep it moving, not many folks are going to do that...and the car becomes junk yard material.
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This is me talking out of my assss here a little bit.
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But I've felt Teslas biggest problem was they didn't innovate enough to maintain their hold on the EV market. Not that Tesla's aren't innovative (The Model X is truly incredible), but that they hit the market with a product that was hard to make better. The price point also left room for cheaper options from the major players who could mass produce more cheaply, and gave them a foothold.
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Tesla is the EV market, nobody is coming close to them
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They're trying, but they're failing spectacularly. EV's may very well put other auto manufactures out of business.
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But isn't that the same problem that will plague all battery run cars regardless
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of the manufacturer and not just Teslas?
To my knowledge all EV batteries will eventually lose charging capacity to the point that after enough charging cycles all of them will require replacement. Anyone have any experience with this??
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The other way to look at is this....
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I'm seeing $15-16k as the battery replacement cost for a Model 3. It can be done cheaper independently, but that's the cost from Tesla, so we can stick with that. As I mentioned before, these cars are getting a lot of fleet duty, so the sample size is growing of these cars with batteries having no issues through 250-300k miles.
What's comparable to the performance of a Model 3 in a sedan. A BMW M3? Mercedes C63? At 250k miles in one of those, you will have needed a new engine and transmission. That will eat up every bit of a $20k bill and then some if you take it to the dealer and get that done. On top of that, over the time you took to get to 250k, you can add in all the alternators, water pumps, spark plugs and gasket and seal replacements that you had to throw at it. I struggle to create the spread sheet which shows a car with the performance and capability of the average Tesla coming in more expensive than an equivalent gas powered car over the same lifespan.
Even with something mundane like an Accord or a Camry, it might not need the new engine at 250k, but you aren't going to be far off either, and if nothing else you might be a wash with the Tesla.
Again, to clarify---I'm not a Tesla fanboy and I hate the idea of being forced to move to electric cars. I'm a geared who wants a V8 in my garage as long as I can have one. But the economics of something like a used model 3 as a solid around town car is hard to ignore.
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Even at 80%, it's hitting mileages when most people are hoping to get a
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few bucks out their cars trying to sell them at that point.
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There's zero possibility I'd buy an EV with say, 80K+ miles on it
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When I'd know it's going to need (at least) a $15K-$20K battery soon. The car would have to be free...or even less than that.
To reference Obed's scenario, I'd have no heartburn sticking a junkyard engine or transmission for a couple grand in a older Benz or BMW (but in reality, I wouldn't buy either one of those at that mileage without knowing their extensive maintenance history). At that mileage, for me (and most people) an older Honda or Toyota makes a ton more sense.
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I'm certainly no EV fanboy, but I got my truck serviced this week
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and my mechanic was putting a new Jasper 5.4 Triton V8 into a 2009 F-150 to the tune of $15k. Apparently just to service my transmission is going to be almost $1200. Things don't be like they used to be, apparently.
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Well, thats a 5.4.
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Even with a new Jasper engine it will still be blowing spark plugs out of the hood. I'm not sure I'd put $15k in to a 15 year old truck, either.
$1200 to change a fluid and filter? Even with a power flush that's dealer highway robbery. What did the guy want who worked on your last truck? He was trustable, wasn't he?
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It's ~ $10k for a new Hemi installed
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I wouldn't either, apparently the guy is just old and likes his truck.
It's the same mechanic, I trust him. It's something about the ZF filter being hella expensive, the same thing on my old truck would have only been a few hundred $$.
He works on diesels too, said you don't even want to know what those cost to do basic repairs on. He had two later model 6.7 Powerstroke F-250's in there with the cabs pulled off.
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When I took the Ram into the shop to get it looked at after that potential
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buyers' mechanic took a dump all over it, I didn't even ask for repair estimates because I knew it was going to be pennies compared to what I paid to get the Merc fixed.
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Pulling the cab off isn't a bad job, from what I have seen.
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When the CP4 high pressure fuel pump takes a dump (and it will) and sprays metal shavings through the injection system..it's a 10K job just to fix that. And teh only way to R/R all the injectors is pull the cab.
Not sure if you saw my post this morning to Mumbo about the 6.0l Ford diesel..they used to do the same to those to fix the head stud problems and "bulletproof" the head and turbos. And that was on an Excursion--definitely NOT an easy job.
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Not to open a can of high density worms...BUT
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An EV at 80% battery life still has a ton of value for people who don't need it to drive long hauls, unless I'm missing something about this battery milestone where 80% basically bricks the car. You'd only want to replace the batter if you needed full range.
Plus, I believe the story goes that Teslas and other EVs have less moving parts, so maintenance on high mileage EVs is pretty easy since there is less to break over time.
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I get the maintenance thing.
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But we're talking about going forward, not having owned the thing its whole life, right?
But lets make up a scenario, say, buying your kid a car for college:
an 8-10 year old Model 3 with 80K miles on it costs $15K.
An 8-10 year old Toyota Corolla with 80k miles costs $15k.
Which one are you sending your princess off to college in?
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I've been watching this guy on Youtube recently
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Rich Rebuilds, who has an EV shop in Massachusetts (https://www.electrifiedgarage.com). In his most recent video he was discussing the battery costs/repair/replacement of EVs, and he cited the lack of repair shops, the cost of possible repair/replacement vs sending the car back to the manufacturer to fix them. That, and its often several things that kill the range..and NOT just the battery.
I didn't really have an opinion one way or another until i started watching him, but Rich was basically saying a lot of Ev's are just going to be junkyard fodder when their battery gives up, and mentioned what your source says above as well.
And he works on them on purpose.
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The lack of repair networks, and even horror stories I've heard about
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Tesla repair times, is one of my main hesitations for EVs. The Fisker Ocean looked like a neat little car (if you can ignore that Fisker may be something of a crook), but where the heck do you get that thing serviced.
Also, reading about what it cost to fix a Rivian after a fender bender had me a little concerned. At some point I'd be concerned insurers are going to figure out the costs and jack up the rates.
To your last point, China is already there:
https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2023-china-ev-graveyards/
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What a mess.
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You'd think they'd at least attempt to dismantle the batteries to recycle them. But I guess in China...who cares?
My boss at Clemson had a '13 Ford Focus EV. He lived in Greenville. Ford said the car would go ~75 miles between charges; he said it was closer to 50-55 miles. This was before the campus was littered with EV charging stations, but I noticed one day he stopped mentioning how great his EV was (he would make a point to talk about that thing almost every day). Think the fact I drove a 2500 diesel truck used to bother him a little, because I was the only one he seemed to mention his car to so much. Anyway, I guess one night he forgot to charge his car, and had to go to work the next day, and it made it about half way from Easley to Clemson and he had to get towed..so I heard. He never said a word to me about it.
He never drove his Focus to work again, I only ever saw him in his wife's minivan after that.
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This right here is the biggest forward looking opportunity
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For entrepreneurs in this space, IMHO. As Uncle Sam forces more of these vehicles down our throat, there’s going to be demand for Indy repair shops that just explodes.
Have seriously been pondering how to start a new biz in the space.
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I'm guessing battery replacements and pieces of the batteries
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are going to get very expensive, very fast, with not many people trained or even knowledgeable enough to fix them who are available.
One would think tech schools would be jumping on this, as would certification mills, like when servers and server OS's blew up in ~1995-2010.
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That wouldn't be the scenario I'm talking about though because
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you would, theoretically, need to drive long hauls for college trips wherein you'd have to have the full range.
If my commute was pretty reasonable -- 15/20miles -- an EV even at 80% would be a great option.
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Ok..given your kid goes to school...75 miles away.
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You'd rather buy her the Tesla over the Toyota?
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No, but mostly for the same reasons.
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A college student is more likely to need it for long distant traveling, so it's not practical for them. Additionally college (assuming freshman year, parking in the "pit") doesn't provide necessary recharging infrastructure. So again, I don't think this scenario is really what I'm talking about because it's not one that shows value for an EV.
The scenario I'm talking about is someone with a short commute or who needs it mostly for city driving. They also would presumably have access to charging either at home, work, or at retail places.
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This seems like a very specific requirement for a commodity like a vehicle.
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My personal scenarios are specific because I make them that way, so really, my choices and decisions don't count.
But I was just thinking that there are probably 250 houses in my hood, and other than golf carts, I've never seen an EV parked in a driveway out here. And I live close to one of the 3 exits, so if someone had one, I probably would have seen it in the past year.
Certainly everyone isn't as terminally unique as I am.
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I think any high mileage, second had vehicle has pretty specific
Dec 1, 2023, 3:49 PM
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requirements. But there are enough city dwellers to create a demand for second hand EVs so long as they aren't completely bricked either by batter or outdated tech, which, admittedly, is a big if.
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Heck, I don't know who in their right mind is going to be lining up to buy
Dec 1, 2023, 3:50 PM
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$120k SUVs soccer moms got tired with as soon as the loan is paid off because Mary Grace Freebush down the street just got the newest model.
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I watched a program last night that talked about the biggest depreciating cars
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in the last 5 years, and an Escalade ESV was in the top 5, losing a whopping 58.5% of its value in the first 5 years--or get this--$63,885 OFF the original MSRP.
I'd drive the chit out of Mary Grace Freebush's used Caddy ESV with 60K miles on it for $20-$25K. It's got an LS 6.2L AWD that'll tow about 8K pounds and literally will float over any bump in the rode. GM parts for the thing are growing out of the ground, so keeping it going and repair costs will be minimal.
Again..compare that to a Tesla Model X of the same vintage? Well screw that.
https://www.iseecars.com/cars-that-hold-their-value-study
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Oh yeah. 100%. I guess I should have said,
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I don't know who will be lining up to buy it at the price they think they should be getting for it after five years. Then again, I guess if you're buying a $120k grocery getter you probably can eat that $60k depreciation.
Then again again, there's a reason my tax attorney buddy has rich clients in hot water with the IRS. Not all of them are great with the money they have.
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All things being equal? Heck yes Id be getting the Tesla.
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Says the Dad who just ordered a new thermostat for son’s car that we will be replacing when he’s home for Christmas.
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Isn't your kid driving an old Range Rover or something?
Dec 1, 2023, 4:23 PM
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I'm not sure that's a good comparison to...anything.
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Re: Isn't your kid driving an old Range Rover
Dec 1, 2023, 10:10 PM
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Nah, newer Merc C-class. Daughter still loves her LR3 and it’s been fantastic. I’d take it back from her if she didn’t love it so much. Just a great all around vehicle.
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Re: Isn't your kid driving an old Range Rover
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Every one of Elon's businesses have been revolutionary.
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And not just revolutionary, but accessibly revolutionary. He mainstreamed the electric vehicle. He privatized space travel (which, I mean come on, that is one of the things that nobody a few decades ago would have even considered because the idea itself is so absurd). He has made high speed internet available to rural areas without in-ground infrastructure. And, made underground tunneling, for whatever it's worth, more affordable (I'm assuming here...but I bet I'm right).
You don't get lucky doing this. It is the product of vision and genius.
How he's managed Twitter, and his personal brand as a result, is completely opposite to everything else. But I don't think it's revealing something we've missed about him, but more like what happened to Ben Carson when he ran for President. Politics has a really sneaky way of making smart people look like idiots, and I think Eli ran his mouth on Twitter about political topics just as anybody else does, except he's not anybody else.
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I don't think he's a horrible businessman.
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I just don't think he's a business genius. Every decision he's made with Twitter has been a disaster and he's running the company into the ground. The only counterargument to that is, "The website's still up," which is the lowest bar imaginable.
From the moment he announced he'd buy Twitter all I could think was, "Imagine what good could have been done with $44 billion." But I guess it's cool that he can tell advertisers to go #### themselves when his company relies exclusively on ad revenue to function.
Pro tip: You don't need to be rich to be an asshole.
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You're starting from the assumption that he simply purchased
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Twitter to make it a hyper-profitable ATM machine for himself. I'm suggesting that might not be true. Like the rich guy who buys a LaFerrari and puts an awful wrap on it because he DGAF, Twitter could be a pet project for Musk to play with, profits be dammmed, simply because he didn't like what the last guys were doing with it.
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I'm pretty sure he's said he bought it for more than what "twitter" was.
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He's sat on the "X" domain for a long time to build an "everything app," and that's for what Twitter was intended to be the base. At its core it will/would have been a payment processor for a giant, self-contained ecosystem.
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I think he's a guy that spends a lot of time considering what he
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thinks are threats to humanity---that's the gist of SpaceX, that he legit thinks we will need to colonize other planets to survive. That was the genesis of Tesla, that he thought we needed to get away from fossil fuels sooner than later, and were doing a lousy job offering alternatives.
Obviously you don't have to agree with all his assessments (I sure don't), but I do think that he feels freedom of speech is dying, and he puts that up there as a similar threat to humanity, and first and foremost bought Twitter to counter that concern.
He's a quirky dude with a most of his goals having some underlying "save mankind" motivation. I'm not sure why he would shift gears and buy Twitter hoping to churn a quick boring tech-bro buck.
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Oh I agree that was a large part of his motivation.
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In addition to the business prospects of an "everything" app. But he still has wildly bungled both aspects. Some of that isn't his fault, but a hard realization that free speech absolutism is impossible on a massively public site, and that the further you push the slider in that direction, the harder it is to maintain the business objectives.
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I think you all are looking at this bungling
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the wrong way. He simply doesn’t care. He bought it to make it a free speech platform. If it doesn’t work, whatever. You are talking about a guy that has more ideas and more liquidity than anyone. It’s not like he buying the local hardware shop and making everyone mad and will bankrupt himself.
Many of you are butt hurt by Elon and I think it’s just a lack of personal security. You all are acting like a bunch of Karen’s.
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How you gonna come in here,
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Restate what I said in angrier one-syllable words, and then say we’re all wrong?
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Re: How you gonna come in here,
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I ain’t reading all that sheet mane. I am just throwing in my 2 cents.
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MetaKaren***
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Wait, is it a defense of Elon Musk to say
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he's doing a terrible job because he doesn't care? That can't be the best spin on this.
Also, it doesn't make sense to say he doesn't care AND he wanted to make Twitter into a free speech platform. I'm not buying the argument that he is both a visionary and a nihilist.
I'm not butthurt. I just think he sucks. And I feel bad for all the people who lost their jobs because a billionaire dipshit felt like destroying the company where they worked.
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Yeah. Saying he doesn't care about how terribly he's doing managing Twitter
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is not a defense of Musk being terrible at managing Twitter.
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butthurt..lulz
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Elon is like an animal in a zoo to me. It's fun to stare at him and see what he's up to occasionally, but it gets boring fast and I have other stuff to do. Neither one of us affect the others life in any shape whatsoever, so its kinda hard to be butthurt about what he does with his billions.
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I think he purchased it because he had to.
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He tried for months to back out of the deal and was finally forced to buy Twitter. He did get into it in the first place by acting like a rich jerkoff, so I agree with you there.
It's just so strange to think you could do just about anything with $44 billion and he did that. No part of this makes him look smart or cool. I had been totally indifferent to Elon Musk until he started embarrassing himself on a near daily basis. He'd do himself a huge favor if he just shut his mouth, but like many dorks with zero charisma he wants desperately to be adored and he thinks trolling makes him look cool. When you distill it down to its essence, the whole thing's just sad.
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Re: Elon Musk cementing his legacy as a business genius.
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Advertisers will stay away from 50 million daily users. Now that's funny.
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Re: Elon Musk cementing his legacy as a business genius.
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Sorry, wrong number 230 million daily users. He could tell them to suck his #### everyday of his life, and they would ultimately come back.
Now, I wouldn't recommend that, but it's probably true.
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Not if they have terrible ROI from the investment, which is some of the
Dec 1, 2023, 3:51 PM
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concern. This is outside of the brand image issue they're also concerned about.
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Re: Not if they have terrible ROI from the investment, which is some of the
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Of course, if he does destroy Twitter/X that might be his greatest accomplishment for mankind.
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He could actually brag about that and be both arrogant and correct.
Dec 1, 2023, 4:34 PM
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Maybe he is an evil genius.
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