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Things a little calmer now?
Jan 7, 2022, 11:41 AM
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First, let's just get it out of the way. The Biden administration is a disaster. Does anyone really disagree? I doubt it, but let's save that for another thread.
But that leads me to the ultimate point. I think most Americans can easily see that. Even if they don't, there doesn't appear to be any Biden fandom. I have yet to meet a person in my life who adores Joe Biden, thinks he's a good president, or flies any #### flags or wears T-shirts for him or whatever.
As a result, things feel calmer among people. Fewer arguments. Fewer stories of falling outs between friends and families. My Facebook feed is calmer, but that's also because I've avoided posting anything political for a year.
That may be the one good thing I can cite with this admin. He doesn't generate a cult following, thus, we all calm down some.
Trump was not just a bad president. He was one of our worst in history. Not going to debate it or answer any replies of "Duh herp what made him a bad president?!" I've stated it enough and it's been proven enough here. Predictably, some will say, "Well, people just didn't like him because of what he said/Tweeted/he acted like a jerk."
And that's part of the god #### point.
We were more divided due to that hostility, and he taught his rabid supporters that behaving in such fashion was acceptable. I cite the hostility and attacks on people's personal lives for speaking out against him and even the stupid talk of civil war. When a president sends a message to his cultists that this behavior is just fine, it hurts the whole nation.
Right now, we have a #### administration. I'll wholeheartedly agree with any Trumper who says that. But let's not pretend we left something good behind. It feels like, despite a lot of the problems we have in America right now, it feels less hostile, less confrontational, and less angry.
I hope that doesn't mean the behavior is only being tempered for now. That's why it's crucial we not have him run for office again.
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It took you all those words to say
Jan 7, 2022, 11:48 AM
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Trump horrible, Biden bad, but we ok? ??
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Re: Things a little calmer now?
Jan 7, 2022, 11:52 AM
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Most of the news media seems less angry.
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which is what drives the mania
Jan 7, 2022, 11:56 AM
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Just looked at how they got the public into a lunatic fringe over Russian Collusion for 3 yrs.
Chucktown would come in here frothing at the mouth at every Breaking News!!!
Oh ya, that stolen election mantra was ok tho.
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Re: Things a little calmer now?
Jan 7, 2022, 11:52 AM
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Agree, but....
...the problem is that anybody could see that Joe was basically half-embalmed and being walked around like the dead guy at Weekend At Bernie's. He was always kind of a dolt - I remember thinking he was a dolt as far back as '88, when I was about fourteen and barely aware of politics and when he first started running for president...and he kept losing because he was, well, kind of a foot-in-mouth dolt. Now he's a 79-year-old foot-in-mouth dolt, with a woman who's an epic sh!tshow disaster as VP, and that's all that's between us and rampant Trumpism and the fall of democracy.
This was the Champion of Democracy that we chose? We freakin' deserve whatever we get.
If Joe doesn't wake the $%#% up, start leading, and start fighting back and using whatever power he has to crush this Fascist revolution brewing right under his nose, America is going to fall.
I am not optimistic. My only hope is that Trump self-destructs before 2024 - which could well happen - at which point there's going to be a brutal succession fight and give the GOP a chance to course-correct. The party won't come back to sanity all at once, mind - it's too far gone for that - but I think it's likely, given Biden's weakness, that we're going to have a GOP president in 2024 and I just hope that prez is a non-Trumpy one who knows how to reach across the aisle, at least a little bit, and unite us for a change.
That's the hope America has.
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All respect, but again this baffles me.
Jan 7, 2022, 11:55 AM
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Everything we got going on....inflation, insane labor market, economy with the stilts about to be kicked out from under it, China and Russia in a boatrace to who can eff us the hardest first, stupid pandemic that won't go away, etc, etc, etc. And your biggest concern is some fascist right wing revolt?
That doesn't even make the top 50 on my list.
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Re: All respect, but again this baffles me.
Jan 7, 2022, 11:58 AM
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It seems like I would know some facists personally, but I don't. I'm friends with a couple of Commies, but I haven't met any facists.
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ya, i want to know where these mythical fascists are?
Jan 7, 2022, 11:59 AM
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I suspect I saw them in Portland, burning down the city daily, wearing black masks with bats and molatov cocktails
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Re: ya, i want to know where these mythical fascists are?
Jan 7, 2022, 12:30 PM
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They sound a lot more like anarchists than fascists.
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Ism’s , in my opinion, are not good.***
Jan 7, 2022, 1:51 PM
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Re: Ism’s , in my opinion, are not good.***
Jan 7, 2022, 2:01 PM
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Fascism definitely isn't. And I personally fear it. Sorry it isn't a bigger deal for you.
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Lot o points [155929]
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It is a big deal.
Jan 7, 2022, 2:03 PM
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I’ll let you know when I think there’s a snowball’s chance in hades of it becoming our reality from the suspects you’re worried about.
Also, -10 for whiffing on the clear-cut Ferris Bueller set-up.
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Re: It is a big deal.
Jan 7, 2022, 2:13 PM
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I think we came closer than we realize. I don't think there was a concentrated effort by Trump to turn us fascist. I don't think he really even gets that. He was just a man who didn't care about rules, the Constitution, checks and balances, etc.
He just wanted to be in charge and he didn't give a #### how. And THAT is a vessel for the people who actually understand it and want it. A group that knows they are a fading minority but saw an opportunity.
Mix that in with people who say fascism is bad and think it's evil but don't really understand what it is and actually would embrace it so long as they think it benefits them.
Hemingway famously had Robert Jordan say in For Whom the Bell Tolls--when asked by another character if there were many fascists in America--, "There are many who do not know they are fascists but will find it out when the times comes."
Hemingway saw it. I think it still holds true today. Too many people crave that authority and don't understand what it means. Those people wanted it with Trump without really grasping the danger.
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Let’s put away the F word for a sec.
Jan 7, 2022, 2:20 PM
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Here in 2022 AD, the acquisition and retention of power, and all the perks that come with it, is the sole motivator it seems for 95+% of public servants. In the pursuit of this goal, this end has been used to justify innumerable despicable means.
The only fix is to take the luster off public service by removing most of the perks that come with it, leaving us with people driven by purer motives—-term limits, stricter insider trading penalties, lobbying bans, etc. That can’t happen though, because the inmates are forevermore running the asylum. Short version, we’re screwed eventually.
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But of course
Jan 7, 2022, 2:31 PM
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That sure would be nice. But we ###### up by not setting enough rules on it, and then we let the people who want the perks alter the rules.
You know what we need? We actually need an outsider like Trump--but not a person like Trump. People turned to an outsider to fix the system, and they turned to a terrible person who actually wallowed in the problems himself.
We probably are screwed in the long run. I'm not sure what it will take to get a fresh slate of people who actually SHOULD be in there running the show. We made public political service a career, and you gotta play dirty to keep that job.
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It’s a catch 22.
Jan 7, 2022, 2:34 PM
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It took Trumps ginormous ego to even attempt to hold up against the assault that comes from the establishment.
Anyone who can ignore those attacks must be a) a sociopath or b) crazy high on the spectrum. It may take a President with extreme Asperger’s to save us.
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Cheese and rice, what is wrong with you guys????
Jan 7, 2022, 2:07 PM
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Yo, bruh, I got it...
Jan 7, 2022, 2:09 PM
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I just... I guess... kinda followed up with my own gif that wasn't quite as funny.
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Ok, no prob. I was just feeling like Ed McMahon on a night
Jan 7, 2022, 2:10 PM
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When Johnny was missing all the teed up one-liners.
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Say what you will about the tenets of national socialism,
Jan 7, 2022, 5:18 PM
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Dude. At least it's an ethos.
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HEY!
Jan 7, 2022, 5:48 PM
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You’re not allowed to rent here anymore!!!
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It was up there for me during the Trump years
Jan 7, 2022, 12:24 PM
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Especially when it became clear he would lose. But yeah, as you said, not now. But they're still lurking out there.
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We're imploding from several decades of destructive
Jan 7, 2022, 12:48 PM
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financial, military and social decisions, yet one side wants to talk about Trump. Okay. I would too, I guess.
Can anyone here outline one proposal to address:
- unsustainable debt
- unchecked money supply/inflation
- lack of coherent and consistently applied foreign policy
- growing divisiveness
- growing entitled underclass of net users of resources
One proposal by either party? No. We have (1) spending bills that are mostly ideological and (2) speeches about trump. dawghater23 has it right, I think: the goal is not progress or adherence to principles, but divisiveness.
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totally agree on all points***
Jan 7, 2022, 1:47 PM
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Re: Things a little calmer now?
Jan 7, 2022, 12:35 PM
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How many times has Biden reached across the aisle?
Let me guess, it's the Republicans fault he hasn't isn't it?
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things feel calmer, lol
Jan 7, 2022, 11:53 AM
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ya, because the right isnt a bunch of lunatics burning cities down and phycially and verbally attacking the other side. The left was so freaking toxic the last 4 yrs, it was sickening.
Yes, Trump was a freaking child, but what the left did during his 4 yrs was un freakin believable. You literally could not walk safely down a street with a maga hat. You would physcially and verbally be attacked. So you re-writting of history is total bs.
And this post has nothing to do with backing Trump at all. This is how the left and definitely the media acted those 4 yrs.
So yes, the reason its calmer now, is b/c the right, "in general", acts calmer.
When the next Pub President gets elected, it will, again, not be calmer.
Why, b/c the media will be 24/7 toxic again and drum up its lunatic base and the world will once again be coming to an end.
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Re: things feel calmer, lol
Jan 7, 2022, 12:44 PM
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He's right.
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Where do you live that its that bad?
Jan 7, 2022, 1:03 PM
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I could prob walk down the street with bright red died hair and a shirt that says "Putin for pres 2024" and its doubtful anyone would say a word to me. Nobody cares.
Maybe that's the benefit of being old and invisible.
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Re: things feel calmer, lol
Jan 7, 2022, 3:43 PM
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The Summer riots were political? LOL.
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So Dems are irrational ? Is that what you're saying ?***
Jan 7, 2022, 12:05 PM
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That's not what I'm saying...
Jan 7, 2022, 2:08 PM
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But if you want me to say that Dem leaders are irrational right now, I would say yes, in most cases, they are.
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Re: Things a little calmer now?
Jan 7, 2022, 12:27 PM
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"We were more divided due to that hostility, and he taught his rabid supporters that behaving in such fashion was acceptable."
"We are the ones we've been waiting for" - Barack Hussein Obama
Trump didn't start the division, he was a result of it.
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Re: Things a little calmer now?
Jan 7, 2022, 12:37 PM
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Agreed but I'd argue that President Obama also had a cult following although that is understandable being the first African American president.
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Agreed...
Jan 7, 2022, 2:05 PM
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But it wasn't as volatile, fervent, or dangerous as Trump's.
You could tell an Obama lover that he wasn't a good president without fear of something drastic.
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Re: Things a little calmer now?
Jan 7, 2022, 12:54 PM
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Things are more calm because the MSM and social media have what they want (for the time being) - a democrat in the white house and scandals covered up (for the time being). Everyone in both of these worlds (MSM and SM) hates Trump as much as Cat and they worked the systems under their control to maximize the chances of Trump losing the 2020 election. Come on man, you must know that any Russian influence of buying a few FB ads in 2016 was exceeded 100,000 times by the left in 2020.
The people in the MSM/Social Media are zealots, not to be trusted ever again.
Was there massive voter fraud in 2020 - no. Was there massive, one-sided voter influence by the MSM and social media giants? Yes. Did Candidate Biden lie about COVID and uniting the country - yes he did. Did he win the election because of his lies? Yes, at least partly. Has there been justice from the Russian hoax and going all the way back to HRC's email server? He|| no there has not been.
If the media were right-biased, it would be non-stop 24/7 coverage of these REAL issues that have done serious damage to our nation. And, alas things would not seem calm as they shouldn't.
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Re: Things a little calmer now?
Jan 7, 2022, 1:09 PM
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^^^Correct
The "chaos" of the Trump presidency was by design.
If you did not watch the news, and were not on any type of social media; all you know about the Trump presidency is lower energy costs, much lower inflation, lower taxes, and a bright future.
Glad to know that the "status quo" is what the Tigernet libs consider "calm". Your Rulers have you exactly where they want you. Now, go fight over scraps, while they binge and purge in D.C.
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yep, the media controls the outrage
Jan 7, 2022, 1:51 PM
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Come 2023, whoever is the Pub nominee, he once again will be Hitler and the devil, nonstop in the media.
It will drum up the minions and it will be 24/7 hatefest again.
Lord help us if said Pub wins.
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Re: yep, the media controls the outrage
Jan 7, 2022, 1:58 PM
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Not necessarily.
If Liz Cheney somehow wins the nomination - not likely now, but the world is weird - she'll stroll to a 60%+ popular-vote win, and put a bigger thumping on whatever Dem walks out than Reagan put on Carter.
Cheney has cross-aisle popularity the MSM cannot revoke, and she's been in their studios far too often getting glowing good pub from them. They may regret that.
Middle America does not fear Liz Cheney, and she'd kill it in the suburbs among weary middle-class Americans tired to the bone of the incessant polarization. If Rupert Murdoch decides to put News Corp - Fox News - behind her, he can absolutely put her on the throne. Again, see what he did with Margaret Thatcher back in the day.
They just have to put a stake through Trump first. I suspect it may happen.
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Calmer now? The only thing calm is Joe about 7:30 each night
Jan 7, 2022, 1:07 PM
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after his sippy cup...
Record inflation, millions of ILLEGAL border crossings (with a czar that hasn't even visited the border), the loss of energy independence, the throw the hands up view of how to deal with Covid, the Afgan debacle, people avoid work to get paid not to work, Xi and Pootie licking their chops, Hypersonic ballistic missiles from our enemies, cities burning down, men competing in women's sports and what do the dems do?
Go after an ex-President.
Wow. Just wow.
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Good thing we didn't have any of that during Trumps reign
Jan 7, 2022, 1:54 PM
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lol
I'm no Biden fan but c'mon man. You could probably hyperbolize the same chit we've had for 5 years (minus covid) a little more, but I doubt it.
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But i'm sure Trump would have fixed "men competing in
Jan 7, 2022, 1:55 PM
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women's sports" though..lol
Its one of the biggest crises of the day!
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Don't bother...
Jan 7, 2022, 2:06 PM
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He literally just spouted off hysterically (in typical Trump cultist fashion) about stuff that I acknowledge in my OP and that he and I actually agree with. He didn't even bother to read it. Or didn't understand it.
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Yep, pop-culture isn't fanning the flames of division nearly
Jan 7, 2022, 2:40 PM
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as much as before, only when treating unvaccinated people like the Nazis treated the Jews.
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Lemme make sure you wanna double down on this
Jan 7, 2022, 2:55 PM
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You think unvaccinated people in America are treated the same way Nazis treated Jewish people? Please elaborate.
I'll hang up and listen to your answer off the air.
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Read more about the 1930s. The Germans didn't just flip a
Jan 7, 2022, 3:07 PM
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switch and decide to send Jews off to the camps. It was a process. If I had to guess, we are in stage 4 of 10 I'd say.
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half-a$$ed, 2 second google search shows this for example
Jan 7, 2022, 3:14 PM
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https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/deceiving-the-public Deceiving the Public The Nazis frequently used propaganda to disguise their political aims and deceive the German and international public. Learn more.
A recurrent theme in Nazi antisemitic propaganda was that Jews spread diseases.
To prevent non-Jews from attempting to enter the ghettos and from seeing the condition of daily life there for themselves, German authorities posted quarantine signs at the entrances, warning of the danger of contagious disease. Since inadequate sanitation and water supplies coupled with starvation rations quickly undermined the health of the Jews in the ghettos, these warnings became a self-fulfilling prophecy, as typhus and other infectious diseases ravaged ghetto populations. Subsequent Nazi propaganda utilized these man-made epidemics to justify isolating the “filthy” Jews from the larger population.
The propaganda is more sophisticated now and takes advantage of 100 years of public education and people's inability to math, but the concept is the same.
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Re: Read more about the 1930s. The Germans didn't just flip a
Jan 7, 2022, 3:16 PM
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I wouldn't say that to anyone who has a basic education. That's dumber than when Kamala compared the Capitol riot to Pearl Harbor and 9/11. There is nothing similar to the vaccination issue and what happened with the Jewish people even in the 1930's.
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You posted this same thing about a year ago
Jan 7, 2022, 5:29 PM
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lol - were your nerves just shot to #### man??
My response is the same. I was way off on Covid...I figured they'd figure out a way to sweep it under the rug, but didn't take into consideration the earnings the vaccines would produce given your original question was asked in Q1 of last year. I stand by pretty much everything else I said though.
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/amazing-isnt-it-28603984
I'm not really looking for calm. Nor am I looking for chaos.
We got a rocky ### couple of years in front of us, man. Politician / puppet sitting in Washington be ######. We're in a mess. I'm more apprehensive of the next 3 - 4 years now than I have ever been, so no, I'm not too calm, per se, but I'm not too stressed out about it either. Just trying to prepare accordingly.
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