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The BoyScouts will be no more.
Feb 18, 2020, 5:10 PM
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Funny how things change when openly gay scoutmasters were allowed in.
One year ago
https://apnews.com/3de59dad2ba74b8f98bd3bc9b93c9bfc Boy Scouts faring well a year after easing ban on gay adults NEW YORK (AP) — There were dire warnings for the Boy Scouts of America a year ago when the group's leaders, under intense pressure, voted to end a long-standing blanket ban on participation by openly gay adults. Several of the biggest sponsors of Scout units, including the Roman Catholic, Mormon and Southern Baptist churches, were openly dismayed, raising the prospect of mass defections.
Remarkably, nearly 12 months after the BSA National Executive Board's decision, the...
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It has been a full force attack, from all sides.
Feb 18, 2020, 5:28 PM
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They caved, then caved, then crumbled. Very sad. Notice the local councils, and packs have not been sued. No money in that. Just the BSA. And just like all large businesses today, large companies, are splitting into many different entities to deflect lawsuit liabilities, so will the BSA.
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I heard the locals etc was where the money is, including
Feb 18, 2020, 5:53 PM
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camps, etc. They also said 8000 lawsuits, which are sexual abuse, not related to gay leaders. Are they in competition wit teh Catholics?
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Re: I heard the locals etc was where the money is, including
Feb 18, 2020, 6:21 PM
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camps, etc. They also said 8000 lawsuits, which are sexual abuse, not related to gay leaders. Are they in competition wit teh Catholics?
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Sexual predators are like any other kind of predator; they go where the prey is. Those who are interested in preying on young boys go where the young boys are, unfortunately. And the problem with these sickos is they're often really good at pretending they're normal...until the door closes.
As usual, Memphis completely manages to miss the point - the problem isn't the openly gay ones, who I would posit are likely responsible for exactly zero sexual assaults. The problem is the predators that by definition are not out in the open...and unfortunately, they've always been with us, whatever the BSA's official policy was.
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Thank you Liberals***
Feb 18, 2020, 6:02 PM
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Re: The BoyScouts will be no more.
Feb 18, 2020, 6:02 PM
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No way I would let my son be a part of the current BSA. No way.
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You realize, of course, that these cases go back to before
Feb 18, 2020, 6:33 PM
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you were in BSA, right? I think we're both somewhat lucky we didn't end up victims of predators.
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C'mon, man.
Feb 18, 2020, 7:12 PM
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Only the BSA of invented pedophilia and preying on young boys. It was a merit badge.
It was never around until then. Just ask the official record keeper for centuries, the Catholic Church.
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Re: You realize, of course, that these cases go back to before
Feb 18, 2020, 7:17 PM
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Look man, my grandfather was scout master of the year for NC, twice back in the mid-60’s. So I am speaking from long lineage of Scouts.
I always thought it, like Royal Ambassadors, Iwana, etc. it is all like a weird ### cult situation. I think the same of karate and such. Those people are just different and weird. And that is ok, but I don’t want my kids apart of any of that mess. And I don’t want to be associated with those people either.
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I went all the way through Cub Scouts/Webelos, and
Feb 18, 2020, 7:21 PM
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maybe 6 months of Boy Scouts when I got to Guam. It got increasingly weird (nothing predatory or sexual or anything) and uninteresting to me--11 year old me wasn't seeing the value, so I dropped it. Same reason I haven't pushed my son to do it. We're also a lot more conscious of certain organizations that lend themselves (unintentionally, presumably) to providing predators access to vulnerable youth, which was an unheard of concept 30-40 years ago.
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Re: I went all the way through Cub Scouts/Webelos, and
Feb 18, 2020, 7:24 PM
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Boom.
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I made it to Webelos
Feb 18, 2020, 7:28 PM
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I too found it weird and not really worth the time. I was also a little put off by the Pinewood Derby and the kids whose dads obviously made their cars for em.
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Re: I made it to Webelos
Feb 19, 2020, 8:21 AM
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that, and some of the requirements for the wolf badge were a little over the top.
Play catch with someone in your den or family who is standing 5 steps away from you.
Do at least two of the following: frog leap, inchworm walk, kangaroo hop, or crab walk.
Demonstrate what it means to eat a balanced diet by helping to plan a healthy menu for a meal for your den or family. Make a shopping list of the food used to prepare the meal.
I mean that last one is obvious liberal crap that was thrown in there to make the Cub scouts more PC.
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You're pitiful. If you can't distinguish between
Feb 18, 2020, 6:22 PM
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homosexuals and pedophiles, then you should probably just shut your trap. Also, you're even dumber if you think this started a year ago. There are over 8,000 reports of abuse that go back for decades. It has literally zero to do with allowing openly gay scoutmasters and volunteers.
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Re: You're pitiful. If you can't distinguish between
Feb 18, 2020, 7:09 PM
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Don’t put your kids in situations you may both have control of.putting them in the arms of men whom like other men unknowingly is one of them
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I don't understand your typing, but it sounds like you're
Feb 18, 2020, 7:11 PM
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saying that gay males are pedophiles and predators. Is that what you're saying? Because you're a certified dummy if that's what you're saying.
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Re: I don't understand your typing, but it sounds like you're
Feb 18, 2020, 8:35 PM
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No, I’m saying parents have control of the situations they put their children in. I choose not to put my son in the care of someone in which their practices I don’t agree with. Try to keep up!
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Re: I don't understand your typing, but it sounds like you're
Feb 18, 2020, 8:38 PM
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saying that gay males are pedophiles and predators. Is that what you're saying? Because you're a certified dummy if that's what you're saying.
And no, not all males are pedophiles. It is all genders and races that are predators. I’m saying 99% of males are “scout leaders”. If there is a known homosexual male, most parents would be less likely to let said child join. Prove me wrong.
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It’s not possible to prove right or wrong without polling
Feb 18, 2020, 10:01 PM
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every parent in the country, but you’re actually correct. Ignorant parents who don’t know the difference between being gay and being a pedophile will be reluctant to allow their sons to be under the supervision of a gay man.
I’m assuming you don’t apply the same standards to any male authority figures supervising your daughter(s), because the chances of them being “straight” pedophiles is obviously way, way lower than those heathen, aberrant homosexuals.
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Re: It’s not possible to prove right or wrong without polling
Feb 18, 2020, 10:17 PM
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Everyone should know the difference. All I said is that I would choose not to put my child in that situation where their is a possibility. Sure there is a possibility anywhere by anybody. Why not just be a good parent and monitor who your child is with to remove all doubrs
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Re: It’s not possible to prove right or wrong without polling
Feb 18, 2020, 10:33 PM
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Everyone should know the difference. All I said is that I would choose not to put my child in that situation where their is a possibility. Sure there is a possibility anywhere by anybody. Why not just be a good parent and monitor who your child is with to remove all doubrs
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Re: It’s not possible to prove right or wrong without polling
Feb 18, 2020, 11:09 PM
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Is it ignorant to shield them from both? How about shield them from any contact with any other person? Predators come in all forms. I’d shield them from you just for the simple fact I don’t know you. Does it mean I’m ignorant or just proactive in being protective? Would I be more inclined to shield my son from a homosexual male? Probably. Just like I would likely not let my daughter join if there was a straight male or a homosexual female.
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And what about closeted gay people?
Feb 18, 2020, 11:52 PM
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I think where you’ve landed, is that none of your sons or daughters should hang out with any male or female adults, because they might be gay or straight pedophiles. Yes? I think we’re in agreement. That wasn’t so hard.
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Re: And what about closeted gay people?
Feb 19, 2020, 6:21 AM
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I think where you’ve landed, is that none of your sons or daughters should hang out with any male or female adults, because they might be gay or straight pedophiles. Yes? I think we’re in agreement. That wasn’t so hard.
so you are in agreement that in order to access or monitor whom you put children’s care in under, some stereotyping is necessary in order to characterize an individual?
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Absolutely.
Feb 19, 2020, 7:01 AM
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A known pedophile will never have access to my children, as they are far more likely to attempt to abuse them. What you’re incorrectly attempting to do is conflate homosexuality with pedophilia. It’s ignorant and aggravating that you have apparently never known a gay person and are incapable of processing the statistics and data that show you’re 100% incorrect in the correlation you’re attempting to ascribe.
Tell me if I’ve boiled this down too far: Jesus told you that homosexuality is a perversion, therefore, those perverts are far more likely to be perverse in other unrelated areas.
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Please pardon the interruption.
Feb 19, 2020, 7:16 AM
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I believe everyone draws line on what we will do and what we won't do in order to justify that which we allow. If that doesn't read as clearly on your screen as it sounds in my head please request a further explanation.
Some will sleep around while they draw the line at murder. Some will sleep around but draw the line at same sex relationship. Christians should recognize only one line. The line drawn at the foot of the cross. Christ in on one side and the rest of us on the other.
While I believe that sin is multiplied if it brings harm to more victims all sin originates in the black hearts of men. There are no shades of black. Folks may say there are but they only want to claim their black heart is not as black as another's black heart. Thereby, we justify that which we allow.
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As a general rule of thumb, you're correct.
Feb 18, 2020, 7:49 PM
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For this particular subject and this particular poster, there's no excuse for that level of ignorance at this juncture. I'ma let the hate flow.
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Re: As a general rule of thumb, you're correct.
Feb 18, 2020, 9:11 PM
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So everyone who don’t have the same belief as you is a dummy and wrong? I didn’t insult you as you do others. Sounds like the pot is calling the kettle black again. News flash, not everyone shares your ideas.
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Don't worry...
Feb 18, 2020, 7:08 PM
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I'm sure Trump can come up with a new national Youth organization. One that's operated by the federal government. 
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Needs a catchy name. How about Trumpler Youth?***
Feb 18, 2020, 7:12 PM
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Now that's the reich stuff there.***
Feb 18, 2020, 7:17 PM
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Re: Don't worry...
Feb 18, 2020, 7:19 PM
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The Libs and Dumbs already have their youth followers. It’s called Antifa. Trump might as well, he can’t do any worse than what you guys put together.
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See, I knew it could get good Trumpie support.
Feb 18, 2020, 7:27 PM
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They could start a federally-funded and operated boys-only organization (let's say ages 14 to 18) with ranks. The youth could receive directives straight from the White House with strict guidelines of patriotism. All American boys should join, and if their parents have a problem with it, the government could look into why they're opposing such a great American and Trump-led initiative!
What do you think?
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Sounds patriotic af.
Feb 18, 2020, 7:57 PM
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Would go a long ways toward making America great again. Or keeping it great. Whichever one we're doing.
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Re: Don't worry...
Feb 18, 2020, 10:53 PM
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I'm sure Trump can come up with a new national Youth organization. One that's operated by the federal government. ">
I’m also sure that If it were a Trump supporter or a Trump based “scout organization, you’d be less inclined to let your child join. No?
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Re: Don't worry...
Feb 19, 2020, 8:39 AM
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What would a Trump scout organization teach? Advanced lying, cheating at golf, sexually assaulting women, and failing at business?
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Ooooooh! The MAGA Youth. I LOVE it!!!***
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They've already started it...
Feb 19, 2020, 12:07 PM
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Being gay is not equal to being a pedofile.
Feb 18, 2020, 7:35 PM
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I'm not saying there is no relationship between relaxing their stand on gays and the scouts' demise but I'm doubting gays are directly responsible for those kids being abused.
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Re: Being gay is not equal to being a pedofile.
Feb 18, 2020, 8:00 PM
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There’s no way I’m going to believe it was heterosexual men doing it.
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You like women, right?
Feb 18, 2020, 8:29 PM
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Do you want to molest little girls? No?
There. I just showed why your assertion is stupid.
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Apples don't taste like bananas but
Feb 19, 2020, 5:17 AM
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that doesn't mean they taste like oranges. Hetro, #### and peto are three different fruits. That's all I'm saying. Some hetros like fat girls, some like girls skinny but both like girls. Some homos like rugged men, some like their guys wearing lipstick and panties but both like men.
Petos don't like either, they like children, some female children some male but they both like children.
Imo, many parents took their children out of scouts and some just plain gave up on scouts because they allow homosexuals to become scoutmasters. That's fair as rain, imo. Parents are solely responsible for their children. I'd defend those parents and submit that their protest toward the scouts isn't confusion over petos and homos but morality.
We have a right to our morality. I'd be happy to explore that subject at your convenience.
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Petofiles.
Feb 19, 2020, 6:59 AM
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By definition anyone who wants sex with a child is just that. I suppose there is a subcategory of petofiles for adults who rape children of the opposite gender and those who rape children of the same gender but both are by definition child rapist.
Don't get me wrong here. I'm not defending homosexuality or homosexuals by any means. Imo, homosexuality is another subject entirely. In this case, when you accuse someone of being a petofile with such a broad brush which paints homosexuals the same color you've made a mistake.
I am much more tolerant of homosexuals than petofiles. If two men want to nasty that's their business as long as they aren't trying to involve me. Do I believe it will send them to helll? Not anymore than a man and woman who sex outside marriage.
If we lump everyone who sins in the boat bound for helll we much jump on board with them according to what our Bible says.
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Re: The BoyScouts will be no more.
Feb 18, 2020, 7:52 PM
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Regardless, pedos get the rope.
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Kids today are such #######
Feb 18, 2020, 8:59 PM
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Back when the leaders were straight or at least had the common courtesy to stay in the closet, kids knew to #### and keep that to themselves. Now they're such Sally share my feelings they don't even mind suing?
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I haven’t really researched this but If the Boy Scouts really did fold
Feb 18, 2020, 10:09 PM
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As a result of these lawsuits (and I don’t believe it will), I wonder if those who sued would be happy. Surely they could have sued to ensure that the Boy Scouts put in more robust controls and background checks, and not just to bankrupt the organization.
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lil'APM is an Eagle Scout. His troop is explicitly Christian
Feb 19, 2020, 8:29 AM
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and this whole fiasco has been a hailuva thing to watch. Back in the fall, our troop narrowly voted to remain in BSA for the time being. A few points:
Firstly, yes, there was sex abuse for years. Boys away at camp with grown men? What could go wrong? No excuse for it and it has to be addressed.
Secondly, most people are probably not aware of how influential the Mormons have been in BSA.
Thirdly, while APM will never be overly sympathetic to sexual abusers, the way the BSA caved to the LGBT agenda first by admitting gays, then by admitting girls, was their ultimate downfall. Now the Mormons have pulled out and many local troops are as well and Evangelical Christian have tried their own response called Trail Life, but it has not taken off really.
https://www.outsideonline.com/2306206/breakup-boy-scouts-its-mormons-who-lose
https://www.npr.org/2013/09/09/220499562/trail-life-usa-the-other-boy-scouts-of-america
My Dad was a Life Scout and didn't make Eagle only because of being a disadvantaged hillbilly in rural Tennessee. lil'APM is a better person for having been a Scout. The men in his troop raised him as much as I did. And they are all solid Christian men. I hate to see BSA end, but sadly, it looks like it will. Just a symptom of a greater disease running throughout our culture.
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Truth is, APM slipped in that last paragraph, but APM
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usually speaks in 3rd person on tnet. Part of APM's tnet schtick.
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