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TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
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Jan 11, 2023, 2:49 PM
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Can’t really argue with this other than I’m not sure where they expect us to put transfer portal players. Cut current players?
Bottom line - The only way to get away from this talk is to start winning the games we used to and shut people up. We all clearly remember the agenda on Clemson before we started winning. Well it’s back again.
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The argument would be that you could have
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Jan 11, 2023, 3:01 PM
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Nabbed a portal guy instead of offering a high schooler. For instance we handed out 2 RB offers. One of those could have gone to a portal guy to replace Kobe Pace's experience versus a high schooler w/ no experience.
There really is no argument to be made that the portal being a one way door is affecting the experience of our 2 deep. I guess it still remains to be seen long term if Dabos method will win out by creating loyalty and the ability to retain players.
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Re: The argument would be that you could have
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Jan 11, 2023, 3:35 PM
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So which portal guy is going to come here and play 3rd string behind Shipley and Mafah. Or which one is going to beat them out?
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I didn't say there was one. Maybe our coaches
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Jan 11, 2023, 4:09 PM
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vetted all 3000 guys and there wasn't one who could help in any way. Heck maybe we offered a handful and they turned us down.
I do know other program's are finding guys from non power 5 schools that are willing to compete for playing time at p5 program's. A guy like a juice wells at south carolina.
Again the only claim I made was that the portal was hurting experience on the 2 deep. I don't think that can be argued. Maybe there is nothing we can do about it but sign more kids out of high school.
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Re: I didn't say there was one. Maybe our coaches
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Jan 11, 2023, 4:24 PM
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Then you should've use WR as an example. No RB is going to portal into Clemson as a 3rd stringer, so bringing in 2 from high school was the right call at this position.
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I was just trying to make the point that current
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Jan 11, 2023, 5:56 PM
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Scholarship numbers include incoming freshman. You wouldn't have to kick someone off the team as the original poster suggested. Just offer one less recruit. Not saying we've made the right or wrong decision. Time will tell.
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You seem to keep missing the point.
Jan 13, 2023, 10:57 AM
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Portal players don't change schools to be depth anywhere else.
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Re: I didn't say there was one. Maybe our coaches
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Jan 12, 2023, 7:38 AM
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Then you should've use WR as an example. No RB is going to portal into Clemson as a 3rd stringer, so bringing in 2 from high school was the right call at this position.
This supports the writers point. Three years ago we signed Shipley and Mafah who had 9 stars between them. This year we signed two guys who had no other P5 offers between them. Maybe they both become star players but more likely like Mikey Dukes who was a three star player with lots of high school stats. The issue is not the portal, the issue is we hired a bunch of inexperienced coaches who are not big time recruiters. That and NIL is kicking our butts
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Re: I didn't say there was one. Maybe our coaches
Jan 12, 2023, 8:42 AM
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I swear your responses seems as if you don't read at all. How did I support his point? No one is hitting the portal to be a 3rd string RB at Clemson. He should've used a different position as an example.
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Re: I didn't say there was one. Maybe our coaches
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Jan 11, 2023, 7:14 PM
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There are not many guys in the portal who could make the 2 deep for Clemson at any position and that means wide Receivers as well!
And even if there is one that has the physical ability do they have the right attitude? Then on top of that would they even want to come to Clemson.
My personal opinion is the transfer portal and the current way NIL is handled will ruin College Football!
I say if we never ever take a portal guy it’s ok with me. Btw Clemson has had two down years in a row and in those years Clemson won 10 and 11 games and a conference championship! I can’t say this loudly enough no matter what some reporter I have never heard of says…… IT Ain’t Broke!!!
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Re: I didn't say there was one. Maybe our coaches
Jan 12, 2023, 1:30 PM
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It depends on what your perception and desires are. We're not recruiting like Bama, uga, osu and it's showing. Dabo's way is recruit less and hopefully develop. In so doing, you have to be superior in your evaluation and your development. Jeff developed WR. Grisham has either missed on eval or hasn't developed. Same with Austin. Although his recruiting has upgraded. Time will tell if they develop. When does Tristan develop? He was tagged as first year contribution and now we're on year 3. Why? Legit question.
Can Wes grow, can street grow? Possibly. How long does it take and will recruiting suffer? Or be satisfied with 10 and 11 win season but no national championship... otherwords, be a meechigan or tcu... occasionally get there but that's the ceiling. Some are. But after eating the steak, I want more steak not burgers. And I love burgers.
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Re: The argument would be that you could have
Jan 12, 2023, 7:20 AM
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Nabbed a portal guy instead of offering a high schooler. For instance we handed out 2 RB offers. One of those could have gone to a portal guy to replace Kobe Pace's experience versus a high schooler w/ no experience.
There really is no argument to be made that the portal being a one way door is affecting the experience of our 2 deep. I guess it still remains to be seen long term if Dabos method will win out by creating loyalty and the ability to retain players.
Pace was not in the 2 deep nor was most of the others
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Actually, winning the ACC is not a big deal right now...
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Jan 11, 2023, 6:09 PM
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The conference has needed better performance from more schools in order to gain the benefit of the doubt from analysts and the playoff committee. There is no denying that the strength of the conference as a narrative is that the ACC is weak and pretty much in the same discussion as the Big 12 and Pac 12; there is only one contender and the rest of the conference is full of fluff and fodder.
That will only change when other programs make significant noise against other contenders or the sec at large...
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Re: Actually, winning the ACC is not a big deal right now...
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Jan 11, 2023, 9:56 PM
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That’s bs
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It’s not with the TN game result
Jan 12, 2023, 7:35 AM
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If you Win the ACC and beat TN, even w/o their best players - whole different narrative. As it is, we lost.
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Re: It’s not with the TN game result
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Jan 13, 2023, 10:55 AM
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Our three losses were all to teams not in the ACC that hurts a lot. The ND game was an embarrassment and so was Tennessee and even though the score wasn’t lopsided like the first two I mentioned the South Carolina game was a disgrace. There were so many opportunities to blow that game wide open and Clemson couldn’t do it. All season they weren’t the Clemson of old. They didn’t blow teams out. Wake Forest, Nc State, FSU, Boston College, Syracuse (we should’ve lost if not for the officials deciding to bail us out) all those games you weren’t watching as a fan and enjoying them? You were watching and saying ### are we doing here? Two blocked punts against Georgia tech, if not for them that game was a one score game? C’mon people were all fans. Fan is short for fanatical, right. But let’s use our heads and our eyes aren’t lying. How many times a game, not the season, a game, did we watch our defense seem to just allow players yo roam around wide open for simple pitch and catches? Wake forest looked like the 2019 lsu tiger offense against us? It was embarrassing. Watching the CFP did you really think Clemson could’ve beat michigan? UGA? Osu? Even tcu? I was so grateful alabama ended the season as the highest ranked sec team after Georgia, earning themselves the right to play in the sugar bowl. Alabama would’ve embarrassed this Clemson team. Tennessee, which I never felt was that good did a good job of that with their back up qB and without their top two receivers? Imagine what that team would’ve done to Clemson with all those guys?? Considering what wake forest or Syracuse or fsu or South Carolina did to this defense?? Clemson has taken a huge step back as far as coaching is concerned. That’s on Dabo and hopefully the hiring of Riley is a step in the right direction. The reality is he should’ve replaced the defensive coordinator as well. When Venables announced he was leaving I think we lost five recruits? When streeter was fired there hasn’t been one kid that has decided I’m leaving? We’re not developing players like we did before. Breese, Murphy, weren’t any better in their final year here than they were when they first set foot on campus? DJ? Another example of a guy not making any strides. There’s big issues in the upstate and to say because we won a conference title in a crap conference is a sign things are well is just ignorant. Stating the obvious doesn’t make me less of a fan, settling for mediocre though makes you an enabler.
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Re: It’s not with the TN game result
Jan 13, 2023, 10:55 AM
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Our three losses were all to teams not in the ACC that hurts a lot. The ND game was an embarrassment and so was Tennessee and even though the score wasn’t lopsided like the first two I mentioned the South Carolina game was a disgrace. There were so many opportunities to blow that game wide open and Clemson couldn’t do it. All season they weren’t the Clemson of old. They didn’t blow teams out. Wake Forest, Nc State, FSU, Boston College, Syracuse (we should’ve lost if not for the officials deciding to bail us out) all those games you weren’t watching as a fan and enjoying them? You were watching and saying ### are we doing here? Two blocked punts against Georgia tech, if not for them that game was a one score game? C’mon people were all fans. Fan is short for fanatical, right. But let’s use our heads and our eyes aren’t lying. How many times a game, not the season, a game, did we watch our defense seem to just allow players yo roam around wide open for simple pitch and catches? Wake forest looked like the 2019 lsu tiger offense against us? It was embarrassing. Watching the CFP did you really think Clemson could’ve beat michigan? UGA? Osu? Even tcu? I was so grateful alabama ended the season as the highest ranked sec team after Georgia, earning themselves the right to play in the sugar bowl. Alabama would’ve embarrassed this Clemson team. Tennessee, which I never felt was that good did a good job of that with their back up qB and without their top two receivers? Imagine what that team would’ve done to Clemson with all those guys?? Considering what wake forest or Syracuse or fsu or South Carolina did to this defense?? Clemson has taken a huge step back as far as coaching is concerned. That’s on Dabo and hopefully the hiring of Riley is a step in the right direction. The reality is he should’ve replaced the defensive coordinator as well. When Venables announced he was leaving I think we lost five recruits? When streeter was fired there hasn’t been one kid that has decided I’m leaving? We’re not developing players like we did before. Breese, Murphy, weren’t any better in their final year here than they were when they first set foot on campus? DJ? Another example of a guy not making any strides. There’s big issues in the upstate and to say because we won a conference title in a crap conference is a sign things are well is just ignorant. Stating the obvious doesn’t make me less of a fan, settling for mediocre though makes you an enabler.
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Do you feel like Tennessee dominated us because of the score??
Jan 13, 2023, 11:13 AM
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They had ONE good drive all night, combined with three long passes resulting in touchdowns. We moved the ball all night, and played good defense except fornthe ONE drive and 3 long passes. We dominated every single statistic in the game, except for the score, based on ONE good drive and 3 long passes. We played a good game and in reality dominated except one their one drive and 3 long passes. UT gets to say they're better by virtue of the score, but the score doesn't remotely reflect the way the game actually played out.
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So being in the playoffs in 2020
Jan 13, 2023, 11:06 AM
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and getting beat by a good team who played 6 games with us circled all year was a downward trajectory? Finishing 4th?
2021 was a jump down, but was it a program issue or (mostly) a singular position issue?
In 2022, our offense improved significantly and we finished with more wins and a higher ranking than 2021, in spite of that same singular position issue.
4th, 14th, 13th.. sorry bud, the most simplistic math skills prove that's not "going downhill for 3 years".
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
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Jan 11, 2023, 2:49 PM
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No lies detected here. He’s just stating the obvious. Meanwhile 90 miles in both directions, teams are taking advantage of portholes and bringing in new blood on the coaching staffs. Adapt or die would be my advice.
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Negative Bill here but don't see a Natty in next 5 years..
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Jan 11, 2023, 2:55 PM
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and maybe1 CFP invite.
Wait, I change that glum guess since forgot 12 team format which could favor us.
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It won't favor us given the performances on the field...
Jan 11, 2023, 6:10 PM
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We will probably get in with 10 or 11 wins and not winning the conference, but we better be ready to play and beat the other invitees...
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
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Jan 11, 2023, 3:01 PM
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If us Clemson fans are honest, he's right
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
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Jan 11, 2023, 3:03 PM
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I hope all this trash talking against Clemson will motivate Dabo going into next season.
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It may motivate him, but
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Jan 11, 2023, 3:06 PM
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that's not going to change the deficiencies that this roster has or the coaching issues that are prevalent with this team right now! Until those change, the results will be the same!
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
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Only thing it’s going to motivate is recruits staying far away, then “fans” are going to wonder why recruits don’t wanna come here. Between the press, opposing fan bases, and our own fan base there’s a negative Clemson narrative 247 365
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
Jan 11, 2023, 6:16 PM
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Yes, this is the only negative fan base. You seen Bama message boards recently? Doesn’t stop them from getting 5*
17 year olds are on TikTok, not some message board that uses code from 1997
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
Jan 11, 2023, 8:10 PM
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Then please take your young self and go join them!
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
Jan 11, 2023, 4:37 PM
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If TCU can go from 5-7 (or whatever) to the Natty, then we can go from 11-3 to the Natty. Depends upon coaching and team chemistry next season more so than "talent", as TCU proved (I'm talking about getting to the Natty, not winning it).
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
Jan 11, 2023, 8:38 PM
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Based of the performance TCU didn't belong Natty. They raped on national tv!!!!!
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
Jan 12, 2023, 7:42 AM
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After beating the champion of the mighty Big 10. If they didn't belong then neither did anyone but Georgia.
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It's sadly true
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Jan 11, 2023, 3:07 PM
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I just hope Dabo can see it now....
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Marcello is 100% right.
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I’m sure his opinion won’t be popular here though.
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
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Jan 11, 2023, 3:08 PM
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Clearly, this Marcello guy is either a coot or a loser outsider to say these negative Nancy things about Clemson. What a maroon!
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Anybody know what Marcello's Tnet scok is?***
Jan 11, 2023, 3:19 PM
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Re: Anybody know what Marcello's Tnet scok is?***
Jan 11, 2023, 3:27 PM
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Judge Keller....
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
Jan 11, 2023, 3:19 PM
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If that is the take then LSU< Notre Dame and Alabama (2 years) are in the same boat. Not even the old Packers, Chiefs or Raiders stayed on top forever but we are still on the top step.
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
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Jan 11, 2023, 5:08 PM
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I'm quite sure they are saying the same things about at least 2 of those teams. We only hear the Clemson negative stories... there are bunches of negative stories about other schools as well.
Every school takes it personally when it's about their school.
Go Tigers!!!
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
Jan 11, 2023, 3:21 PM
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I don’t think he remembers that it’s a 12 team playoff now.
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Not until 2024 season, right?***
Jan 11, 2023, 3:32 PM
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
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Jan 11, 2023, 3:26 PM
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I guess he's a "coot"right? .........Bc when I said that abt the program that's what I was called..
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
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Jan 11, 2023, 3:29 PM
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He spoke the truth. That sometimes hurts.
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
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Jan 11, 2023, 6:03 PM
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It isnt like many of us havent been ringing the alarm! We have been making the same points and also pointing out the coaching fall off for at least 2 years now. Some of us for 3 years!
But the sunshine pumpers keep drinking the "Dabo walks on water" kool-aid and telling us everything is just fine.
Well newsflash, the results say otherwise!
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Here's the problem ...
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Jan 11, 2023, 3:37 PM
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Yes, we have most definitely slipped from the elite status we held for a long time, as one of the 5 best programs in the country. We can no longer seriously compete with those teams. To claim otherwise or rationalize it away is dshonest and insulting. However ...
1. It is, as a matter of fact, extremely difficult to get to that level, much less maintain it. That is not just double talk, it's 100% truth.
2. We are still pretty dang good - a top 15ish team that wins 10-11 games and wins our conference.
Here's the problem: Dabo uses the above truths to deflect from and defend the fact that we have clearly slipped, all without admitting we have slipped and addressing possible causes and solutions.
Why have we slipped? Well that's complicated, and it's a matter of opinion, so here's mine:
1. We are missing a handful of key differnce makers that made us elite to start with, particularly on offense ... no Deshaun Watson, no Trevor Lawrence, no Travis Etienne, no Tee Higgins, No Mike Williams, No Justyn Ross, No Amari Rodgers, etc.. We have some guys who are close, but not quite on that level.
2. We lost some great coordinators over the last few years, and replacements have not worked out, at least they haven't worked out YET; that remains to be seen. I'm neither defending or criticizing those hires here, I'm just pointing out the obvious; at the very least, there has been an adjustment, and so far the results are not impressive, and this has been a major factor.
3. There are other things that may or may not be factors; there are a lot of strong opinions here, and I'm not sure if they are facftors at all, or how much of a factor they really are, but failure to utilize the portal and too much favoritism toward family and friends by keeping players on the team that will never play, vs. making room for more players that can help right away through the portal, and hiring coaches that are friends instead of going out and looking for the best available.
Just my thoughts.
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Re: Here's the problem ...
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#3 is a correctable self inflicted handicap that has become more evident & more of a detriment with the advent of TP & NIL-
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All valid points ST
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Add two year chronic DJ underperformance, a bad OL, an average receiving corps, dancing after La Tech & Furman wins, and bad DB/S play.
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Here’s the problem…our fan base likes to talk in blanket statements without backing anything with facts. If you anyone cares to do any research almost all of our offensive stats have significantly improved from the 2021 season (when we had a different coordinator). In fact our offensive stats are on par or better the Chad Morris’s last year and Tony Elliott’s last year. But hey, why take time to actually look at the facts when you can get on here and say whatever you want and pretend it’s true!
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Jan 12, 2023, 6:49 AM
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Speaking of Tony Elliott, he took his take on Clemson offense to UVA and tried to apply it to a fairly potent offense and QB that was having a career 2021 UVA year, see what happened in one year!! Brennen Armstrong looked like he had never thrown a football in his life, he said as he was departing "the Elliott philosophy didn't quite match his style of play", hit the Transfer Portal and landed at NCS. He'll fit in down there I guarantee it!! DABO and Company needs to start viewing game film from Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan. ect!! and maybe he'll start to get the picture of what Clemson football used to look a lot alike.
Until we can go out and compete with these teams again, he'll never see another CFP Championship or even get the chance to play for one!! Just being realistic and looking back at the last 3 years.
I'm still in shock at DABO's failed DJU experiment!! I'm always hopeful things will change, but I'm not seeing it for next 2023 year. It will be a struggle to compete for the ACC Championship, I saw a 100% improvement in Travis Jordan and the entire FSU Team, Unless FSU totally blows a circuit breaker, DABO better start looking in his rear view.
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Agreed - and you are correct about the improvement on
Jan 12, 2023, 12:25 PM
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offense this year, and the comparison to 2014 (Chad Morris's last year), which was the year Cole Stoudt and DW split time at QB. That's why I say the jury is still out on coordinators.
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The man did his homework. I don't think anything he said was
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inaccurate. However, and improved offense could possibly get us to the playoff. Prior to this season, the main reason was the QB miss with DJ. Had he been what all expected, the 2021 team would have made it to the final for a rematch with Georgia. The 2022 defense wasn't nearly as good as 2021 so I doubt we make it even with an imporved DJ. But just an average offense could have made the final with that 2021 defense.
People think well its been four years since a natty, but hey we finished #2 in 2019 and #3 in 2020. Missing on DJ really set the program these last two years, but now the defense and wide receivers are an issue.
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Re: The man did his homework. I don't think anything he said was
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Yes and it definitely set the tone on a downward spiral for the entire moral of the Team !! DJU was a bad experiment gone wrong, DABO should have pulled him early in 2021 and moved on!! Just proves his stubbornness to do what's best for the Team.
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
Jan 11, 2023, 3:47 PM
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Sad but true.
The worm will turn back to greatness.
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zero lies detected***
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Standout [328]
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Jan 11, 2023, 4:25 PM
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Portal,portal,portal. Clemson has won THREE national titles without one portal player. RECRUTE WINNERs
, Everything will take care of itself. Coach should play those he recruits not pull someone out of the portal to replace him. Go Tigers! Just my thoughts.
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CU Medallion [18158]
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spin how ever you wont
Jan 11, 2023, 7:50 PM
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it will not change the fact that we have been on a steady decline since 18
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Oculus Spirit [41148]
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Is that the year we won it all at 15-0
Jan 11, 2023, 8:10 PM
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Where exactly can you rise from that?
There’s only one direction from the top.
Now, taking out that logic, yeah we have a lot of work to do and don’t compare that teams in the not distant past.
Hopefully we can pull it back together in the not so distant future
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Jan 12, 2023, 7:03 AM
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That was before the portal Knucklehead!! Everyone was on the same level playing field!! recruiting then!! SMH
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
Jan 11, 2023, 4:33 PM
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They have been going downhill. Nothing inaccurate there. But I agree with Dabo regarding not using the transfer portal to bring in players! If you don't want to be a Clemson man from the beginning... you can't be a Clemson man. We should not be open to being someone's second choice.
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Going downhill is a bit of a strong way to put it. But no,
Jan 11, 2023, 4:35 PM
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we are not one of the elite teams anymore. Good, yes. Great, no. And it will be very difficult to get back to that level if I'm to be honest about it.
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Re: Going downhill is a bit of a strong way to put it. But no,
Jan 11, 2023, 7:54 PM
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Isn't that true of every team except UGA this year? Was Bama, OSU, Mich, LSU, Clemson, or any other team elite this year? There was 1 elite team and about 10 good teams this year. Since the Bama-Clemson glory years of 2015-2018, there really haven't been many elite teams. LSU for one year, and UGA this year. Last year UGA won the Natty, but they weren't elite. Only beat us by a pick six and lost to Bama. The difference between good and elite is not very big, and a lot has to come together for that one elite year. We're not that far away and all the hand wringing that we are now a dismal failure is ridiculous.
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Standout [226]
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Re: Going downhill is a bit of a strong way to put it. But no,
Jan 12, 2023, 7:15 AM
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COME ON MAN' The Teams you have mentioned have been more elite than we have been!! All of those Teams would have made hamburger out of Clemson the last 2 years!!
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lol . just wait***
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Never heard of the Brandon chick
Jan 11, 2023, 5:00 PM
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But she makes a few valid points.
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Clemson Icon [27824]
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I want to see this Marcello guy ski uphill... Kinda hard to
Jan 11, 2023, 5:13 PM
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not go downhill when you're on the top of the mountain.
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its not that we have fallen off
Jan 11, 2023, 7:51 PM
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few teams will ever be as good as that 18 team..but its the speed in which we have fallen off and how far we have fallen that is the problem
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
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Jan 11, 2023, 5:19 PM
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There will be as many opinions as there are people making them concerning what lies ahead for Clemson. I tend to be closer to the pessimistic than to the optimistic view, while recognizing no one really knows how things will go months from now. I think we would be butchered in the SEC, and the weakness of the ACC provides a huge advantage regarding post season play. However, everyone knows the ACC conference schedule is weak relative to some other programs. How many conferences have only one likely obstacle in conference play? The better test will be Notre Dame and South Carolina, both losses in 2022.
The key is always recruitments, and for those thinking we are en route in seeking to return to elite status, please note that Georgia has 85 players, and 66 of them are 4 or 5 star. I have no idea what our numbers are, but I am guessing they are a good deal lower than that. TCU, incidentally, had seventeen 4 and 5 stars. For 2023, Georgia had one of the strongest recruiting classes, and we should be happy we were not in the BCS this year. How could anyone have reasonably expected anything but carnage. Tennessee, with key starters not playing, did just fine, and Notre Dame destroyed us in South Bend.
The notion of decline is increasingly out among the pundits. The question is how long will top recruits be attracted to Clemson if they think our boat is listing badly? It would be nice to hear Coach Swinney speak in terms of urgency instead of trying to fight modernization by talking about microwaves and crockpots.
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Jan 11, 2023, 8:32 PM
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We have 51 4 and 5 stars on the team. And that is about par for the course over the past few years. According to 247 sports compostite rankings for each teams talent ranking, over the past few years we have hovered around the 4 or 5 mark, with this year being 5th. Georgia bama and Ohio state have always been ahead of us.
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
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Pretty much what I said yesterday, The recruiting has been good, but it lacks the difference makers we had from 2014 through 2020. Dabo has earned himself a lifetime contract, but it would be nice to get back in the national championship conversation again soon
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
Jan 11, 2023, 5:55 PM
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marcello should stick to futbol
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Clemson Icon [27753]
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The more
Jan 11, 2023, 6:03 PM
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The Tigers win the more they hate us! I love it. Ten wins in a season for eleven years now. Wonder how many ncaa teams would like to be able to say that.?
You answer reports like this on the field ... every Saturday AND Mr. Swinney knows this.
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
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Jan 11, 2023, 6:01 PM
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This ain't rocket science. What has changed the most these last few years? The level of players on the field or the level of coaches on the sidelines? The biggest on field slip has been the QB position, but the real damage has been the coaching change. Get a real OC, receivers and blocking coaches and you will see a top 5 team again.
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These guys getting paid to report what everybody on TNet already knows!
Jan 11, 2023, 6:46 PM
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Unfortunately, I completely agree with Brandon.***
Jan 11, 2023, 7:02 PM
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
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Jan 11, 2023, 8:11 PM
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Does this report surprise anyone? We have been dropping off the past three years. How can anyone be upset with this report? Our inbred coaching staff is not good. We are signing more and more players who can be great with development but our coaches don't seem to know how to do that. Gone are the days of coaching up players to play at their highest level - and what happens next? The best players in the nation see it and shy away. Yes, we'll get a few but not as many as we need.
One 5 star out of 26 signees this year. You can't hide it - we are not attracting top tier talent. When Dabo says we are stacked, I have to wonder what he is thinking....
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Standout [226]
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
Jan 12, 2023, 7:26 AM
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The Elite players coming out of HS with NFL aspirations are going to the elite schools that are competing for the CFP Title every year. Their playing for their NFL futures, NFL scouts and where their talents are being show cased and winning every week!!
This is the reality of the sport.
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
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Jan 11, 2023, 9:46 PM
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Well Dabo once said a few years Best is the Standard. Just recently Kirby said not allowing entitlement prevail with his team is what got him back to back Natty crowns. It appears in this present CFB climate Dabo has allowed entitlement seep in the team as evident of not allowing Cade to compete against DJ for QB1. He didn’t go into the portal and entice 5-star RB and #16 HS overall prospect in ‘19 in Trey Sanders RB to come to Clemson and compete against Shipley and Mufah for starting RB position at Clemson. Tigernetters you must face it…Dabo philosophy and actions maybe passé! However, I however I pray that I am wrong because I would love to see Clemson football flag on the top of mountain again!
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Trainer [46]
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
Jan 11, 2023, 9:48 PM
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Well Dabo once said a few years Best is the Standard. Just recently Kirby said not allowing entitlement prevail with his team is what got him back to back Natty crowns. It appears in this present CFB climate Dabo has allowed entitlement seep in the team as evident of not allowing Cade to compete against DJ for QB1. He didn’t go into the portal and entice 5-star RB and #16 HS overall prospect in ‘19 in Trey Sanders RB to come to Clemson and compete against Shipley and Mufah for starting RB position at Clemson. Tigernetters you must face it…Dabo philosophy and actions maybe passé! However, I however I pray that I am wrong because I would love to see Clemson football flag on the top of mountain again!
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Oculus Spirit [40325]
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Another meaningless neckbeard Beta***
Jan 11, 2023, 10:04 PM
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102407]
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We had a flat on the RR tire, we're fortunated to have...
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Jan 11, 2023, 10:05 PM
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moved at all with DJ behind center for two years. We lost the best college defensive line in history the year before so the other rear wheel was low on air. If we hadn't been rolling downhill we wouldn't have been rolling.
I don't know if we're going to be good enough to go the distance in the PO next season but we're going to make the cut for sure.
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Uncertain why Paul Tyson was mentioned.
Jan 11, 2023, 11:51 PM
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No doubt a good kid. If he plays, Clemson is in trouble.
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Re: Uncertain why Paul Tyson was mentioned.
Jan 12, 2023, 10:21 AM
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The Bear's Grandson is a Coach in uniform
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
Jan 12, 2023, 9:43 AM
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The problems became glaringly obvious in the Ohio State debacle..........since then I've seen nothing to suggest that our stale, predictable offense is improving. The decline of production in the WR room is what has me most concerned.
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Offensive Star [304]
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
Jan 12, 2023, 10:15 AM
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Keep talking Mr Marcello... Just keep talking...with the exception of Myles Murphy & KJ.. The Players
on Defense coming back were the most consistent and productive.
Just wait for the 2 headed monsters at QB (Cade & CV) the new Deshawn & Trevor
Just wait there will be (3) in the backfield that can 1st Run, 2nd Throw, 3rd Catch....
Talk about Triple Options
Keep talking...Georgia has been the Top Dog, but loses many on both sides of ball, same for Ohio State & Michigan and TCU kinda proves why they were not included before and probably not again for a time
Look for Alabama, LSU and Clemson in the 2023 playoffs
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Game Day Hero [4543]
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ACC champs - GO TIGERS***
Jan 12, 2023, 10:22 AM
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:45 AM
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We should be positioned well to win the conference again in 2023 and win 11 or 12 games. If you look at the average recruiting class rankings for tens in ACC and our rival, Carolina, here’s what you get:
Clemson: 7
UNC: 19
Miami: 19
FSU: 22
Gamecocks: 32
GT: 44
NCSU: 44
PiTT: 46
VT: 46
UVA: 49
BC: 50
Louis: 51
Duke: 54
WF: 60
Cuse: 65
So, as you see, we should beat the vast majority of the teams in our conference fairly easily. You could argue that UNC, Miami, FSU and Gamecocks could play fairly evenly with us, certainly competitively. Certainly an “x” factor is the QB position. Look how WF has played us lately….but they had Hartman. Look how well we faired during the Watson and Lawrence years. With DJ over the past two seasons, Swinney has had to use the “winning is hard to do” speech after we narrowly escaped a loss to much less talented teams. I’m hoping he can shelve that “winning is hard to do” speech for the next few years at least. As always, nothing personal, just business!
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Jan 12, 2023, 12:49 PM
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Dabo needs to own these issues. Make coaching changes and step up to reality with portal...
We'll be "##########" soon if things don't change...we "Clemsoned" twice this past year and few more were too close... we've dropped pretty far from holding Georgia to no offensive touchdowns two years ago
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Jan 12, 2023, 1:36 PM
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This guy is correct. One thing he did not address is our incestual coaching staff. I mean look, we have Cole Stoudt as the player development coach, and others but Dabo is apparently sticking with Brandon and Wes and the combination of them alone, without hitting the portal will be the end of us as a power. So what? We win the ACC powderpuff championship? Notre Dame beat both us and UNC and then we play an average SEC team and lose at home, and another which had so many players out in the bowl game, the ACC championship means nothing. The wins we had were against really lousy teams. The only decent team we beat was FSU and you can bet they will take us next year. If Clemson had been in the SEC, we would have probably been lucky to not have more than 5 losses.
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As long Joel Klatt thinks we are elite…..
Jan 12, 2023, 1:38 PM
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Oh wait.
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
Jan 12, 2023, 1:49 PM
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never heard of either one of them... talking heads. The debate is waged on the field.
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Re: TNET: National reporter on Clemson: 'They've been going downhill these last three years'
Jan 12, 2023, 3:48 PM
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Ha. He basically said "Clemson isn't good anymore. But i'll put them in as a playoff potential team."
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