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Only way to survive is to leave...***
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Re: Only way to survive is to leave...***
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Name me one team that has switched conferences and then became a contender for a national title?
It is a moronic concept. For what? Money? Someone far, far greater than me said:
“No one can serve two masters. For you will hate one and love the other; you will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and be enslaved to money. {Matthew 6:24}
The only "argument" that I have heard from Mickey Plyler, and others, for switching conferences is "the money".
Ask Texas A&M how the switch is working out for them?
Ridiculous.
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Re: Only way to survive is to leave...***
Apr 25, 2023, 10:20 PM
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Thanks Dabo
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I’d love to stay in the ACC, but how can we?
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How do you propose that Clemson compensate for the $50-$70 million LESS we will get EACH YEAR by staying in the ACC?
That’s not sustainable.
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Re: I’d love to stay in the ACC, but how can we?
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So far, with the current budget and current conference, we have one of the top three coaches in all of college football and one of the top five nicest football facilities in all of college football.
So much for the argument of $70-$100M alleged "deficit" that we supposedly face because we are not in the B10.
I still have not heard a rational argument for joining the SEC or the B10, other than "the money". It is my understanding that the school itself cannot contribute to NIL. That being said, joining another conference for "the money" would have zero impact on NIL budget.
I hear no mention of geographical fit for a school. CU in the B10 means that our women's volleyball team travels FOREVER for all away matches. How much do you think that costs (women's volleyball and ALL other sports teams not named football)?
What do you think is the value of winning, consistently, conference titles in football? If CU joins the B10, or SEC, our odds of winning conference titles diminishes considerably. There is lots of value in consistently winning conference titles - which we currently do.
As another poster stated, name a team not OSU or Michigan who has contended for the B10 title in the last 10 years? List a team not named "Bama, UGA, or LSU who has won the SEC title in the last ten years?
"But the money . . . ". Well, "the money" has not helped out any other team in the SEC, or B10, other than the names above.
I STILL have not heard a rational argument for leaving the ACC - other than "the money"!!
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Why isn’t money a good enough reason for you?
Apr 26, 2023, 5:00 PM
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Money is how we pay our coaches, how we pay for our facilities, how we pay for recruiting trips, etc.
A team at a huge money disadvantage might be able to put together a great season once in a blue moon if the stars align and they have the right coaches and players in place, but you can forget about that team being a consistent winner and competing for championships.
No amount of culture, love, or hard work can overcome $50-$70 million a year in missed funds.
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Re: Why isn’t money a good enough reason for you?
Apr 26, 2023, 8:18 PM
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But won’t you also be spending a lot more with all of the travel??
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Re: I’d love to stay in the ACC, but how can we?
Apr 26, 2023, 9:50 PM
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You’re looking at what we have now, with the current budget. But the problem isn’t “now”, it’s where we will be in the future. The money gap between the ACC and the SEC/BigTen exists, but it’s not that great. The new SEC contract hasn’t gone into affect yet and the Big Ten’s has just begun. The money gap is about to grow exponentially.
At the same time the funding requirements are drastically changing. NIL is just part of it. There’s serious discussions about revenue sharing with athletes. Most insiders think it’s only a matter of time before athletes are deemed to be employees. So even if Clemson could somehow stay competitive (they can’t) with the current structure and money gap, there is no way they will be successful against the power 2 teams in the new college world order.
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You have an unfortunate mind then…its ALWAYS about the $$$ in order..
May 31, 2023, 9:27 AM
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To be able to do many other things not related to Football. Most programs KNOW their prospects for consistent football success are limited.
There are really only a handful of programs (maybe 20?) who have any realistic chance of winning the Natty. Just the way it is! But, he Northwesterns, Vanderbilts, Syracuses’ etc who understand this, STILL see the value of the $$$ by association. Why? Because it funds so many other things important to said institutions
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Re: Only way to survive is to leave...***
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The ACC may not survive, and it's certainly not feasible to be an independent unless you are Notre Dame.
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Re: Only way to survive is to leave...***
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We play football to win. All we need is a level playing field. Money levels that field.
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Re: Only way to survive is to leave...***
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I think you’ve listened to too much Walt. But the reason that you leave is because the Gap will become so wide financially to the point all sports not named football will suffer. SEC and B10 teams will be able to afford the better coaches and facilities. Coaches will also prefer to coach in these mega conferences.
Recruiting for football. Players will want to go play in these mega conferences. That’s where the eyeballs will be. By the time the grant of rights are up the ACC teams will have been left behind while the B10 and SEC have created the massive conferences and dictated how the playoffs go.
Yes up till now the gap wasn’t that wide and changing conferences typically didn’t help teams. This situation is a lot different. If it wasn’t different then the FSU, CU, Miami and UNC wouldn’t be fighting tooth and nail to get out.
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Re: Only way to survive is to leave...***
Apr 26, 2023, 10:35 AM
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I feel like I understand where you’re coming from.
However, I disagree. I thought we were talking about football, not God. So in focusing only on football and revenue, you need a lot to compete.
The serving two másters argument does not correlate to needing money to compete against a large deficit to your rivals.
Also, TAMU has never been that great and they’re about the same in the SEC as they were the Big12.
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Apr 26, 2023, 10:58 AM
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When's the last time anyone not named Ohio State or Michigan has won the Big 10? Or Alabama, Georgia or LSU won the SEC? Or Oklahoma the Big 12? See the trend? Time in conference is irrelevant.
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Re: Only way to survive is to leave...***
Apr 26, 2023, 5:26 PM
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Your sample size of teams that have done this is way too small. The ACC is going to become the minor leagues and players that can help you win titles will stop playing in the ACC.
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Re: Only way to survive is to leave...***
Apr 26, 2023, 10:09 PM
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Agree, the same for Texas and Oklahoma (USC & UCLA as well). We need the ACC / ESPN to revise the deal, or head on to the SEC. Makes sense. The big schools UT, TAMU, Ohio St., Michigan, etc already Jane twice our Athletic Budget, regardless of conference,
The SEC & B10 will have too many teams. We need Power 5 conferences to be competitive, and not a power 2 with 40 teams…..
I know Clemson will do the right thing because we have great leaders, but the ACC and NCAA are full of Woke Idiots!
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Re: Only way to survive is to leave...***
Apr 27, 2023, 12:15 PM
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Texas A&M would never have the facilities they have now if they weren't an SEC school.
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Playing in the ACC is sooooo boring.
Apr 27, 2023, 8:57 PM
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And add to that we get more money to be in the SEC. Plus imagine all the Shamecock fans out there. Their minds will literally explode if they hear Clemson has joined the SEC.
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Thanks so much, David.
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Very interesting to hear what you’re hearing through your contacts and sources.
It seems clear that we have to get out of the ACC. I don’t see how it’s sustainable or fixable at this point.
Do you get a sense as to whether Clemson prefers the SEC or Big 10? There are obviously pros and cons for both conferences. I’m sure both would love to have us, which is a nice problem to have.
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Re: Thanks so much, David.
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I don’t think SC of UGA would want us in the SEC. Sadly, Clemson and FSU are the only ACC teams that generate a large TV audience.
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Re: Thanks so much, David.
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They won’t be able to block teams. This isn’t the 90s or early 2000s. This is a whole different animal. The B10 and SEC and looking to created Mega conferences and I think if the SEC wants us then we’ll be heading there. Texas A&M couldn’t keep out Texas.
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Re: Thanks so much, David.
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Agreed!
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
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Hmm sounds much sooner than expected and I don’t know how I feel about this. I’m probably in the minority since I enjoy the playing the teams we do every year and don’t like the impact this will have on other sports, but I also miss the old days when the ACC was much more regional.
Here’s to hoping whatever happens we get to keep some rivalries from the old ACC.
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
Apr 26, 2023, 8:42 AM
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Honestly, the way that we have been talked about, and with the finger pointing by the teams we have played with for 70 years, I would be happy to see Clemson leave the ACC and watch the ACC crumble to the ground after helping the ACC to stay alive for 70 years by always being competitive in FB, the biggest money making sport in college sports. I say H&11 yes, be one of the first to help light the torch that will burn the ACC down. And every member school that has refused to build a strong FB program should be the schools that are caught in the flames bc they are the ones that has caused the ACC to become such a weak conference in college FB!!!
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
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Thanks David. Keep us informed. I remember when Clemson was put on probation and the ACC put us on 2 more years of probation—ACC didn’t do us any favors. Guess who became the commish of the ACC—John Swofford former athletic director of UNC.
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
Apr 26, 2023, 10:15 PM
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100% Agree, a prime Woke Idiot!!!
There has never been any love for Clemson in the ACC.
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Thank you!
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Staying in the ACC is not sustainable. We need to join the SEC!
I just get so excited when I think of the road trips and all the matchups!!
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Re: Thank you!
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Staying in the ACC is not sustainable. We need to join the SEC!
I just get so excited when I think of the road trips and all the matchups!!
Because it means more?...
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It means we can’t go on the field after the game without a fine***
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Re: Thank you!
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It means more matchups with Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama and so on.
How can you not want a matchup with LSU every two years? How about Florida?
It’s so exciting to possibly join a conference with so much football tradition.
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Re: Thank you!
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Hahaha, Ole Alabama... lol... I guess it does mean a lot when we blow out those SEC teams in the natty.
I'm all about Clemson joining the SEC though, I'd love it. At least then it wouldn't be UGA vs Bama every year in the SEC game.
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
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David--I think your update was extremely interesting, and I would love to see more of these on a regular basis. It is, as you said, a very big deal. I view some sort of change as inevitable. The difference between $30 million and $80 or $100 million/year guarantees it. Academically, on the professorial side of things, I expect the Big Ten would be more attractive. In seeking 8 exits, I also wonder whether NC State and Duke would be interested. That would give Duke more clout in recruiting battles with Notre Dame since they are very close regarding the academic level of their recruits. Notre Dame, of course, has always been resistant to joining anyone, and it might also be (finally) tempted by the revenue upgrade. I'm not sure what they make being independent, but I can't imagine it is close to the 80-100 million number. They used to take football money and build academic buildings. Perhaps they still do, and if Notre Dame gets a huge revenue boost, they could either keep building or start building again. You discounted Wake Forest in your broadcast, but they are trying to make noise in football, so why not join up?
Thanks again for the update. Please keep them coming.
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
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This is Agent K again. I just looked up the Notre Dame revenue from athletics. It appears to be $22 million annually from their TV contract. However, there are multiple very recent news reports that it is seeking $75 million from NBC in the next negotiation. That means that Notre Dame is trying to leverage NBC with the threat of joining a super-conference. However, it also suggests they are vulnerable to joining if their final NBC number falls short of their expectations. Notre Dame may not jump for a mere 10-15 million, but there is also the question of how telegenic their games would be if the great bulk of their season included teams from, for example, the expanded Big Ten. I could certainly imagine NBC having diminished interest in the Notre Dame schedule, which includes Big Ten schools and USC and some ACC annually.
The other thought I have is that it might be more appealing to hot-shot recruits (and to TV providers) to have a coast-to-coast league, and that would be the Big Ten with UCLA, USC, and then some east coast schools including Clemson, Florida State, Miami, and UNC.
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
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Notre Dame wanted to join the Big 10 badly at one time, but Fielding Yost kept them out with the anti-Catholic stuff. Since then, it’s really been a point of principle to be independent.
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
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But what about DJ said!!!???
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
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Great observations. Everything we did with the expansion of the acc was all about basketball.
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I don’t think it’s fair to say that the ACC was satisfied being a basketball conference.
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Apr 25, 2023, 11:26 PM
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The ACC added Miami, Virginia Tech, and Boston College largely because of their recent football success. Louisville brought recent football success too. They seemed like good football additions at the time. No one saw those teams falling off like they did.
Blaming the ACC for taking them, or for somehow encouraging their football decline, is crazy.
If Virginia Tech and Miami had both maintained their football success better, we might not be having this conversation about needing to leave the ACC.
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Re: I don’t think it’s fair to say that the ACC was satisfied being a basketball conference.
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I thought financial support for the program didn't matter.
Apr 26, 2023, 10:20 AM
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Now you're saying it does?
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Re: I thought financial support for the program didn't matter.
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
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I think the issue is whether 8 teams think they would be asked to join another conference if they left the ACC. FSU and Clemson attract audiences which drives advertising revenues. What about the other six schools that are needed to reach a majority? Would the SEC or BIG 10 want UNC, Miami, or NC State? After that you need two more teams. BC, Syracuse, and Wake Forest aren’t attractive. That leaves VT, UVA, Duke, Louisville, and Pitt.
Are there six teams other than Clemson and FSU that would be attractive as new members of another conference?
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
Apr 26, 2023, 10:22 AM
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I think VT, UVA, Duke, Louisville, and Pitt would all be attractive to the SEC and Big 10 on some level. They obviously aren't major draws, but they do bring value to the table.
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
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Maybe the B1G takes UVA, UNC, GT, and Miami while the SEC takes Clemson, FSU, NCST, and VT. NCST and VT add two growing states to the SEC footprint.
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
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Wow. I did not expect that. When I first started the video my thoughts were here we go, Tigernet is here to squash these rumors. David, and I mean this as a compliment, you’ve always seemed to be a straight shooter, but also fact focused. Very little sharing of speculative subjects. I appreciate your perspective and insight. I really believe you guys who cover Clemson exclusively have great sources and inside information. So when you express your opinions so openly I certainly take notice. Good stuff. Keep it up.
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
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I do not want it to happen. The ACC has stood for academic as well as athletic excellence. Clemson has put that order of emphasis, particularly since Dabo became head coach. The SEC has made it clear that athletics are all that matter. I do not want to be a part of NFL-lite. Let the SEC and B1G form a semi-pro league, but I want to see Clemson continue to be a part of college athletics.
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This is a major reason why I prefer the Big 10
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over the SEC for our next move.
Staying in the ACC would be my preference, but not if the ACC continues down its current path. The revenue discrepancy compared to other conferences is not sustainable.
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Ridiculous comment - schools like Georgia are
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incredibly tough for a regular student to gain admissions to - as a resident of Georgia students need a 4.4 with great test scores for admission. It’s really easy to sit back and state opinions that aren’t true but the facts are there are some incredible academic institutions in the SEC like Georgia and Florida.
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The ACC needs to renegotiate with E$PN
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Maybe there is some leverage with the threat of dissolving the ACC. E$PN needs to pay their affiliated conferences the same amount of money. Otherwise E$PN is essentially determining the stronger teams by paying them more. That seems very wrong to me. The playing field needs to be level.
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Agree with your statement 007
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And that will be a litigation point in an eventual court case IMHO -- ESPN predetermining winners and losers with Ms State and SCU earning double Clemson's ACC revenue.
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
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It’s funny that people assume Clemson can just waltz its way into the SEC or the B1G. Those conferences don’t need or want anyone not named Notre Dame. We better get used to making $70M less every year and hope for the best…because we are screwed.
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Respectfully Disagree Uproar84 My Man
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Clemson has become a national brand on the backs of Dabo, DW4, TL16 and the Power Rangers. Two recent natl championships have changed the landscape. Folks turn in to Tiger games nationwide. For this reason, 2023 W-L's will be even more important ...
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
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🤔 Tighten up the chin strap TNET, sounds like something is coming. Like it or not.
GO TIGERS!!!!
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Thanks, David.
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Good video.
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
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Hope it’s SEC but Big 10 would be fun also. Would love to keep at least one team from the triangle on the schedule, and FSU. Miami and VT, meh. Could see Duke and Syracuse going the big east route for basketball. Wake might be Sunbelt bound. Louisville and Pitt anre intriguing I think for some conferences, but Boston College is done for. UVA should probably join the big east also. Georgia Tech has potential, but likely on the outs.
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I’m glad to hear from more sources
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Apr 26, 2023, 6:44 AM
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Than just people who want clicks on twitter. I’m intrigued by all of the talk so I’m all for more videos and more features around the topic.
Personally I hope we hear that the ACC has enough teams and break Swoffords contract. I’d pick the SEC over the BIG10 simply for the match ups and the natural rivalries already in place.
I’d assume that some of the teams David mentioned believe the Big12 might want them, but we’ll see how it shakes out.
I’m also amazed at the amount of people who still think the following:
1) Clemson (or any team not in the SEC or BIG10) can withstand the two conferences making 50-80M more than other schools each year without separating themselves. More money= better coaches, facilities, players, etc.
2) somehow USC can block us from the SEC.
3) that it’s better to stay in the ACC and hope for the best for nostalgia sake. This is and always will be about money.
4) non revenue sports will force Clemson to have to stay in our region of the country because it’s too expensive to travel. IMO football will eventually separate itself and all other sports will end up being somewhat regionally appropriate. But until then, you’re losing money that’s out there. Do all your can to get out if you want to get in with the money and keep competing at the top.
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Interesting….didn’t realize that if 8 schools
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decided to leave the Grant of Rights was null and void. If Clemson, FSU, MIA, UNC, NCST, VT all make other plans Cuse and PITT better be working the phones with the Big Ten !
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
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The moment Greg Swaim was mentioned I was disappointed.
He's missed on so many realignment topics since 2010 as to become a walking joke among media and fans
that follow realignment closely.
I'm surprised Hood brought him up knowing Swaim's reputation.
The one flaw with the getting 8 schools to leave is that 8 schools have to have an invite the SEC and Big 10. I guess it could happen, but right now schools like Oklahoma St, Kansas, Washington, and Oregon are sitting on the sidelines. Only Clemson and FSU are in that category.
And schools like Maryland, Rutgers, and Missouri were choices ahead of bigger brands. What the SEC and Big 10 want may not be what leaving schools want.
Those 8 schools have to be 100% positive they will have a landing spot or the risk is too great, and with 14 years left on the GOR?
I just don't see, try again maybe around 2030, and if the rumor started with Swaim I really don't see it.
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
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Who needs more money--we have so much now we can waste millions on parking lot vanity projects for Tiger Walk
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Or maybe 8 team threaten to leave/officially seek invitation
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nullifies GOR to the point of renegotiating and creating a new ACC with remaining ACC teams and other teams left on the outside looking in. SEC/B1G take 2-4 teams each and the rest align with other non traditional football schools or academies.
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I don’t like it. I don’t like any of it.
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NIL, the portal, mega conferences, the obscene amounts of money.
As Dabo has said, “we all know where this is headed” (mega conferences and breaking away from the NCAA) but that doesn’t mean we have to like it,
In the course of college football history I think people will one day look back and see that Clemson won two Natties at the tail end of an era.
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Thanks David
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Nice to hear from a credible source with actual ties to the program. More videos please.
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Thank you, David
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I say UVA and Pitt as the 7th and 8th teams
Let Duke join the Big East
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
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As far as our history in the ACC is concerned, history is made and changes everyday, and Clemson will make history in any conference they're a part of. For the schools that are scared to death of an ACC collapse bc they are such a weak FB school and nobody wants them bc of it, well they should have thought about that while they were setting back and sucking up the money that has been made by Clemson, and FSU. I say suck it up butter cup, bc when you live by your sword, you can also die by your own sword, and personally I would love to see it happen for them and let them enjoy their basketball money without Clemson made FB money....
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
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To be honest, every team not named Wake Forest or Boston College needs to be thinking about realignment, and even those two need to as well. Teams need to be looking at the SEC and B10 B12 if they want to compete. It sucks for Wake, they've been coming around lately in football. Sweeney said it nearly a decade ago when he challenged the other coaches in the league to step up, and he was right.
The ACC missed its opportunity to compete with the realignment as the Big 12 lost Texas and Oklahoma. The ACC should have gone after some teams then - West Virginia, Cincinnati, and UCF would have helped a little, and maybe if some new teams came in and the conference renegotiated their deals then possibly Notre Dame could have made a grand entrance. But not now. There's no other teams out there that would make sense to bring on. So this is a product of a failure to adapt at the top of our conference.
The only way the ACC doesn't dissolve IMO is if the Pac 12 doesn't dissolve and they together create their own league together, but even now it might be too late with UCLA and USC headed out. We are just next to be poached after the good teams from the Pac12 are taken.
Personally I'd like to see us head to the SEC along with FSU, Miami, and UNC. Teams like NC State, Louisville, Wake and GT could be a fit over in the Big 12, with Pitt, UVA, VT, and Cuse going to the Big 10. That just leaves BC and Duke. It's to the point now where you gotta realign if you want to stay relevant.
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I said it back when the Tex/OU news broke that the ACC
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Should've reached out to combination of West Virginia, Cincy, and/or UCF. Adding teams I think would've allowed for renegotiating the TV deal & trying to get better $. Also telling Notre Dame that either they're in all the way or they were getting the boot for all their other sports would've helped as well (w/ bringing NBC to table as a partner, plus having the Irish's name brand as a bargaining chip too).
& I still feel the biggest misstep the ACC made the previous decade was when the deal with Notre Dame was made, they should've tried to get NBC as a partner in the media rights deals. None of the other P5 leagues tied themselves to 1 singular network during this time frame (SEC is an exception now, but look how much their new deal w/ ESPN will be after years of splitting TV rights compared to the ACC whose TV rights have been sole property of ESPN for decade plus).
I dislike the moves leading to bigger & bloated everything (conferences, postseason, etc), losing years of regional ties & history. But every move the ACC made trying to be proactive (i.e. - Miami/VT in 2000s, Louisville in 2010s for example) has blown up in their face. & every move made in reaction (the TV kit & kaboodle deal w/ ESPN, the half-a**ed deal w/ ND) has further put the league behind the 8 ball. With the amount of $ at stake & knowing the deficit will only get bigger between the haves & have-nots, unfortunately Clemson needs to be on board w/ putting the ACC out of its misery.
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First words: "no"
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His first word after asking if Clemson is leaving: "no." (insert "shrug" emoji here)
We gonna be fine, & having the top-rated funding arm in college athletics is a distinct advantage worth sharing.
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
Apr 26, 2023, 10:44 AM
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I get the money issue. If you look at revenue sports,( men’s basketball, baseball and football ) how many national championships have they one in the last 20 years? Look it up, 1! ACC, Big 12, PAC 10 all have multiple national championships. The BIG 10 with all the resources and income has 1! Money is important, but winning titles is why we do it.
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
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Yes, it's only a matter of when.
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Definitely would love more videos in the coming weeks and months!
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Thanks for your clemson coverage, David!
I’ll be at the Prowl and Growl event tonight in North Charleston!
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
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Thanks David... Very informative. Keep us updated on what you hear.
Go Tigers!!!
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
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As far as market reach, I think Clemson and FSU offer more to the Big10, but could also see SEC mainly wanting Clemson/FSU to keep them out of the Big10 and try to corner the Southern Football market.
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David, I do have a couple of questions
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before the questions, I want to thank you for this incredible information and insight. I am stunned. I must say, I am still in the camp that hopes for an intact ACC, with Notre Dame as a full member to make for a third power super conference. Here are my questions:
1. Certainly, if these schools are going to blow up the conference, assuming they get 8, they had better have a guaranteed landing spot? Have you heard anything to indicate that that either one of the power two would definitely be home of each of the break away schools?
2. I have been under the impression that the Big and SEC would not take anyone that can't guarantee that each existing school gets paid more than they are now? That would be a large number to cover 16 schools and then ourselves.
3. Is it an actuality that Clemson is getting a vet school and trying to get in the AAU, or is that something you heard?
Thanks again for the insight and it sure is exciting to think about the possibilities.
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Re: Answer to #3...
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I just don't see greener pastures by leaving. Joining the SEC would put you in line for a virtual firing squad of a schedule. The Big12 is better. But I don't all around upside to make it look doable.
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The ACC working out a better deal with ESPN would best
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Media companies should take better care of their properties. This would solve a lot of problems.
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Thanks for the Illumination @David Hood
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It's the biggest story in college football if the ACC GOR is broken, and your tidbit that UNC is on board is meaningful.
As little respect as I have for Swofford's uneven leadership of the ACC, I wonder what Swofford is thinking as his policies and contracts are bringing the league down, and even UNC is looking to jump ship. Appreciate you keeping us posted.
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
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David,
I always love seeing your reports and such but this one was clearly done only because the OW game is over and its the dead period. Sure things might happen and if/when it does it will be about a lot more than football. I know this is a 95% football site and no one loves the sport more than I do but dont equate football success with the success of the University. Your off-handed mention about joining the AAU as a prerequisite for joinig the Big 10 was dead on - they are not just looking for football teams. I believe we could actully fit there but FSU has no chance. The point is that you guys that have been and contiune to stir the pot for moving (remember a few years ago when folks were posting - they knew and there sources knew we were leaving...how did that work out???) only think about football and TV revenue. Who else would it benefit??? With playoff expansion you can argue that it doesn't help football if that is why we are moving - barring a collapse, with 12 teams we are in. It doesn't put us in,it gives us breathing room as Day said. Now we can't get crushed by a ND and flat lay an egg against an inferior SC team like we did and get in but that's completely our own fault and has nothing to do with conference affiliation.
I think where we are going is a separaton of football, heck we are basically there now with the playoff not being owned by the NCAA. This makes sense and you keep the regional affiliations for everyone else. Baseball if fine the way it works and probably basketball too. I know we APPEARED to get screwed this year but we validated the snub with our NIT play and make the selection committee look great! Again, our own fault and had nothing to do with our conference logo!
Good fodder for off season chat I guess but in the end talking to football people is only going to give you insight into what those people think and believe me that is not where the decisons are made.
I'm a lifelong Tiger wherever we go so I really don't care.
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Re: TNET: WATCH: Will Clemson leave the ACC?
Apr 28, 2023, 9:29 AM
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Not sure why we have loyalty to ACC anymore. They will only protect Tarholes and Dukey. Didnt Swofford try to give Clemson Football the death penalty years ago? I know he is no longer a part of the ACC but he was the AD at Tarhole land. Clemson can compete in all of their sports, you always want to go up against the best it makes you better.
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