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Look, youve got to crack a few eggs
Apr 2, 2025, 11:38 AM
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to make an omelette.
That’s just the cost of winning.
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I've heard multiple MAGAts make this argument***
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Peeps are wrongly incarcerated every day
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Apr 2, 2025, 2:48 PM
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Of course, I'm not trying to take anything away from your politically motivated rant....so, carry on.
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Re: I would love to hear one you Magas defend this
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Apr 2, 2025, 11:47 AM
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Those dumb@$$es don't understand the importance of due process. The blond skanque clearly doesn't if you listen to her yesterday.
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Tiger Titan [48932]
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As I pointed out in another thread...
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Apr 2, 2025, 12:45 PM
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If due process is denied to any of these people, then all of us are no longer citizens. Because if someone can be arrested and deported/imprisoned without due process, then they are not able to prove in court that they are a citizen.
Allow this to fall for anyone here in the U.S., and they can do it to all of us.
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There's still time
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Apr 2, 2025, 1:00 PM
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To get that piece of charming oceanfront property in Venezuela that you've always wanted. Hurry, while supply's last.
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Tiger Titan [48932]
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Sounds like with how much you hate freedom and our Constitution...
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Apr 2, 2025, 1:03 PM
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You'd enjoy it more.
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Freedom?
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Apr 2, 2025, 1:06 PM
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Let me know when the Trump administration violates your rights.
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Re: Here's a great example of Trump's attitude toward freedom and our
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Apr 2, 2025, 1:47 PM
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Try to keep up, okay. Let me know when Trump violates YOUR rights.
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Tiger Titan [48932]
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This is always the dumb argument of Trumpkins, who lack any semblance...
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Apr 2, 2025, 1:53 PM
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Of empathy.
People who actually have it AND support our Constitution (which you don't) stand up for others when their rights are violated.
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Re: This is always the dumb argument of Trumpkins, who lack any semblance...
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Apr 2, 2025, 2:02 PM
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Unlike you, I don't pretend to care about things or people just so I can go on a chat board and make comments to get attention. You, on the other hand crave the attention that you get from people like yourself who "care" about every cause and "victim" that you can find. It just seems a little shallow to me. But, you be you. Enjoy yourself.
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I think it says more about you
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Apr 2, 2025, 2:24 PM
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That you can't imagine that folks who care about what happens to others they don't know aren't pretending.
But to speak in a language you can understand, I think it in *MY* best interest to care about stuff like this when it happens to other folks. Because I can see the line of thinking being used to rationalize treating me, or someone I'm close to, the same way.
Empathy for others is not a weakness, and it exists, and in fact it's in your best interest to cultivate it in yourself and others.
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Re: I think it says more about you
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Apr 2, 2025, 2:35 PM
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And you don't know $hit about me. Let's leave it at that.
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Well... I know you just asserted that those of us who care
Apr 2, 2025, 2:38 PM
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About what is happening in this situation are pretending.
Which is exactly what I was referring to.
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Re: I think it says more about you
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We can read enough to know you're selfish, amoral, and lack empathy toward your fellow Americans. Which makes you perfect for the Trump crowd.
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Re: Unlike you...
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Then leave the country man. Who's stopping you?
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Tiger Titan [48932]
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Another typical dumb Trumpkin response.***
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Re: Another typical dumb Trumpkin response.***
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Apr 2, 2025, 2:41 PM
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Typical. All hat and no a$$. Get to the nearest airport. I'll buy the ticket. One way, to the country of your choice.
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So, to be clear
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Apr 2, 2025, 2:43 PM
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Is it your assertion that anyone who criticizes the behavior of the US government should leave the country?
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Re: So, to be clear
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Nope. But I was taught early in life that if you hate something that much, you either leave it or, get rid of it.
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Top TigerNet [31636]
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Ahh, so you think he "HATES" the US?
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Apr 2, 2025, 2:50 PM
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Is that the confusion?
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Re: Ahh, so you think he "HATES" the US?
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Apr 2, 2025, 3:00 PM
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Read his posts. If it quacks like a duck...... Anyway, you folks enjoy being the champions of liberty and justice.
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Tiger Titan [48932]
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Oh boy. Learn to read.
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Apr 2, 2025, 2:57 PM
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I said YOU hate what this country stands for, not me.
Lawd.
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Re: So, to be clear
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Yes I would love to get rid of IT but I would have to go to jail 😳.
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Re: Deal!
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Apr 2, 2025, 3:03 PM
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I wouldn't follow you to an outhouse. With your attitude, we'd be dead within a week. By the way, I offered YOU a one way ticket.
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Re: Deal!
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By the way, Belize is a crime ridden dump. When you go down there, you may want to take some butt cream. Oh, and you may want to say "goodbye". I doubt you'll be making the return flight.
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Tiger Titan [48932]
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Wow...
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Apr 2, 2025, 4:00 PM
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Not only can you not read (you thought I want to go with you?), you don't know much about San Pedro and the best Belize has to offer. There's a reason Americans flock to live there.
Maybe it's time for you to stop being old and humorless.
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Man youre a shítty person.***
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Why do all of you MAGAs talk the same way?***
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He's doomed anyways ... the climate change is gonna get him.***
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Orange Elite [5337]
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So no defense of the point that the OP was making?
Apr 2, 2025, 12:06 PM
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Just happy to excuse a clear violation of the Constitution?
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Their defense:
Apr 2, 2025, 12:05 PM
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"We're okay with it because we want them all deported regardless of status. And eventually all of them, plus dissidents, imprisoned."
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Re: Their defense:
Apr 2, 2025, 12:13 PM
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I think there are some that just want them all gone. Then there are people like yourself where everyone of the is a victim even when legitimately booted. There are nuances that both of your groups are missing.
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You started well then crashed and burned.
Apr 2, 2025, 12:51 PM
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You've completely misread my opinion because you don't like that I proved you wrong on the other topic.
I don't think "everyone of the is a victim" if they're legitimately removed through due process. That's where you're missing the point. These people are being rounded up and kicked out without due process AND they're being arrested for their speech. The ONLY, and I mean the ONLY defense you've had for that is, "Well, if it's pro-Hamas, good."
I know there are people who need to get kicked out of here but do it correctly. And you are defending people getting snatched off the street by masked thugs (literally what happened to the Tufts woman) because of what she wrote in an editorial.
NO ONE should be getting arrested if their visa is revoked, especially for speech. But even if validly revoked, why are they being arrested like they're criminals?
So no, you swung and whiffed here. You don't understand my argument.
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Re: You started well then crashed and burned.
Apr 2, 2025, 1:54 PM
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You haven't proved anything. You seem delusional. If a student visa is revoked they should be deported. They are no longer students. Where are you getting confused here. You're working so hard to fit a square peg into a round hole that you are coming across as delusional.
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Re: Their defense:
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Bingo! You're coming around. When you realize illegals are not citizens and are breaking the law you'll be even closer. Now you want to chose the prison? He was going to prison either way - being illegal, trafficking, MS-13, and .... His gang fears was a smoke screen and you Sheeple will fall for anything. Enjoy being home in El Salvador.
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Well at least you made it clear for us you didnt
Apr 2, 2025, 12:38 PM
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read the article.
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Orange Elite [5337]
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Or the Constitution for that matter
Apr 2, 2025, 12:43 PM
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Otherwise, he would realize that citizenship is not a determining factor for when due process is applied.
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Defend this first
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26-year-old José Antonio Ibarra, a Venezuelan man who had entered the United States illegally in September 2022, crossing the United States' southern border with Mexico near El Paso, Texas.[5][30][8] After crossing the border, he was apprehended by federal authorities, who subsequently released him into the country. Ibarra initially stayed at the Roosevelt Hotel migrant shelter in New York before taking a flight to Georgia, where his brother lived.[36][37] UGA police stated that he lived in an apartment complex about 1 mile (1.6 km) from the wooded area where Riley's body was found.[10]
Ibarra had been previously arrested by both federal and state officials in multiple jurisdictions. In September 2023, Ibarra was arrested in New York City and charged with "acting in a manner to injure a child less than 17 and a motor vehicle license violation" for driving a scooter without a license with a child who was not wearing a helmet.[38][37][39][40][41] In October 2023, José and his brother, who was reported by authorities to be a member of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua who temporarily worked at UGA,[42][43][44] were arrested by Athens police on theft charges for reportedly possessing stolen merchandise from a local Walmart, and were later released.[45][46] Ibarra had a bench warrant issued for his arrest in December 2023 after failing to appear in court in a shoplifting case in Georgia.[47] ICE stated that it had missed an opportunity to detain Ibarra after an arrest in New York because he was released by New York officials before a detainer could be issued.[37]
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Sounds like an egregious error in policework.
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Apr 2, 2025, 12:37 PM
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But not an excuse for ignoring due process for every other offender after that.
And now that I've addressed your deflection -- your thoughts on the original point?
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Re: Sounds like an egregious error in policework.
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Here's what I think. If the article is complete and accurate than there needs to be a means for which he could be returned home. However, if another agency has proof of his gang affiliation than so be it. I am will to bet he is a gang member.
Here's the problem. For too long the liberals judges and mayor's have trampled on citizen rights and created this swing back in the other direction. I never hear any of you speak out against sanctuary cities or no bail posting or things like that. But this is a travesty.
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Even with due process, people are wrongly punished/ jailed/ accused etc
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Apr 2, 2025, 12:10 PM
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It's a big country.
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And that's exactly why due process is so important.
Apr 2, 2025, 12:38 PM
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Even WITH it in place, mistakes still happen.
Do you think the number of mistakes would increase or decrease with the removal of due process?
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No one has done that.***
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Do you believe that in this case due process was carried out?***
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Orange Blooded [2428]
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or this
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José Inez García Zárate (or Juan Francisco López-Sánchez),[19] of Guanajuato, Mexico, is an illegal immigrant who was deported from the U.S. a total of five times, most recently in 2009.[20] He was on probation in Texas at the time of the shooting.[21] He had seven non-violent felony convictions. When he was apprehended, discrepancies in García Zárate age had him listed as 45 years old by police, but as 52 in jail records.[22]
García Zárate arrived in the U.S. sometime before 1991, in the same year he would be convicted of his first drug charge in Arizona. He worked in Washington state in roofing and construction, and would also be convicted three times for felony heroin possession and manufacturing narcotics. Following another drug conviction and jail term in Oregon, the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) deported García Zárate in June 1994. However, García Zárate returned to the U.S. within two years and was convicted again of heroin possession in Washington state. He was sebsequently deported for the second time in 1997.[19]
On February 2, 1998, García Zárate was deported for the third time, after reentering the U.S. through Arizona. United States Border Patrol caught him six days later at a border crossing, and a federal court sentenced García Zárate to five years and three months in federal prison for unauthorized reentry. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), successor of the INS, deported García Zárate in 2003 for his fourth deportation. However, he reentered the U.S. through the Texas border and got another federal prison sentence for reentry before being deported for the fifth time in June 2009.[19]
Less than three months after his fifth deportation, García Zárate was caught attempting to cross the border in Eagle Pass, Texas. He pleaded guilty to felony reentry; upon sentencing, a federal court recommended García Zárate be placed in "a federal medical facility as soon as possible".[19]
On March 26, 2015, at the request of the San Francisco Sheriff's Department (SFSD), United States Bureau of Prisons (BOP) had turned García Zárate over to San Francisco authorities for an outstanding drug warrant.[23] San Francisco officials transported García Zárate to San Francisco County Jail on March 26, 2015, to face a 20-year-old felony charge of selling and possessing marijuana after García Zárate completed his latest prison term in San Bernardino County for entering in the country without the proper documents.[24]
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) had issued a detainer for García Zárate requesting that he be kept in custody until immigration authorities could pick him up. However, as a sanctuary city, San Francisco's "Due Process for All" ordinance[25] restricted cooperation with ICE to only cases where the immigrant had both current violent felony charges and past violent felony convictions; therefore, San Francisco disregarded the detainer and released him.[26][27] He was released from San Francisco County Jail on April 15, 2015, and had no outstanding warrants or judicial warrants, as confirmed by the San Francisco Sheriff's Department.[21]
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So is your argument that...
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Apr 2, 2025, 1:04 PM
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Because you have examples of actual criminals who should have been booted, we should also start rounding up and booting legal people who follow the law? Or citizens who are descendants of immigrants?
Because that's what your argument sounds like.
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Sceenplay Idea
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A South Carolina man is Detained riding his bike to work and sent to El Salvadore because he has a Kid Rock Tattoo on his forearm which is mistaken for the Virgin Mary.
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Keowee Indians - Steve Buscemi Civil Right Attourney - Barbra Streisand Rapist #1 - Danny Trejo Rapist #2 - John Leguizamo Rapist #3 - Andy Garcia
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Re: So is your argument that...
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Here's what I think. If the article is complete and accurate than there needs to be a means for which he could be returned home. However, if another agency has proof of his gang affiliation than so be it. I am will to bet he is a gang member.
Here's the problem. For too long the liberals judges and mayor's have trampled on citizen rights and created this swing back in the other direction. I never hear any of you speak out against sanctuary cities or no bail posting or things like that. But this is a travesty.
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That's a bad situation.
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Probably the best way to avoid mistaken deportation from any country, to include the U.S., is to not arrive in said country illegally in the first place and in so doing place oneself at the mercy of a system that is not built on empathy but rather rule of law.
I'm flying tomorrow. Say my alarm doesn't go off and I'm running late.
If I were to try and circumvent TSA to save time and board my plane, I might make it all the way to my seat in 9D without anyone being the wiser. I may even make it to my final destination. But it wouldn't change the fact that I've just broken a few federal laws.
And so if the guys with guns and badges roll up to my hotel at 3 a.m. and carry my butt downtown for questioning and placement on the no-fly list, I can't blame my alarm clock for what's about to happen.
And if I get jostled by the TSA agents when they crash my door and put me in bracelets, or the American legal system at-large while my case is adjudicated, well, that's what I signed up for when I decided the law didn't apply to me.
The one role I don't get to play in the whole lousy situation? "Victim."
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Was the MD man a democrat?
Apr 3, 2025, 10:08 AM
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That might make a difference in my reply.
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