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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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So when does " The polls were really correct" BS start?
Nov 6, 2020, 12:39 AM
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axing for a frand.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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already has***
Nov 6, 2020, 12:55 AM
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Re: So when does " The polls were really correct" BS start?
Nov 6, 2020, 1:34 AM
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That would be a really tough one to defend.
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Kind of indefensible this time.***
Nov 6, 2020, 1:42 AM
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Re: Kind of indefensible this time.***
Nov 6, 2020, 6:25 AM
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Yeah.
The debate was: "is there a shy Trump voter?" The pollsters had made all these convincing and rational answers about how they'd adjusted their methodology, how the "shy Trump voter" was really just a unicorn and a myth - which on the face of it seemed right, because there's certainly a strong segment of Trump supporters that love to wear their MAGA hats and will not effing shut up, ever...well, oops. So much for that.
Not a unicorn, clearly. And those creatures seem to live predominantly in the Midwest - though a new sub-species called Shy Trump Voter Cubanus seems to have emerged in Florida the last four years - and they're remarkably good at avoiding pollsters. Or the pollsters are just remarkably bad at finding them.
The real question is: are these shy Trump voters - who oddly didn't appear in the 2018 mid-terms - going to fade back into the woodwork for 2024 if more traditional Republican politicians like Tim Scott or Nikki Haley front the ticket - or are they now a permanent bloc in American politics, or at least American presidential politics.
I have no clue, myself. I'm curious who these folks actually are. Any notion? They would seem to be less-frequent voters, but seemingly not lower-information voters, because they also popped out of the woodwork big-time here in South Carolina and completely wrecked the notion that Jamie Harrison had any chance against Lindsey Graham...and by and large they in no way fell for the bait-and-switch trap of voting for Bill Bledsoe, who had already dropped out. (Bledsoe only currently has 32,607 votes...or less than 1.3%, which I suppose might have been crucial in a super-tight race, but thanks to these mysterious unicorns, it absolutely wasn't.)
The pollsters clearly have some issues to work out, whatever.
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Re: Kind of indefensible this time.***
Nov 6, 2020, 6:29 AM
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(Bleh. Missed an italics close. Need coffee. Sorry. Post should have read like this:)
Yeah.
The debate was: "is there a shy Trump voter?" The pollsters had made all these convincing and rational answers about how they'd adjusted their methodology, how the "shy Trump voter" was really just a unicorn and a myth - which on the face of it seemed right, because there's certainly a strong segment of Trump supporters that love to wear their MAGA hats and will not effing shut up, ever...well, oops. So much for that.
Not a unicorn, clearly. And those creatures seem to live predominantly in the Midwest - though a new sub-species called Shy Trump Voter Cubanus seems to have emerged in Florida the last four years - and they're remarkably good at avoiding pollsters. Or the pollsters are just remarkably bad at finding them.
The real question is: are these shy Trump voters - who oddly didn't appear in the 2018 mid-terms - going to fade back into the woodwork for 2024 if more traditional Republican politicians like Tim Scott or Nikki Haley front the ticket - or are they now a permanent bloc in American politics, or at least American presidential politics?
I have no clue, myself. I'm curious who these folks actually are. Any notion? They would seem to be less-frequent voters, but seemingly not lower-information voters, because they also popped out of the woodwork big-time here in South Carolina and completely wrecked the notion that Jamie Harrison had any chance against Lindsey Graham...and by and large they in no way fell for the bait-and-switch trap of voting for Bill Bledsoe, who had already dropped out. (Bledsoe only currently has 32,607 votes...or less than 1.3%, which I suppose might have been crucial in a super-tight race, but thanks to these mysterious unicorns, it absolutely wasn't.)
The pollsters clearly have some issues to work out, whatever.
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we will just have to find some elite pollsters
Nov 6, 2020, 7:36 AM
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Re: Kind of indefensible this time.***
Nov 6, 2020, 7:41 AM
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You mean things should be taken on a case by case basis and there's a little more nuance to the situations?
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The same time that the...
Nov 6, 2020, 7:41 AM
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"Trumpers won't whine, cry, and rage when they lose like the libs did in 2016" stuff starts.
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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Well I haven't seen any of them crying yet.
Nov 6, 2020, 10:18 AM
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Or saying they needed a few days off work to "process" the election. Also haven't heard any of them talking about being scared.
Heck, Van Jones is still saying some dems are scared because Biden hasn't won by enough. Guess what Jones..that's life. Not everyone s going to like you. Deal with it.
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Re: Well I haven't seen any of them crying yet.
Nov 6, 2020, 10:37 AM
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You're literally watching them cry, ####, moan, and rage on this board. And plenty of them espoused fear leading up to the election ("Are you ready for COMMUNISM!?!" - MiuraTiger).
Van Jones is over emotional.
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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I mean literally crying, like tears rolling down their
Nov 6, 2020, 10:45 AM
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cheeks.
If its happening you KNOW the media would be blasting that image 24x7.
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You're gonna sit there and tell me...
Nov 6, 2020, 11:29 AM
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T3 ain't sitting at his computer, tears rolling down his cheeks, as he hammers at the keyboard in rage?
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Re: So when does " The polls were really correct" BS start?
Nov 6, 2020, 10:13 AM
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I think a lot of polls were off and of course the most extreme ones got the most attention, especially on Facebook and Twitter.
However, I will be interested to see how the final results match up to 538 (which averages the polls).
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Re: So when does " The polls were really correct" BS start?
Nov 6, 2020, 1:47 PM
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Polls on Georgia were absolutely dead on. I think we should let all the votes be counted before we examine the polls. California will be counting for weeks. I would imagine a lot of the early calls are still counting mail in ballots. Now clearly Wisconsin underestimated Trump's numbers. Ohio was accurate, as was Florida. Arizona appears accurate.
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