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Legend [6622]
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Root cause analysis
Sep 7, 2015, 2:52 AM
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Mike Williams is out because of the fans. The fans that tore down the goal posts years ago caused the university to install the retractable goal posts. The huge base of those goal posts is what caused Williams' injury.
That may be a stretch, but if we have regular goal posts, I do not think that injury would have occurred.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102373]
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It's not that big a deal to our W/L column.***
Sep 7, 2015, 2:55 AM
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Game Changer [1796]
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How insightful of U, a deep thinker no doubt ****
Sep 7, 2015, 8:54 AM
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102373]
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You sure analysed the helll out of me!
Sep 7, 2015, 11:07 AM
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Oculus Spirit [43141]
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Re: Root cause analysis
Sep 7, 2015, 3:38 AM
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If he wasn't pushed into the goal post at a funny angle he wouldn't have been hurt either.
You can could'a would'a should's the world; if you do, you'll live in a cold, dark, and boring place.
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Orange Blooded [2416]
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I dont think you can fault that kid from Wofford
Sep 7, 2015, 10:25 AM
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for trying to make a play on Williams.
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Orange Phenom [14602]
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Re: Root cause analysis
Sep 7, 2015, 5:01 AM
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If the university had not hired some old Anderson County officer too elderly for crowd control the tearing down the goal posts wouldn't have been a big deal, new collapsible ones wouldn't have been installed and Mike Williams wouldn't have been hurt. It's not a stretch to say this is the university's fault.
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Paw Master [16191]
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But see, the University had to hire the older guard
Sep 7, 2015, 2:45 PM
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for fear of violating the law and being charged with age discrimination. I blame the US government.
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Re: Root cause analysis
Sep 7, 2015, 5:40 AM
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I blame it on the IT department at CLEMSON. If they had a pair, then they would have hologram goal posts, and nobody would ever get hurt. Plus, they could move the goal posts slightly (or a lot) when opponents try to kick FG's. Sheesh - why can't people just do their freakin' job already?
I still think they need a way to fix our BBall goals to move slightly when opponents try to score. Where the heck is a good engineer when you need one? Do we need to look outside CLEMSON to get that accomplished? This should be an easy task. And where are those freakin' lasers to distract opponents when they shoot free throws? Sheesh - do I have to do everything?
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Re: Root cause analysis
Sep 7, 2015, 8:20 AM
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I think you skipped the parts where Mike Williams ran into the goal post because Mike Williams ran toward the goal post and then he was pushed into the goal post by the defender. Those are the root causes.
Field maintenance could make a larger base with more padding which would be good, but it would make a larger goal post to run into which would be bad. Somebody would complain. Regular goal posts would not completely prevent injury...and then somebody would complain.
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MVP [508]
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Re: Root cause analysis
Sep 7, 2015, 8:22 AM
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I hope that Mike recovers well without consequence for the long term. I wish him nothing but the best for his future in college and beyond.
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National Champion [7945]
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Re: Root cause analysis
Sep 7, 2015, 8:35 AM
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What we really need is breakaway goalposts similar to the breakaway baskets in basketball. I blame the mechanical engineers.
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110%er [3722]
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Blame it on Max Lennon
Sep 7, 2015, 10:07 AM
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That led to Danny Ford's firing,
that led to the Hatfield years,
that led to the West years,
that led to years of mediocraty,
that led to the hiring of Tommy Bowden,
that led to a victory
that led to students that tore down the goal post,
that led to the old man security guard getting in the way and getting hurt,
that led to the PC police scewering Clemson into installing the hydraulic goal post,
that had the bigger base,
that Mike hit...
so is it the security guard's fault or Max? 
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Game Changer [1640]
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Re: Blame it on Max Lennon
Sep 7, 2015, 10:11 AM
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my sarcasm meter just exploded. Face it in reality it was a freak accident. Period.
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Orange Blooded [2110]
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MVP [517]
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Max Lennon is responsible for most of the
Sep 7, 2015, 11:12 AM
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PC BS that has afflicted Clemson since 1989.
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Oculus Spirit [43141]
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Re: Root cause analysis
Sep 7, 2015, 10:14 AM
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Personally, I gotta blame the athletic department at Lake Marion High School. If the Gators had developed a better soccer program, Mike could have been a stellar goalie. He'd have been playing on Friday night and, given the Capons' inability to mount a scoring threat, would NEVER had been close to a goal post.
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110%er [3790]
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Re: Solution
Sep 7, 2015, 10:17 AM
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Eliminate all plays that involve a pass towards the back of the end zone 
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102373]
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Make the touchdown a two point score.
Sep 7, 2015, 11:15 AM
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Why screw around? If we want to save football we're going to have to take away the desire to score.
Make time of possession the winning number. A team's goal would be to just make ten yard gains in four plays. The closer to the goal line a team gets the sooner they would have to punt the ball in the other direction. The purpose, of course, would be to give their opponents a 'short field,' with which to work with. That would limit the offensive plays of the other team.
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Orange Blooded [4712]
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No turn-arounds.
Sep 7, 2015, 1:11 PM
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Each Time you get a first down within the 10 yard line, the next line to make is 1/2 the distance.
National Champions are the ones who can achieve 1st and goal from less than 10 Angstroms.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102373]
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I'm not sure we should go to professional rules yet.
Sep 7, 2015, 1:49 PM
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This system might evolve into something like that eventually but the chain would be so short the fans couldn't see it. Now, if you're thinking there wouldn't be any fans allowed because of the risk then all that might work.
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Orange Blooded [2196]
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But what do the 5 Whys conclude?
Sep 7, 2015, 1:27 PM
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Why? Mike was airborne, and he collided head/shoulder into the goalpost, which was in his path.
Why? Because he caught a ball nearby and was also shoved by the opposing DB, which increased the velocity of his collision.
Why? Because Mike catches everything and is great at getting a foot in-bounds, and the DB knew it and tried to ensure Mike was out-of-bounds.
Why? Because Mike is the superman of all Clemson WR super-heroes, and he can do amazing things.
Why? Because Mike was the best and wanted to come to the best, WRU, in order to continue to be the best.
...No? That isn't the right analysis?
Why? Mike was airborne, and he collided head/shoulder into the goalpost, which was in his path.
Why? Because he caught the ball in the direct vicinity of the goalpost, and he was too close to the goalpost to prevent collision.
Why? Because we have a goalpost to hold up the goal.
Why? Because we have to have something to kick PATs through when Mike Williams scores touchdowns.
Why? Because Mike is the best, scores tons of TDs, and wanted to come to the best, WRU.
...No again? Still not the right analysis?
Why? Mike was airborne, and he collided head/shoulder into the collapsible goalpost, which was in his path.
Why? Because Clemson opted for collapsible goalposts, which are not the smaller, round basic types.
Why? Because Clemson wanted to prevent injury to fans when they try to bring down a goalpost after a big win.
Why? Because Clemson fans used to do that occasionally when we began to emerge from the dark years of mediocrity.
Why? Because they were happy to see that Clemson was on its way to getting the best (when Mike was wee), being the best (WRU), and beating the best.
Looks like it's the same conclusion. He got hurt because he's a fantastic WR at WRU. That, of course, is not the reason, although he is at the top of the heap of WR greats at WRU, and he will be a part of the line of greats to play the position at Clemson.
Sorry for abusing the 5 Whys, but, truth is, this accident is maddening because of the freak nature of it. Maybe different goalposts would be better. Maybe had the DB not pushed him, he'd be ok (but the DB was doing what he was supposed to do). Maybe the OCs should never call a TD reception in that part of the endzone. Maybe, maybe, maybe. We certainly do want to execute any corrective actions that we can to avoid injury to players, however.
I am just so thankful that he will be ok, whether he's ok in a Clemson uniform or a pro uniform or the "uniform of choice" that will come with a Clemson degree.
There are many common and freak accidents in football. We cannot totally eliminate them all, unfortunately, but, yes, we should always attempt to reduce or minimize them.
Here's hoping and praying for Mike to have a complete and speedy recovery.
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Game Changer [1796]
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U missed the thread starter's point....
Sep 7, 2015, 2:15 PM
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I conclude. I could explain it to U; but I cannot understand it for U, therefore, I will not waste our time.
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Orange Blooded [2196]
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I don't think you read my entire post, nor the thread.
Sep 7, 2015, 2:47 PM
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I know exactly what the original poster meant, or should I say, "thought" might have helped prevent this injury from occurring.
No explanations required.
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