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Rock Defender [54]
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A trip down memory lane
Feb 6, 2021, 12:42 PM
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CU Medallion [55787]
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But did anyone DIE?
Feb 6, 2021, 12:48 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: But did anyone DIE?
Feb 6, 2021, 12:55 PM
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CU Medallion [55787]
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Did the then-POTUS encourage the violence?***
Feb 6, 2021, 1:14 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: Did the then-POTUS encourage the violence?***
Feb 6, 2021, 1:23 PM
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I think that's a change of subject; that discussion would be
Feb 6, 2021, 1:26 PM
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whether any president ever has. The OP's point, i think, is that whether something is a "mostly peaceful" protest or an "insurrection" seems to depend on what the media wants it to be.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: I think that's a change of subject; that discussion would be
Feb 6, 2021, 1:32 PM
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Re: I think that's a change of subject; that discussion would be
Feb 6, 2021, 2:51 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: I think that's a change of subject; that discussion would be
Feb 6, 2021, 2:56 PM
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All-In [49058]
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You notice how many of those protests featured...
Feb 8, 2021, 1:33 PM
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singing things like, we shall overcome, and also resulted in hundreds of arrests? It seems to me the only one that bears significant resemblance to the January 6 protests is the woman confronting Jeff Flake and I don't think there is any evidence she was directly encouraged to do anything. Then again, maybe she attended a rally 20 minutes before that where some democratic official was encouraging her to fight like hell because the only way to save America was to prevent Kavanaugh from joining the court.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: The only ones arguing that are Trump cultists.
Feb 6, 2021, 5:02 PM
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Burn.***
Feb 6, 2021, 5:39 PM
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People who raided the Capitol didn't get "canceled".
Feb 6, 2021, 1:37 PM
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They faced consequences.
We don't have "cancel culture." We have "consequence culture". Personal responsibility for one's illegal actions.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: People who raided the Capitol didn't get "canceled".
Feb 6, 2021, 1:46 PM
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That's their employers' right.
Feb 6, 2021, 1:52 PM
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If I stood to lose profits because I have an idiot coworker who can't find better things to do with their Wednesday (and not come to work?), I'm firing them too.
Showing up to an anti-democracy demonstration and being anywhere near that riot probably isn't a smart life decision.
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Re: That's their employers' right.
Feb 6, 2021, 1:58 PM
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It sounds like you have an issue with private employer
Feb 6, 2021, 2:05 PM
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Bank of America, and their right to employ or terminate as they see fit, based on politics or other criteria. Should BofA be forced by the government to retain employees that they find distasteful, or conflict with their values, or are potentially costing them customers and business? I dunno, but it sounds a bit counterintuitive to your small-government conservative tenets. Should a baker be forced to bake a cake for gay people if the baker doesn't approve of homosexuality?
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: It sounds like you have an issue with private employer
Feb 6, 2021, 2:10 PM
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OK. Pretty certain federal law enforcement agencies aren’t
Feb 6, 2021, 3:35 PM
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doxxing anyone who isn’t charged with a crime, but if they are, I’m fine with being corrected. Otherwise, this is a criminal investigation and banks (and most other private enterprises) have obligations to share customer data with law enforcement in many cases. I assume this is one of them.
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Re: That's their employers' right.
Feb 8, 2021, 1:41 PM
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So you agree that under the same logic, an employer could fire somebody for going to aBLM protest if I wanted to? Guilty by association?
I could fire you because of your political beliefs?
I’m sure you were also in support of the bakery that didn’t want to bake a cake for a gay couples wedding.
Also I’m sure you are against affirmative action as well?
I know you are just going today this is whataboutism because that’s what low intelligent hypocrites do. They can’t stand to be called out on their hypocrisy.
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Re: That's their employers' right.
Feb 8, 2021, 2:26 PM
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So you agree that under the same logic, an employer could fire somebody for going to aBLM protest if I wanted to? Guilty by association?
Yes.
I could fire you because of your political beliefs?
Could you? Yes. Would it be wrong and I could likely file suit against you? Possibly. Depends on the state. But we're talking about being present at violent demonstrations, not simple beliefs. Those folks likely also skipped work to go.
I’m sure you were also in support of the bakery that didn’t want to bake a cake for a gay couples wedding.
I wasn't a big fan of the government stepping in as I felt the free market could take care of it (and I believe it did).
Also I’m sure you are against affirmative action as well?
Nope. Not the same issue.
I know you are just going today this is whataboutism because that’s what low intelligent hypocrites do. They can’t stand to be called out on their hypocrisy.
Nope, I didn't think it was "whataboutism". Most of those were valid questions. And I am phenomenally--like Buccaneers facing off against a high school team--more intelligent than you.
We all good now?
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This is a slightly different subject, but the BOA thing is
Feb 6, 2021, 2:20 PM
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coming faster than some people realize. It hardly makes the news, because there is nothing really illegal about it, so there is a shrug and people move on. "They shouldn't have been there" seems to be justification.
But you don't have to take this too much further for there to be a soft but malevolent authoritarianism operating parallel to what we call a democracy. When police overreach, we call that authoritarian, and in one sense it is, but they are nevertheless accountable to people we elect and are subject themselves to authority; it can be addressed, and is. But when holders of power and influence conspire with the govt - or act without even needing the govt - to punish people for where they were and who they talked to, our most basic autonomy and individuality is being taken away.
References to "1984" are almost cliche' now, but isn't that alone scary? We're here, and more is coming. Many see a clash coming, but I don't think it will happen. The community I interact in at the deepest level, which is followers of Jesus, are beginning to take a passive resistance attitude, that fighting over human power is to fight in an arena that is barely relevant. The American ideal had a very specific place in the role of the Enlightenment vs tyranny, but we have reached a tipping point where those who prefer the rule of societal opinion are in the majority. That genie is not going back in the bottle, so the issue is not how to reshape this world, which is not ours anyway, but how to live here as citizens and representatives of the Home that is ours.
But it won't be pleasant. Choosing to think and act independently, not caring if - hypothetically - your bank knows where you are, will become increasingly difficult. In just one example, credit cards and cash will one day be replaced with implants - experiments are already underway - and when that happens your BOA example can be multiplied by 1000. An incident like that will be normal life. And the punishments will be severe.
So, the autocratic authoritarianism is coming, regardless of who is elected or what partisan ideology wins. The ideology of social tyranny is already winning. If you don't know where Home is, its going to get difficult.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: This is a slightly different subject, but the BOA thing is
Feb 6, 2021, 2:30 PM
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Sure. As a stand alone event, today, some people might have
Feb 6, 2021, 2:43 PM
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some recourse. As you point out, it's not a slam dunk, though some people will make noise. With little media coverage. It won't be "Democracy Under Attack" on CNN.
I would say, "However, this is the tip of the iceberg", except I think its further below the waterline than that already. But we still have 70% of it yet to see. Again, this is just one example, but when the Swedish experiment works out well, and they get the kinks worked out, and your bank says you need to come get your chip, what are we going to do? And it might not be the specific chip they are experimenting with now. But it will be something. And other things. Tough choices are coming.
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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That will make competition.
Feb 8, 2021, 3:54 PM
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Just as the swedes and BoA may be touting it for ease of use, a local credit union can sell their services on being easier, and not needing the intrusion.
Just like contracts with cell phone providers, you don't have to do that.
Climb down off the wall; there's need to jump yet.
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I've asked this multiple times.
Feb 8, 2021, 7:53 AM
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And since you've ignored it each time, I assume the answer is "no," but have you actually read 1984? Because every time you try to compare it to something in today's world, that comparison isn't valid. Like this one.
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Re: I've asked this multiple times.
Feb 8, 2021, 11:49 AM
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He hasn't read 1984. You know that, I know that. He's just quoting Tucker Carlson or some other Foxy talking head again.
And you know how Tucker and his ilk roll. They're anti-intellectuals. They love to thwart the lessons of history and literature by twisting into pretzels works like 1984 and Animal Farm and focusing their derpy audiences purely on the Perils of Socialism. Which is actually kind of ironic, because the larger theme of what Orwell was actually trying to warn people about was authoritarianism and the greater assault on truth itself by people exactly like Tucker Carlson himself.
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Re: I've asked this multiple times.
Feb 8, 2021, 2:18 PM
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Yeah, I've seen Tulsa multiple times try to compare private business actions to 1984 and it's like, yep, right there, likely hasn't read the book. Or grossly missed the point of it.
Are there things our government has done over the past several decades that eerily flirts with the novel? YES. I just have yet to see him provide an example that actually does.
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The difference to me would be if the Capitol was
Feb 6, 2021, 3:08 PM
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deemed closed on Jan 6 vs those other times. No idea if that’s true or not. But if the Capitol is closed and people literally break in anyways, then the Trump protestors should be prosecuted. And if those other protests occurred when the Capitol wasn’t off limits, then it would be different. Again, I don’t know if that’s the case, so if it’s not, then it is a bit of hypocrisy.
You do have the added dilemma on Jan 6 of police officers supposedly letting people in the building, so that makes it a little tricky how to categorize it as well.
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you are not sounding like a good little liberal leftist
Feb 6, 2021, 3:33 PM
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you need to get your talking points straight.
It was scary, it was an insurrection, it was a civil war, trump ordered the coup attempt. My God one guy had zip ties!!!
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Letterman [257]
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That would be because I’m not a liberal leftist.
Feb 6, 2021, 5:45 PM
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Independent here
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Rock Defender [54]
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Did the police know about the others ahead of time?
Feb 6, 2021, 5:43 PM
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It was known well ahead of time this group would be protesting at the capitol on Jan 6
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: Did the police know about the others ahead of time?
Feb 6, 2021, 5:47 PM
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Letterman [257]
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They probably could have figured it out for some of the
Feb 6, 2021, 6:34 PM
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others from Facebook or Twitter. So you can blame them some for that. But it was mentioned in the permit for Trump’s rally that people would be going to the Capitol afterwards. And it was going to be a huge crowd. I see that as different than some of the others you posted.
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It's an excellent post
Feb 8, 2021, 6:45 PM
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again showing the hypocrisy of the left. They literally do what they preach others should not do. Stupid, shameful, blah, blah, blah.
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