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Orange Blooded [2992]
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Why would UNC decline to play NIT?
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Mar 13, 2023, 2:15 AM
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Are they too embarrassed to play there which gives them extra coaching and play time for their young players?
I guess when this is the first time UNC missed the dance for 30-40yrs, i guess the NIT is a slap. The last time not in NCAAT was either 1985 or 1995, I forget actually, but it was a long time ago. But why not play NIT?
I think the conference should make schools play in tournaments and bowls as they are a source of income and exposure for the conference. If schools decline opportunities to make money then it costs all schools in the conference. I wouldn't let schools decline money opportunities if I managed the conference.
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Re: Why would UNC decline to play NIT?
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Mar 13, 2023, 3:47 AM
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I actually like it… you don’t go to UNC to play in the NIT… it’s not thinking “we are better than that” it’s more of work harder to attain the goal they expect there, which I like…
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Re: Why would UNC decline to play NIT?
Mar 13, 2023, 5:43 AM
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Bingo!
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Mar 13, 2023, 6:30 AM
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But it is arrogance. If they cared about working harder to just achieve their goal of the ncaa's then they would take the NIT bid, and use the extra practice time and games to improve their team for the future.
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Orange Phenom [14588]
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It wouldn't help them in any meaningful way***
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Clemson Sports Icon [55399]
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They are better than that.
Mar 13, 2023, 8:35 AM
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I wish Clemson was better than that.
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Re: Why would UNC decline to play NIT?
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Mar 13, 2023, 8:39 AM
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NC is the kid that takes his ball and goes home if he doesn’t get his way. Spin it however you want.
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Re: Why would UNC decline to play NIT?
Mar 13, 2023, 11:08 AM
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I actually like it… you don’t go to UNC to play in the NIT… it’s not thinking “we are better than that” it’s more of work harder to attain the goal they expect there, which I like…
Correct. Before “1 and done”, you use NIT for next season. UNC and others now always have annual roster and chemistry turnover. No incentive to play.
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Clemson Conqueror [11399]
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No, it's probably not "we are better than that". It's
Mar 14, 2023, 9:42 PM
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more like..."To hail with it, let's get this damm sorry season over with!"
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Oculus Spirit [40330]
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But when the reality is you are not good enough
Mar 15, 2023, 10:05 AM
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your argument of going there to play at a higher level is a 100% indictment of yourself. So maybe they should have announced they don't deserve to go to any tourney.
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They’re spoiled and taking their toys home. Whaaaaa!!***
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Orange Blooded [2504]
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Re: Why would UNC decline to play NIT?
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Mar 13, 2023, 5:22 AM
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Team chemistry issues. Call it a season and refresh.
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Paw Master [17831]
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Mar 13, 2023, 5:48 AM
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I think the ACC should fine UNC and split that money between the other schools.
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Oculus Spirit [44547]
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Re: Why would UNC decline to play NIT?
Mar 13, 2023, 6:12 AM
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I think the ACC should fine UNC and split that money between the other schools.
Not sure what real money is to be made playing in the NIT. You need eyeballs watching the games and if your team is not playing who really cares about watching. Maybe the home teams can make a little extra cash but eventually you will have travel expenses. Not a lot to gain but more practice imo.
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Clemson Sports Icon [55399]
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All that practice experience only benefits the schools
Mar 13, 2023, 8:38 AM
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Clemson players transfer to seeing the number of Clemson players that bail every year.
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Paw Warrior [4844]
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Mar 13, 2023, 6:24 AM
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Haha I don’t think any money is made. I am in full support of what UNC did. They don’t accept mediocrity.
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Re: Why would UNC decline to play NIT?
Mar 13, 2023, 10:53 AM
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They did this year...
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Re: Why would UNC decline to play NIT?
Mar 13, 2023, 5:52 AM
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I guess they had higher expectations or standards for BB. We hadn’t reached the NIT for several years .. so “we good”.
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Hall of Famer [8177]
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Because they are too good for the lowly NIT.
Mar 13, 2023, 6:40 AM
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At least I am sure that is the excuse. Their brand would suffer if they did not win the NIT tournament.
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Legend [6787]
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They don’t want to lose in the first round!***
Mar 13, 2023, 6:45 AM
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Legend [6782]
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Re: Why would UNC decline to play NIT?
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Mar 13, 2023, 6:52 AM
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They don’t have a goal to make the NCAA tournament. They have a goal to win the NCAA tournament. Their minimum expectation is to be in it to have a chance to win it. The NIT is a waste of time nowadays.
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Tiger Titan [50729]
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The NIT is a stronger tournament now than it has historically been.
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Mar 13, 2023, 8:45 AM
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Remember when a .500 record was all that was needed to get in? I do. Some fairly bad Clemson teams made it with records around .500.
This attitude that it’s some awful tournament and we should refuse it is crazy.
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Clemson Sports Icon [55399]
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I guess I have higher expectations for Clemson basketball.
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Mar 13, 2023, 8:51 AM
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The NIT in year 13 is a huge disappointment.
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Tiger Titan [50729]
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You’re completely missing the point.***
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Clemson Sports Icon [55399]
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I probably am. The only goal is to make the tourney
Mar 13, 2023, 10:59 AM
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and I'm pissed that Clemson didn't make it.
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Paw Master [17831]
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Re: I probably am. The only goal is to make the tourney
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IMO we we screwed once again by the NCAA. It doesn’t matter if it’s football, basketball, baseball, women’s sports those NC schools do not like it when Clemson is successful. The NCAA Tournament boneheads put in NC State a team we blasted 3 times. They even put UNC ahead of us in the 4 teams that almost made it. Another slap in the face from the teams that run the ACC. UNC , Duke and NC ST. Especially in basketball. Swofford sold Clemson out years ago. Sometimes I wonder if some of our AD’s let it happen. Mainly in basketball.
There are steps Clemson can take to improve. But we have been playing catch up with UNC , Duke and NC State since the ACC became a conference.
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Legend [6782]
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Re: The NIT is a stronger tournament now than it has historically been.
Mar 13, 2023, 2:44 PM
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I was speaking for UNC, multiple time national champion. I imagine Duke or Kansas would opt out as well. I do remember beating Kentucky in the NIT but I don’t know if they would want to be in it anymore.
I’m not sure, short of winning it, what our upside this year is. If we lose in the first or second rounds I think it diminishes the really good regular season we had. On the other hand we need to go deep against lesser teams to erase some of the nonsense we have seen vs those types this year.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [101358]
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They think they should be playing for titles and the nit
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Mar 13, 2023, 7:45 AM
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is not good enough for them.
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Paw Warrior [5056]
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Because playing for 69th place is not their goal
Mar 13, 2023, 8:21 AM
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It should not be ours either.
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Re: Because playing for 69th place is not their goal
Mar 13, 2023, 3:03 PM
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I don't think the NIT is the goal for anyone; everyone would like to be in the Big Dance. However, when life throws you lemons try and make some lemonade. I do think a post-season tournament, even if it isn't the NCAAT, is still good for our young guys to experience and I'd like to see them go as far as they can.
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Clemson Sports Icon [55399]
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Because the NIT is a joke. Clemson should have declined,
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Mar 13, 2023, 8:34 AM
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fired Brownell and began the coaching search.
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Orange Elite [5212]
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Because expectations are different.
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Mar 13, 2023, 8:36 AM
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I actually like that they turned it down.
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110%er [3723]
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They need to work on their schoolin...you know acedemics
Mar 13, 2023, 8:37 AM
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are important there
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I’ve got some bad news for ya
Mar 13, 2023, 8:40 AM
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since Covid schools all over the US have taken the UNCheat no-show approach. Their assignments consist of reading an article, making a comment on a discussion board and responding to one other classmates comment.
Oh and cost of admissions are at an all time high, for a glorified University of Phoenix degree.
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COVID***
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National Champion [7998]
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b/c they know they would lose and their fans couldn't stomac
Mar 13, 2023, 9:00 AM
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it. Hubey knows better. He'd be on hot seat going into next season.
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Dynasty Maker [3159]
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UNC played in NIT in 2003 & 2010…
Mar 13, 2023, 9:00 AM
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Missed both tourneys in 2002.
To me, it’s arrogance plus some real problems on their team which were alluded to during the season.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [101567]
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I've heard teams actually lose money when playing in the NIT
Mar 13, 2023, 9:05 AM
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not sure if true or not
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Re: I've heard teams actually lose money when playing in the NIT
Mar 13, 2023, 10:57 AM
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I could see that but they probably would have been a #1 seed and played all of their games at home until the Final Four. Their costs would not have been that much. However, the cost of losing in the NIT would have been much greater for them in the court of public opinion.
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Re: Why would UNC decline to play NIT?
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I'm all for what UNC did. The NIT is a joke. Not much different than a Duke's Mayo Bowl or a mid-December trip to Shreveport. We can talk about the chance to get players more playing time, but that's a crock. The NIT only solidifies the 69th-best team. That's it. It's completely and utterly meaningless.
If anything, let the NIT become a mid-major only tourney. For Power 5 schools, making the NIT is an embarrassment and just proof that you didn't meet your goals.
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Rival Killer [2903]
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Re: Why would UNC decline to play NIT?
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Mar 13, 2023, 9:30 AM
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Potato Bowl?
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Dynasty Maker [3407]
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Re: Why would UNC decline to play NIT?
Mar 13, 2023, 9:34 AM
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The NIT is for losers. Unless there is a good bit of money involved, I wouldn't want my team to play in it either.
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Athletic Dir [1132]
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Re: Why would UNC decline to play NIT?
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Name a winner of NIT in last 5 years without Google. You can’t because nobody cares about it. Going to the NIT is like a girl not getting asked to the prom and settles for a dinner invite with her grandparents at their retirement home.
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Paw Warrior [4991]
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Re: Why would UNC decline to play NIT?
Mar 13, 2023, 10:10 AM
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Lol. Pretty well true.
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Re: Name the last 5 NCAA winners without google….
Mar 13, 2023, 10:59 AM
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Sorry TigerB, you beat me to the punch...
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Re: Why would UNC decline to play NIT?
Mar 13, 2023, 10:59 AM
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If you asked people to go back and name the last 5 NCAAT winners, most couldn't do that either...
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Rival Killer [2939]
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Let me ask the question another way:
Mar 13, 2023, 10:12 AM
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How many of you are going to pay $15 a ticket to take your family to watch #1 Clemson vs. Morehead State? How many? Raise your hands.
Then how many of you will keep dropping $15 per seat for the games along the way?
Who will travel to Vegas to watch the last few games?
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Flip side question:
If Clemson had made the NCAA as a legitimate 64 and not 65-68, who would get a hotel room for the weekend and buy $50 tickets to see Clemson as a #11 seed play in Greensboro?
There's your answer.
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Re: Let me ask the question another way:
Mar 13, 2023, 11:02 AM
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What if it wasn't Greensboro but Denver instead?
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Arrogance! I dislike that school and fan base way more than I dislike S. Carolina. Some of my closest friends and family are S. Carolina fans or graduates. They are on my level and not arrogant. UNC fans are the worst of the worst at being condescending towards S. Carolinians in general and most anyone else not from UNC.
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Re: Why would UNC decline to play NIT?
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Well, I’m a UNC grad. I’ve lived in SC for the past 35 years after being born and raised in NC. I love the state of SC!! I have 2 brilliant , beautiful granddaughters who are Clemson students at present. I’ve used Clemson resources for many years to help my business. I have the highest respect for Clemson academically and athletically.
By the way, I was raised on a dairy farm in NC and not by some snobby family. I know UNC has its share of goobers but we’re not all that way. Lol.
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Re: Why would UNC decline to play NIT?
Mar 13, 2023, 10:52 AM
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Who wants to play for 69th place?
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Orange Blooded [2109]
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Like inconsequential bowl games, I see it as an
Mar 13, 2023, 12:06 PM
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opportunity to practice more and play against some moderate competition.
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People are looking at this completely wrong, IMHO...
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Mar 13, 2023, 12:23 PM
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I get the disappointment of not making the NCAA Tournament. I mean, we all joke that NIT stands for Not In the Tournament.
But it always has a decent field - one that is better than ever now. A lot of bubble teams that are pretty good (like us) and a lot of schools from small conferences that are also good, but didn't make it because their conferences will never get more than a single bid.
I'm disappointed we didn't make the Big Dance (and I sure didn't expect NCSU to be there), but we need to play in the NIT, build for the future. If we won the thing, it would be a great way to keep up the momentum for next season.
I would say the same thing for UNC. And as much as Hubert Davis seems to be a good guy and was a popular choice to be UNC head coach, I think the decision to not play reflects a major leadership failure from him.
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Re: People are looking at this completely wrong, IMHO...
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Stop the presses, you and I agree on something!! Lol. As a UNC alum I am very unhappy about declining the NIT. I understand the reasons but it’s very bad optics at minimum.
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Because
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They are arrogant wine and cheese turds
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Re: Because
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I’ve never been accused of being arrogant, I don’t drink wine, I don’t eat a lot of cheese, so I guess that just leaves turd.
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Paw Master [17831]
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Re: Why would UNC decline to play NIT?
Mar 13, 2023, 1:58 PM
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I am not sure when it changed but The NIT use to be the big tournament and the NCAA was what the NIT has become. Playing additional games and extra practice can only help the team get ready for next season.
The NIT is no more irrelevant than adding more teams to the CFP’s or pro sports leagues adding more wild card teams. The more teams you add the more you water down the competition. Personally I would like for things to go back when teams had to really earn their way into playoffs or tournaments.
I don’t know what the NIT pays out or how it pays out. If Clemson is in then as a diehard Clemson fan I am going to watch the games they are in and pull hard for the Tigers to win.
My opinion is still the same. UNC should have to pay a fine for costing the ACC much needed revenue.
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Not sure why you're missing this....
Mar 13, 2023, 2:57 PM
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NIT is bush league, consolation, for a program like Carolina. Do you really think penny-anny revenue from this tourney is a motivation factor for THE Uof NC, great history basketball program with many titles and huge revenue streams? There is NO exposure for UNC in this either, it's more of embarrassment exposure on TV. I admire them for doing the right thing and declining, their image is too big for this. Movie stars do the same thing, they don't take light roles that would detract from their brand.
In fact, Clemson should turn down the tourney too, but we are too small and pathetic a program to do such a thing, with so little history that matters. It would be a bold statement on our part to decline, but we've accepted mediocrity so we will play.
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Re: Not sure why you're missing this....
Mar 13, 2023, 3:12 PM
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It was alluded to that they may be having some challenges in the locker room and perhaps more going on than is being shared. I honestly think they didn't want to expose themselves to another loss unless they felt they were going to really give it 100%. This season was already embarrassing enough for them, particularly when you were a finalist the previous year and pre-season #1.
I would have respected them a lot more if they just came out and said something like, "this season was a challenge and quite disappointing on a number of fronts. Rather than take up an NIT invitation, we'd rather see it go to someone more deserving and motivated to put forth their best efforts. Our intent is to refocus and prepare for the season ahead and we wish the best of luck to the NIT and all of its participants."
UNC is basketball royalty and a program looked up to by nearly everyone. I think that mantle of leadership carries with it a little extra responsibility to lead by example.
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Re: Why would UNC decline to play NIT?
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Mar 14, 2023, 8:55 PM
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At some point in time you get "humbled". Don't ever be too arrogant to accept the fact you need to improve. NO ONE is "too good" to participate in anything.....think of those whom you may come in contact with that will be influenced by your availability. We are NEVER too good to give to others!
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Because they’re dics***
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Mar 14, 2023, 9:38 PM
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Best, most accurate answer in entire thread.***
Mar 14, 2023, 10:23 PM
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Hubris. They even got a coach named that.***
Mar 14, 2023, 9:54 PM
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Re: Hubris. They even got a coach named that.***
Mar 14, 2023, 10:20 PM
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The players decided. The same ones taking bad shots and not covering. Worst case Coach Davis should have at least accepted the NIT BID to play the bench some. They didn't get hosed by the COMMITTEE like Clemson did. Trimble and Nickel could really use minutes for development. But the game doesn't fit the old rules and character matters less every year.
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