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Valley Protector [1436]
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I’m trying not to get too miffed about the Walker White miss, but…
Feb 4, 2023, 12:06 PM
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For him to spend like 15 mins talking about how much his faith and team culture mattered and then pick a Hugh Freeze-led team is absurd. I haven’t been a Clemson jump to the SEC guy largely because I grew up in rural NC and have a lot of sentimentality for the ACC but if we are missing guys like that who at least seem tailor made for our program to an SEC team that will always and only ever be the Coots of Alabama I’m starting to think that we need to accept whatever short term pain comes with jumping to one of the “mega” conferences and not get left on the outside looking in on an ACC ship that just can’t compete in these new waters.
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Orange Elite [5212]
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That part was/is super frustrating.
Feb 4, 2023, 12:15 PM
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To talk about family and culture and to choose a Hugh Freeze program? I think that the kid is crazy.
As for the Clemson to SEC conversation. I’m not sure it applies necessarily to this specific reason but I’m all for us jumping to the SEC. I’m hoping Florida St leads that. I don’t think our administration is ready to go full steam ahead on the idea yet but it sure sounds like Florida St is and hopefully fingers crossed that will make us pull the trigger soon. I want to be in the SEC
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TigerNet Elite [77484]
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Who knows, maybe some of the Liberty culture rubbed off on him
Feb 4, 2023, 1:17 PM
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Oh, wait…
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Top TigerNet [29902]
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welcome aboard
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Feb 4, 2023, 12:16 PM
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acc lost many of us in the early 80s.
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Valley Protector [1436]
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Re: welcome aboard
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Feb 4, 2023, 12:28 PM
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Like I said, I have a lot of great memories of watching especially the ACC tournament when it was on RayCom and sponsored by Food Lion. In my little town the teachers would actually wheel TVs into classrooms so that we could watch the early games. I’m sad to see those sorts of rituals being eaten by corporations and sold to the highest bidder. But, if we are going to compete at a national level, something about our conference situation is going to have to change.
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Ring of Honor [23757]
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Raising my hand.
Feb 4, 2023, 1:40 PM
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Haven't cared for the ACC since then either. Amen!
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Ultimate Tiger [33379]
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Clemson football success is 100% IN SPITE of the
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Feb 4, 2023, 12:29 PM
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Tiger Titan [50728]
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You can argue that some of our success is BECAUSE OF the ACC.
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Feb 4, 2023, 12:32 PM
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We have the easiest path to the CFP of anyone, due to the ACC being a weak football conference.
By not having any other elite programs in our conference, it has made it much easier for us to rack up regular season wins against ACC foes who don’t have the football funding and history we have.
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Orange Blooded [2387]
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Re: You can argue that some of our success is BECAUSE OF the ACC.
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Feb 4, 2023, 12:47 PM
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Weak argument Judge. it sounds like it comes directly out of Columbia! If we only got there because of a "weak" conference, why are there 2 Natty trophies, and 2 runner ups in the case? Ask Alabama, and "the greatest team ever assembled" how weak those teams were!
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Varsity [104]
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Only if the person doing the asking gets to also
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Feb 4, 2023, 1:43 PM
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call and ask the folks at LSU. And UGA. And as of last November, UofSC.
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110%er [3666]
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Re: You can argue that some of our success is BECAUSE OF the ACC.
Feb 4, 2023, 1:44 PM
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Just because a Coot might make the same point doesn’t NECESSARILY make it incorrect.
JK specifically referenced the path to the playoff, not the path to hoisting the trophy.
Fact is, when SoKar left the ACC they didn’t weaken the conference as a football power but as a basketball power—even though they probably were no better than 5th in a very deep basketball league. The ACC’s various expansions have really strengthened the league as a football power considering how little success the original ACC programs have had on the national scale: Pitt and GT both have national championships in the distant modern era; VT had a brief splash in the sun; and Syracuse has success dating back to a previous McVay era; but only FSU has built a program prepared to contend and compete on the national level in the 21st century (this is not to ignore FSU’s struggles but to emphasize how useless even the conference’s “targeted” expansion has been.)
Without Clemson, the ACC football competition is less relevant than the PAC-12 by far. Therefore, if you consider Clemson’s conference schedule, you have to consider it to be weaker than a typical PAC-12 schedule. The lone exception from a skill and coaching standpoint is FSU, but it’s been years since they had the depth to compete with us. Scheme-wise, yes, there are excellent coaches and enough on-field talent in the ACC who can challenge our talent superiority for most of a 60-minute game, so the games appear to be competitive. But everybody in the ACC knows that if both teams run 85 plays in a game, Clemson will smash you.
The weakness of our ACC schedule is the reason Dabo insisted upon a tough non-conference opponent every season.
Perhaps you missed that.
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Varsity [104]
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Feb 4, 2023, 1:47 PM
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Florida Atlantic.
Brootal. Simply brooootal.
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110%er [3666]
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Feb 4, 2023, 5:55 PM
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Clemson has never failed to play 10 Power 5 teams during the regular season since Dabo became HC.
When was the last time SoKar did it? I grant you that it did happen at least once in the last decade. When was it, and who (besides Clemson) was your non-con opponent? Do you know? And do you realize that, even if you do know, it’s because it RARELY happens.
Additionally, even playing a “weak ACC” schedule, Clemson will be playing 9 opponents who went to bowls last year.
What about you guys?
Last year the SEC was “soooooo competitive” that 10 teams had 4+ conference losses. Pretty bad when you need those nonconference games to become bowl-eligible.
I guess you don’t want to add The Citadel to the schedule when bowl eligibility is on the line, amirite? Good thing this year it’s FURMAN. I think you have a nice rivalry going with them. (Well, it’s a rivalry by SoKaroliner’s definition.)
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Re: You can argue that some of our success is BECAUSE OF the ACC.
Feb 4, 2023, 5:42 PM
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UGa does have to go to TN.
They also have to stop Ole Miss.
Their only other SEC opponent to win 4(4!) SEC games last year is USC.
So unless SoKar, FL or Auburn plays out of their minds, even an underachieving UGa has about a 95% chance of returning to the SECCG, and ESPN therefore pumping them for the CFP as an at-large qualifier.
In UGa’s defense, the last two years UGa was willing to add the best national challengers to open the season, and there was no question who the better team was after those games.
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Orange Phenom [14640]
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No, we can't keep up monetarily. And it's not really about
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Feb 4, 2023, 12:29 PM
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"keeping up" it's that it's just not even close.
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Game Changer [1809]
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Re: I’m trying not to get too miffed about the Walker White miss, but…
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Feb 4, 2023, 12:52 PM
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I think he chose Auburn because he will not beat our Cade for sure and I think Vizzina has a much better upside. Name an Auburn QB that has been worth a crap since Nix left - avoid the competition and get playing time sooner.
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Re: I’m trying not to get too miffed about the Walker White miss, but…
Feb 4, 2023, 1:00 PM
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Yes. He said a lot, but he also indicated that he liked the attention that the coaches at both schools paid him. He wants to be the main guy. What he didn’t mention was playing time. We have two good qbs ahead of him and he would had to have waited. He knew that.
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Feb 4, 2023, 1:15 PM
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Yea, not sure why a top QB in his class would come here. In 24 we'll have a 5 star JR. and a 5 star SOPH. ahead of him when he gets here. 25 Class should be when we appeal to another hotshot.
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Orange Phenom [14602]
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He isn’t that impressive. Not sure why we were making
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such a big push for him and I’m not at all disappointed he went elsewhere. It would have been a wasted scholarship IMO.
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Varsity [104]
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Yes. Clemson should bolt for the SEC.
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Feb 4, 2023, 1:40 PM
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But either way I doubt Dabo/Clemson have the market cornered on "culture," even a "Christian" one. Particularly not in the SEC.
Message was edited by: Come_and_take_it®
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Asst Coach [853]
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Re: I’m trying not to get too miffed about the Walker White miss, but…
Feb 4, 2023, 1:46 PM
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The kid probably feels he has a much better shot at playing at Auburn then sitting behind Cade and others at CU.
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Legend [6832]
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Feb 4, 2023, 1:58 PM
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He could start at Auburn and probably never play at Clemson. Why would he come here?
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Feb 4, 2023, 7:40 PM
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With the transfer portal, high school recruits are less afraid of competition. Alabama has a commitment from the #2 QB with a 5 star and 4 star sophomore and two 4 star freshmen in the QB room. Say what you want about Hugh Freeze, the guy can coach offense. If Walker White had committed to Clemson, he would have been a great pickup. Since he committed elsewhere, he's only a bench warmer.
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