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TNET: Clemson drops in ESPN's future QB power rankings
Mar 22, 2023, 9:32 AM
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It really is/was hard to believe how bad DJ played
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Mar 22, 2023, 10:06 AM
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I thought he was going to be Clemson's first Heisman winner when he came in. Due to the fact that the national press had snubbed DW4 and Trevor, there was growing sentiment that they would have ended up taking a more serious look at the 3rd guy. It was set up perfectly for the next stat getter/possible championship QB at Clemson was going to get more press for the Heisman than in any time in our history. But wasn't meant to be. Had he had similar stats and similar success as those other two Qbs and the fact that he's from California, his national press would have been enormous.
Heisman obviously isn't the end all/be all but we have had deserving players in two straight cycles and didn't get the nod for bias reasons. DJ was billed to be able to run and throw at an elite level out of high school and looked exactly to be the case in how he played in that first game at Notre Dame. Just crazy that it wasn't even close.
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Re: It really is/was hard to believe how bad DJ played
Mar 22, 2023, 10:37 AM
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We'll never know how great DJ could have been here. To your point, we never really saw him hit his ceiling after that initial record-breaking game at Notre Dame. The whole team seemed to struggle since, too, not just DJ (even Ross was dropping balls in his chest instead of catching impossible passes on the edge like he did just two years before).
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Actually, no!
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Mar 22, 2023, 10:52 AM
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DJ threw for a lot of yards against Boston College and Notre Dame. But otherwise he looked really bad. There were two touchdowns on scoop and scores because he couldn’t make a simple handoff or pitch. Actually one of them he pitched the ball straight to the defender. He has no idea how to execute run plays. He’s overwhelmed by the moment. He’s actually incredibly slow with no agility. He can’t read the fences. His accuracy is lacking and that’s being kind. I’m not sure why you people were looking at. Yes he put up some big passing numbers. But everything else screamed This guy is not what we thought.
It’s also hilarious that ESPN wouldn’t have us in the top 10 if not top-five given 2 five star quarterbacks plus Riley.
But that’s OK. We always do best when people are underestimating us!
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Re: Actually, no!
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Mar 22, 2023, 11:02 AM
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I guess that's my point, though; we didn't help DJ get better & we can't say how much of that was on him; certainly perhaps a lot if not most of it, but I get the idea of having us in the top 20 rather than the top 5 for a futures run on QB's is all; we've often lost a QB to the portal after Spring, too, & that may be the case again this year but in all sincerity I still see Clemson as being an elite-level offense this year with this schedule, just not sure how else to put the program any higher in a futures-only poll for QB's specifically right now is all, know what I mean? Cade I think is great, but he kinda failed in half his games to-date in spite of how good he's going to be this year, & Riley's stats to-date are oddly not that dissimilar from Streeter's (kinda mind-blowing) & again, I'm just saying it makes more sense than them being anti-Clemson or something, especially after this past season.
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DW and TL were savants.
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Mar 22, 2023, 6:36 PM
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CK and CV have unlimited potential.
Riley is a proven QB developer.
DJ was a product of the talent and system he came from. And yes talented. But he came to Clemson bloated both physically and mentally. Unfortunately, he had to emerge from the shadow of TL in a program in a bit of decline burdened by unrealistic expectations (DJ and Clemson). Not to mention a program that was once stable but now in transition and bitten by the injury bug.
Honestly, his sophomore season, it’s a miracle we finished 10–3. That team and staff were a hot mess all year. Last year things were better, but not significantly. DJ was clearly not as advertised, overweight, injuries, egotistical, overconfident, couldn’t seem to adjust to the speed of the college game, but indeed, there were things out of his control. An inferior coaching staff. Not as much talent around him. Injuries injuries, injuries! A weak OL even by recent standards.
We all know the plethora of issues over the past two years. We will never know how much 2022 was DJ versus the other systemic issues. And the debate will last for decades regarding 2023. Why was Dabo so stubborn so loyal to the detriment of the team and program in deference to DJ? Cade never give an opportunity to win the job. Not even allowed to practice with the starters all season despite DJs issues nor to prepare him in case DJ got hurt. Two seasons that will always remain a mystery. Unfortunately, DJ was caught in the middle of that. It wasn’t all his fault, but he was also a big part of the problem.
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Re: DW and TL were savants.
Mar 22, 2023, 8:42 PM
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I'm not saying you're wrong, not at all, just that we'll never know what DJ could have been or why he never hit near his ceiling except for a huge game on the road vs. a playoff team & put up outrageous numbers in a record that will likely stand at Notre Dame for some time. Justyn Ross, too, was never really elite after then.
I guess my point was as good as Cade or Chris may be (& likely will be), right now Cade is 2-2 in college football & Chris is untested outright; putting us in the top-20 feels like a blessing, rather than anything other top-5 being an insult or hate against us I guess is all I meant, you know? I've heard an awful lot of people upset about this futures ranking today & I think people let stuff stir them up sometimes more than they should, especially here. Yeah, Riley's stats to-date aren't great by comparison, but stats don't tell the whole story & I'm optimistic he'll essentially embarrass this year's schedule.
In all sincerity, I think we're likely undefeated going into the playoff this year, just not sure that's relevant to a futures ranking at a position group we've admittedly struggled with the last few seasons.
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Re: DW and TL were savants.
Mar 24, 2023, 3:35 PM
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DJ was not egotistical and over confident by any means. In fact, he was the complete opposite of those things.
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Re: Actually, no!
Mar 22, 2023, 6:49 PM
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This is actually the first thing I’ve ever agreed with you saying. Thanks for that.
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Re: It really is/was hard to believe how bad DJ played
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Mar 22, 2023, 11:36 AM
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IMO, the Heisman isn't that important anymore bc of the way the voters have lessen it by voting for the popular players over players that were actually a John Heisman like/type of player. A Heisman player is a player that a team has no chance of winning without that one do everything type player, and that's not the type of player the voters have been awarding the Heisman Trophy!!!
CJ Spiller was a no doubt Heisman player if there ever was one, and he barely got an invite to the Heisman presentation show to sit and watch the Heisman trophy to be handed to a player that wasn't even near the all around FB player that CJ Spiller actually was!!!
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For the Heist to remain relevant
Mar 22, 2023, 6:42 PM
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It needs to evolve with the times.
It was for decades a regular season award, because there were no conference championship games, no playoffs, simply a regular season and then the bowl games. But today we have conference championship games and the playoffs. Thus pitting the best teams against each other.
The Heisman is being awarded before the best games are even played. We have a real champion now. We have the best teams playing each other at the end of the season. The award should reflect that.
They need to change how the voting is done. The ballots should not go out until the day after the national championship game.
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Good points re: competition
Mar 22, 2023, 8:44 PM
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Good point.
To that end, a Heisman is simply out of the question this year; we just don't have the competition to make enough big games in time outright.
I only mention it because it seems to upset so many people so often, & I wish we could avoid that just as often since we know the reasons why & the awards are largely incidental to making the playoff by nature.
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Uh, no.
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Mar 22, 2023, 12:57 PM
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In 2020, DJs stats were excellent.
DJ 2020: 78 of 117 (67%) for 914 yards, 5 TDs and 0 INTs. Rating 146.4
Compare that to,
DJ 2022: 229 of 369 (62%) for 2,521 yards, 22 TDs and 7 INTs. Rating 135.3.
The DJ of 2020 is not comparable to the DJ or 2022 and certainly not 2021.
Following 2020, Clemson Nation was right to feel like we had the answer at QB.
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totally missing your point.
Mar 22, 2023, 4:26 PM
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your basically kinda saying what I said. Were you responding to me or someone else?
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Fascinating, really
Mar 22, 2023, 8:53 PM
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I don't know why but I love stats like this.
Yeah, they don't tell the whole story, & likewise with Riley & his stats being so eerily similar to Streeter's, but that's what makes them fascinating; it's like it challenges us to know better than the numbers alone, so to speak.
You could say Cade is 2-2 in college, for example, but I've still got my money on him being 14-2 to-date come December.
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Re: TNET: Clemson drops in ESPN's future QB power rankings
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Mar 22, 2023, 10:30 AM
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Based on how well ESPN does with its predictions, I'll take that as a vote of confidence. Go Cade (or Chris or Hunter or Paul or whoever can get the job done)!
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Re: TNET: Clemson drops in ESPN's future QB power rankings
Mar 22, 2023, 11:01 AM
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19 other teams have a better QB situation? That's hilarious. GA doesn't even know what they have yet and they are 4th. Anything outside the top 10 is comical. Cade & Vizzy is exactly what we need and want. GO TIGERS!!!
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If our season had ended after the UNC game, we’d be higher
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Mar 22, 2023, 11:32 AM
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The recency bias of the Orange Bowl creates the current point of view by these folks.
One or two good performances by Cade to start 2023 and they’ll flip-flop again.
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Re: If our season had ended after the UNC game, we’d be higher
Mar 22, 2023, 12:14 PM
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I still say Cade's numbers in the orange bowl were not horrible. The 2 ints were late when desperation set in. Everyone wants to talk about 2 ints when they should be talking about Potter's worst day ever.
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I agree, all-in-all. His pocket presence was a bit iffy.
Mar 22, 2023, 12:40 PM
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And yes, we missed out on several FGs that might have helped us stay in the game mentally.
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Do these people not realize they're just pouring gas on the fire???
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Mar 22, 2023, 11:46 AM
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Gonna be a lot of butthurt media people come the fall.
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Arent media people always butt hurt
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Mar 22, 2023, 3:42 PM
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I mean one way or another they are usually wrong, like the weatherman. And they curse players "he hasnt missed a kick all year...well look at that!" They all guess.
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Re: TNET: Clemson drops in ESPN's future QB power rankings
Mar 22, 2023, 4:00 PM
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Whenever TheySuck gets lucky and has a stat that's better than what Clemson has done, ESECPN writer's are chomping at their bit/keyboard to be the first one to take a stab at Clemson with something that doesn't mean Jackshit to Clemson or our FB team a season after that stat was recorded.
That is a good reason why most Tiger fan don't care about much of ESECPN or their SEC ghey conference that they pour millions into just to have a couple teams after Bama that's at or close to the top of the rankings. Screwum and the sec wagon they ride on!!!!
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Re: TNET: Clemson drops in ESPN's future QB power rankings
Mar 22, 2023, 8:50 PM
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I'm a little confused why so many are so angry about this futures ranking. Could you help elaborate?
To me, we have a true sophomore starting QB who is 2-2 in total games to-date and a backup 4-star QB who has yet to be seen, plus we have a track record of losing 5-star QB's to the portal in the spring & the second OC in 3 years only this time he's never even been to a Clemson game.
I'm excited about Riley, & Cade will likely help Clemson embarrass this schedule, but the more I think about it if anyone else had this position but ranked in the top-20 I think we'd suggest ESPN was being generous, no?
I guess that's my whole thing; it's a futures ranking is all, rather than a legitimate analysis or anything I would get angry about & let ruin my afternoon even a little bit, know what I mean? I'm thankful for that ESPN money, make no mistake, but 20 just doesn't seem unfair to me for the specific type of ranking this is, & certainly one we may yet be able to improve on for 2024 & the season-opener with UGA.
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Cade is 2-2? 1-1, isn't he?***
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Mar 23, 2023, 9:17 PM
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Re: Cade is 2-2? 1-1, isn't he?***
Mar 24, 2023, 5:38 AM
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Actually, 0-1 as a starter. He didn't start the ACC Championship game as great as he was in that game.
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In games-played vs. games started
Mar 24, 2023, 12:30 PM
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2-2 in total games played in to-date, but 1-1 as a starter would perhaps reinforce my point about the favorable rating for this futures list.
Love Cade & can't wait to see what Riley can do with this team.
With two QB's & 2 total games as a starter between them both, I think that makes the top-20 ranking make more sense I guess is all, rather than something worth getting upset about. So many of us get so upset at so much stuff so often & this one just isn't it, know what I mean?
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Where was TCU ranked in the QB power rankings
Mar 22, 2023, 6:46 PM
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at this time last year?
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Is this the same media
Mar 22, 2023, 7:58 PM
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That rates Jordan at FSU over Maye at UNC?? It’s laughable honestly. UGA doesn’t have a QB that hasn’t or barely played a snap at the college level.
Frankly, it’s WR, OL that I’m much more concerned about than QB for us.
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All we need, to know how suspect those rankings are, is Usuc
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Mar 22, 2023, 8:38 PM
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being ranked 18th, ahead of Clemson and UNC. Does Usuc even have a backup to the inconsistent Rattler?
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Seems illogical. Klubnik/Riley > DJ/Streeter?***
Mar 24, 2023, 7:44 AM
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