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Cata and Jimmy
Aug 28, 2024, 3:43 PM
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What do you attribute to the rise in autism? Now approximately 1:35 kids.
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Increased ability to recognize and diagnose the disease.***
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So a school district that 15 years ago had
Aug 28, 2024, 3:50 PM
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1 class and consolidated the kids….to now, 2 classrooms in each school is due to “recognition”. ?
You for real on this?
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Are you saying that an increased ability to recognize and diagnose the disease
Aug 28, 2024, 3:52 PM
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would not lead to an increase in the number of kids diagnosed?
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I dont believe that is the reason.
Aug 28, 2024, 3:54 PM
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The non-verbal, unable to control movement, head banging and the rest….they didn’t exists at the rate they do today. Anecdotally just looking at the schools will tell you that.
Thanks for answering.
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Why not?
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Aug 28, 2024, 3:58 PM
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Are you confident that these people did not exist? Or is it possible these kids/individuals were kept out of the public because of both shame/embarrassment, and because previously resources did not exist to help them in public schools.
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Maybe 1965. But not in 2009***
Aug 28, 2024, 4:04 PM
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My scenario is much more likely in the last 15 years than an environmental
Aug 28, 2024, 4:07 PM
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Re: Are you saying that an increased ability to recognize and diagnose the disease
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Aug 28, 2024, 6:27 PM
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I remember some time back, a family member, an old timer telling me “back in the day your child would have gotten it beaten out of him.”
Old timers attributed autism, adhd and other behavioral issues to the child needing ### beatings.
Autism is better diagnosed now than it was just a few years ago.
Just as other issues are better diagnosed now. Some people can’t understand that.
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Yeah, what would you know?***
Aug 29, 2024, 7:00 AM
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Re: Increased ability to recognize and diagnose the disease.***
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Aug 28, 2024, 6:53 PM
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1 in 35 kids is a little crazy. Being able to recognize and diagnose certainly attributed to the increase in autism rates. That being said, I don’t know of any other disability that affects so many children.
I certainly think our diet is not good and the amount of harmful ingredients in most foods is unhealthy. Along with air quality, microplastics, too much fluoride in water and staring at screens all day, we have plenty of negative factors affecting our health. Wether those contribute to a rise in autism, I don’t know.
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Re: Increased ability to recognize and diagnose the disease.***
Aug 28, 2024, 6:54 PM
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contributed not attributed *
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This and...
Aug 29, 2024, 7:33 AM
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There could be a connection with our food.
I tell you what it's proven not to be. Vaccines.
EDIT: Also, do you know why he singled just us two out in this thread? I thought maybe he was gonna make fun of more disabled kids.
Message was edited by: Catahoula®
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Re: This and...
Aug 29, 2024, 7:38 AM
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Yeah I haven’t seen anything that proves a correlation between vaccines and autism rates.
I do think vaccines can be harmful. Especially if given too young. Both of my children are vaxxed. We don’t do the flu or Covid shots though.
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Re: Beta
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Aug 28, 2024, 3:49 PM
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We were promised a break from your musings. Manac of your word I presume?
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He answered like a normal human so I responded***
Aug 28, 2024, 3:52 PM
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Re: He answered like a normal human so I responded***
Aug 28, 2024, 5:35 PM
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I was not talking about your responses to Jimmy, my reply was to the OP as the time stamps on the posts indicate. As usual, you Trumpers totally miss the point. So lets review, late last week you submit an OP talking about Gus being a beta and your "theories" about autism. Your OP was roundly denounced by many at that time as being clueless and in poor taste(which it totally was). You then wait a few days and post an OP that says "Calling the kid beta was wrong" in which you kinda apologize and then state "I will be taking a break. You all are going insane" which reinforced the "kinda apology" while also still blaming the parents for autistic children(totally ridiculous). Now you return a few days later with this gem of an OP. Hence my question as a "normal human" .... WTFugg? You have taken a beating on this issue and yet you come back for more even when you said "I will be taking a break". Are you a non-autistic man of your word .... or not? Simple!
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More autistic parents crossing the southern border
Aug 28, 2024, 3:53 PM
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= more autistic babbies
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More evidence you guys are simply parody accounts***
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Aug 28, 2024, 4:15 PM
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At some point with MAGA you have to turn off your brain and just start
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Aug 28, 2024, 4:21 PM
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flinging poo.
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Their minds either only work in the memes of their grievances or...
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Aug 28, 2024, 4:36 PM
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they have to be purposefully parodying the absurdity of MAGA for personal jollies.
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It's the covid vaccines!!!!!
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Aug 28, 2024, 4:10 PM
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Honestly, humans have spent the better part of a century cheating mother nature, and honestly winning, for the most part.
Very few people realize that the reason humans lived (on AVERAGE) like 28-30 years forever, until the past century, has very little to do with keeping people alive longer, but mostly from preventing kids from dying. All of medical science has contributed to adults living perhaps 10 years longer, into old age. The big boost in average life expectancy is children NOT DYING, and this is directly due to vaccines stopping polio, mumps, rubella, measles, smallpox, tetanus, and many other childhood killers.
500 years ago, or 250 years ago, if you made it to your 20th birthday, your odds of living to 60yo is similar to today. BUT, your odds were literally 50/50 of making it to 20yo. This is why people had 6, 8, 10+ kids. They expected half to die before adulthood. Today no one expects children to die. We think they're the healthier than adults, and that's just not the case historically. And this is why they are targeted for vaccines, because keeping them alive has the greatest impact on life expectancy.
Over time, generations, 50-100 years, this leads to an older and older overall population, as the need to have kids shrinks, and people live longer and most make it to adulthood. And we're at that point where population will decline in the future as the older people die off, and very few adults are having children on the same scale as in the past, as odds are now far greater they will reach adulthood themselves.
Autism is just an outgrowth of this. We have thrown a stick in the spokes of the wheels of natural selection for a very long time now. It's likely a once rare condition that has become more pronounced as kids with it were probably selected in the past to die with it more frequently, before vaccines and modern healthcare. Some disease likely selected for autistic children in the past. Could have been measles, mumps, smallpox, no one knows because those diseases don't exist in any real numbers today. And like was said earlier, we may have just gotten better at detecting and diagnosing it.
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I think a lot of what you have said is very true
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Aug 28, 2024, 5:26 PM
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That said, I think that diagnosing and awareness of the issue has dramatically increased. We have more data now, and ability to share it. We dont have files in a cabiet we have online health records that can be accessed by providers, teachers, and parents, etc. My mother was a teacher in one of those BHE/D classrooms in the 90s, 2000s, and later. And the class size was about 10~15 for a middle school of about 800-900 kids. Unfortunately, a lot of these kids that were in those classes came from low income situations where their families could not provide a better solution for them. It was what was available to mostly low income parents that battled these challenges. Also, the kids assigned to that class had a lot of the physical indicators that were more easily diagnosed/ spotted.
I am currently trying to help my son who is learning to work with his mental health challenge. I have spent 4 hours just this week talking to insurance providers and care teams to help make sure the resources are in place to help him. My wife has spent another 6~8 hours just this week working with his care team at school and professional healthcare providers. This did not exist when my mother started her teaching career. It did get more involved during later part of her 30 years in the school system. I think this is a good thing because there are a lot of kids that fall on the spectrum, and their struggles are not so easily recognized. But the more data is collected, the easier it is to spot and to start trying to get involved and help. But if I had to guess, if my son went to middle school in the early 90s, he would have suffered through in school suspension before being expelled. He would not have been placed in my mothers class. He scored to high on all of the tests (95% ). No physical visible genetic traits. He does not present those things. But there are physical movements, tendencies and traits that once you know what to look for, you start to really see. But to continue on with the example of if my son was raised 30 years ago, I likely would have intervened right before explosion and found an alternate home school option. There would have been even more frustration inside the family because of the lack of info regarding "why cant my kid get it". I dont understand what we are doing wrong/ etc. But my family would have tried to handle it internally as best we could because we would have the financial resource to do it (no need for mom to work). Thats not as easy today.
So with more knowledge of the topic, a increase in pressure from parents to keep their kids in the school system for financial reasons, the number of kids has gone up. I think the kids have always been there. It just comes down to we know more now than we did back then. I think we also as a society tolerate it more now than we did back then. Speaking of those mortality rates, I cant imagine how many kids who suffered from a minor mental issue were beaten to death by their parents for discipline issues. A best seller book, I think it was little house on the parie, there was a chapter in that story that told about a neighbor's kids that was just out right defiant. The father in the book alluded that if he was my kid, I would wear his but out to get him in line. I wonder how many of those kids were just struggling with the fact that they dont have the same brain filters that 90% of us have. They dont mean to be rude. Its just the way their brain is wired to communicate.
Anyway, I just wanted to contribute to the conversation. I know I have a lot to learn. I am hopeful that others that read take a second to take in some info. It may help you have some understanding if you are on the outside looking in at a situation that involves mental health issues.
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1 in 145 in sub-saharan Africa. 1 in 36 in the US.
Aug 29, 2024, 11:24 AM
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Of course life expectancy in Africa is below 60yo. And that's mostly, again, from children dying at far higher numbers.
It's a double edged sword really.
Then there's always our diet. Which sux in the US versus other countries. But anything that impacts Nabisco, Kraft, ConAgra, Monsanto, etc. will be ignored.
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So what's your theory?
Aug 28, 2024, 4:50 PM
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The way people parent? Vaccines?
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Probably. It's a strange marriage
Aug 29, 2024, 7:42 AM
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Anti-vaxxers used to be made up of granola left wing hippies out in California and the conservative community pushed back hard against them. Now that RFK Jr. has spouted of his stupid #### and somehow "conservatives" think he's one of them, and after the Covid vaccine, now we have right wing idiots joining up with left wing idiots to help kill kids.
Yep. I said it. Anyone who pushes the anti-vaxxer theory is a contributor to children's deaths.
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Re: Cata and Jimmy
Aug 28, 2024, 5:41 PM
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There’s growing suspicion of a link between screen time and increased cases of autism. Think about how many parents plop their kids in front of a tv or game screen to entertain themselves while mama checks out. I think there’s a link.
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If I had this opinion.
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Aug 28, 2024, 5:47 PM
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I'd keep it to myself.
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Re: If I had this opinion.
Aug 28, 2024, 6:36 PM
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Jimmy please tell JAMA to keep the same opinion to themselves. I’m sure they need to hear from you.
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The data isn't there to reach that conclusion
Aug 28, 2024, 7:03 PM
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BUT it looks like it's been considered enough to study so I'll offer up a mea culpa.
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Re: The data isn't there to reach that conclusion
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Aug 29, 2024, 9:32 AM
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That’s fair. Thank you.
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Re: Cata and Jimmy
Aug 28, 2024, 5:50 PM
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WOW, you do realize that most are diagnosed way before they get any "screen time so moma can check out". This is totally bat shid at this point!
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Re: Cata and Jimmy
Aug 28, 2024, 6:21 PM
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Maybe both of you should do a little research. It’s a possible contributing factor
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possibly you can point us in the proper direction Professor, not seeing anything
Aug 28, 2024, 6:23 PM
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no published, peer-reviewed studies, just you.
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Re: Cata and Jimmy
Aug 28, 2024, 6:23 PM
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Cell phone usage has been debunked, tardawg. I’d assume tv time would be as well.
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Re: Cata and Jimmy
Aug 28, 2024, 6:25 PM
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Show me the studies. Maybe you’re right but I know it was a strong theory by many professionals.
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I think the burdon of proof on on you here pal.***
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Aug 28, 2024, 6:27 PM
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Re: I think the burdon of proof on on you here pal.***
Aug 28, 2024, 6:30 PM
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Just a very quick search and I found a publication in JAMA from 2022. The conclusion was an increase in ASD in boys age 3 after high screen time exposure in the first year. Just do a little research. Why is this so controversial?
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Usually how this works
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Aug 28, 2024, 6:39 PM
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is you provide a link to a legit study, we read it, and then debate the merits. So far you have only convinced me that you pulled this out of your rear, and are trying desperately to back out without conceding defeat.
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Re: Usually how this works
Aug 28, 2024, 6:41 PM
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Actually it’s so legit in medical research that I intend to let all you doctors on here catch up on your on. Research it. I dare you.
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Re: Usually how this works
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Actually, there has been studies on it but now most lean towards autistic kids use smartphones excessively to make up for their deficit in social communication. In other words, the screen time isn’t causing the autism.
And having an autistic son who was diagnosed LONG before he ever had cell phone or tablet access, this is what I believe. He is now hooked on his cell phone but it’s how he communicates more effectively.
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Re: Usually how this works
Aug 28, 2024, 6:50 PM
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I absolutely understand how autistic kids can prefer screen time. That makes sense. But it does not debunk the possibility of increased screen in the very young as a contributor to autism on the spectrum. This idea is not just my opinion!
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Re: I think the burdon of proof on on you here pal.***
Aug 28, 2024, 7:04 PM
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“however, the observational nature and publication bias of the included studies render these findings inconclusive.”
From the Jama article you quoted.
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Re: I think the burdon of proof on on you here pal.***
Aug 28, 2024, 7:40 PM
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Understood but it’s a long way from pulling a theory out of my butt as some here have suggested. I don’t think I’ve said it’s THE cause. It’s being considered as a contributor. It’s not out of the question and many professionals believe that to be true.
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Re: I think the burdon of proof on on you here pal.***
Aug 28, 2024, 8:35 PM
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I’ve been respectful towards you, I know you didn’t pull it out your butt. lol
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Re: I think the burdon of proof on on you here pal.***
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I agree. I was not referring to you with that comment. There were others dismissing it as a crack pot comment when it’s a very real suspicion with many professionals.
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I am no expert but I can understand why some draw a conclusion. If you watched my son and how he interacts with you when he is on a device, we have seen outburst that would make crack addict going through a withdraw seem tame. Some kids with other forms of Autism no issue.
What is interesting though is that for some kids, say with the hyper focus type ADHD challenge, screen information is just firing at a faster rate which is calming for them from a sensory point of view. My son struggles with this. transitioning Especially from screens is hard. But it’s also the interface that causes him the most enjoyment. It’s like us watching our favorite team about to win a championship. 5 seconds to go and the wife turns the tv off, and you don’t have playback. $&#%{. We learn how to mature to where we don’t kill each other. That filter is just not there for some kids. And rage is going to always be the outcome.
It’s been one of the harder things we work with my son in. we put limits on screen time to help him and trying to teach him how to manage. He might be one of the few kids that does not have a cell phone at school.
I think screen time in regards to social media is more concerning in regards to depression and possible bullying. This has been hard for me to take in. I never experienced a lot of bullying growing up. my daughter sees it a lot. And she is a social butterfly. But girls can be down right mean and cruel to each other. Boys can to, but girls take it to another level.
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What extensive research have YOU done on it?
Aug 29, 2024, 7:47 AM
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I love when people say "I've done my research!" which usually means they watched some jack ### on YouTube.
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Re: Cata and Jimmy
Aug 28, 2024, 6:37 PM
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As for you Alum that’s just not true
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Eh, no
Aug 29, 2024, 7:44 AM
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Autism has existed well before screen time. But what you cite definitely isn't healthy, and I think you can make a good case for the increase in attention disorders as a result.
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Re: Eh, no
Aug 29, 2024, 8:39 AM
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Of course autism has existed before screen time. But the full spectrum of ASD is not understood. Researchers are looking at possible contributing factors in the rise of cases. Screen time in early development has been considered as a possible contributor. No one is saying it is THE cause. It’s not a crack pot theory. I am absolutely amazed at how some on this board have reacted to a theory that the medical community has researched and considered.
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You've been challenged to show where you got this from...
Aug 29, 2024, 10:20 AM
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And you just keep yelling, "Do your research! I have! Google it!"
How about you inform us?
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Re: You've been challenged to show where you got this from...
Aug 29, 2024, 10:28 AM
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Apparently you’re just lazy. I want you to just check the info available on the internet. There’s plenty. Just go look. Then you will see there is plenty of suspicion in the medical community in looking at this being a possible contributor. Just friggin look.
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You're mistaking burden of proof for laziness, and probably intentionally so
Aug 29, 2024, 10:36 AM
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Because you know we're making a big ask to prove your point.
This is really simple logic, and you know it is. When you make a claim and someone challenges it, the burden of proof is on YOU to answer the challenge.
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Re: You're mistaking burden of proof for laziness, and probably intentionally so
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Just please go look. The info is vast and much more than I could ever post to satisfy. If you think I’m wrong go look and if you find nothing come back and tell me so. There’s no burden of proof here. This is not our of mainstream theory. You people are impossible.
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Re: You've been challenged to show where you got this from...
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Let me help you. Google “can increased screen time contribute to autism”. I can post an article or 2 but if you Google it yourself you can explore the vast amount of research and opinions on it. Just do it.
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Re: Cata and Jimmy
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What in the last 50 years has changed that would have dramatically increased the diagnosis in the 1970s, and a continually increasing trend?
Yes, diagnosis has improved, genetics plays a role but what about the parents that have an autistic child with no genetic markers? I don't believe it's vaccines and it's not alcohol.
Something is causing the autistic rate to increase over 5000% since the 1970s:
0.5/1000 in 1970s
1/1000 in 1980s
1.9/1000 in 1999
7.4/1000 in 2008
14.7/1000 in 2017
22.7/1000 in 2021
27.8/1000 in 2023
Being the grandfather of a functioning autistic grandson, currently in college, I still have a lot of questions and have my suspicions but will reserve my opinion until more studies are done.
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Re: Cata and Jimmy
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This would Back-up Jimmy's assertion that we are getting better, or lowering standards as mentioned by another for a positive diagnosis, among many other things. If it were something environmental, I would not expect a slow climb, but a spike. And you could say that was between '99 and 2008 something happened?. Not saying there isn't a correlation, but we did not start watching TV in the 2000's. And this does not refute or prove anything.
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In fact, I have a new theory
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The Maccarana song caused Autism, it correlates with your data. it got stuck inside people's heads and caused this awful affliction. Until Tardawg can provide a study telling us this is not the case, then it is true.
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Re: In fact, I have a new theory
Aug 28, 2024, 7:04 PM
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Google. I dare you. Then come back and tell us you apologize.
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Re: I dare you to watch this and not catch Autism
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It may not cause autism but it’ll get stuck in the head for days. Thanks a lot 🤔
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How do you know for sure?
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Google , then come back and apologize.. Pass this on to ten friends for good luck!!
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Nah nah nah, don't do that ####
Aug 29, 2024, 7:45 AM
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If you make a claim, YOU are responsible for proving it when challenged. This is simple logic taught in schools. You know this.
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Re: In fact, I have a new theory
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I don't buy that screen time causes autism either. I believe it can possibly trigger symptoms similar to autism that can be corrected and/or possibly be a catalyst to accelerate symptoms for a child already with autism, but not cause it. I ain't buying the Maccarena either.
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Couldnt tell you the cause, but all I know is that
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convicted felon Donald Trump is the solution.
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Awesome work everyone, top 5 worst threads of all time
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The depth and volume of the ignorance here is frankly jaw-dropping.
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You're really that shocked with this place?
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A place where someone once said Tom Hanks was executed on an aircraft carrier and replaced with a body double?
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Thank goodness we have the Circle Society to keep it real here.***
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FAKE FACE!!!1!***
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So Jimmy basically covered it...
Aug 29, 2024, 7:40 AM
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We likely haven't seen that much of an increase but have gotten better at diagnosing. Imagine how our society treated most autism cases in the 1950s or how they were dismissed. The medical community continues to improve and diagnose cases.
But if you want me to just make an unfounded guess, I would say taking a hard look at the food we ingest today could be a factor.
Please tell me you're not a "vaccines cause autism" person, although that would be on-brand.
I mean, Jesus, people, the guy who first came up with that intentionally fabricated his study in 1998. It was quickly debunked. Idiot celebrities like Jenny McCarthy helped keep the myth alive in the 2000s, and then she would later come back and say her kid wasn't actually autistic.
It's not a shocker given how poorly many people's critical thinking skills are. They think their kid develops autism after their shots, but they fail to realize that this is the age autism is usually diagnosed.
It would be like doing a shot of whiskey cures the common cold just because your symptoms just happened to go away the next day.
That's not how things work, and it's a shame our doctors and medical community have to battle such foolishness.
Vaccines do not cause autism. Period. And not one of you--not a single one of you--can provide a medical expert or scientist who can refute that. You'll instead find some idiot soccer mom with a blog who pretends she knows #### she doesn't.
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Re: So Jimmy basically covered it...
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Doctors aren't that good to increase diagnosis 1000% in 50 years. Show me the link that says Doctors diagnosis has identified plus 1000% dianosis since the 1970s and I'll admit I'm wrong. While your at it, tell us why the U.S. rate of autism is double the U.K., Canada and Australia since the 1970s?
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You're begging the question.
Aug 29, 2024, 10:10 AM
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"Doctors aren't that good to increase diagnosis 1000% in 50 years" is not a statement that can or should be taken as a given.
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Re: So Jimmy basically covered it...
Aug 29, 2024, 10:19 AM
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Doctors aren't that good to increase diagnosis 1000% in 50 years.
How the #### would you know that? Throw in scientists in labs assisting them as well.
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I change my mind. It's chemtrails.***
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Not gonna lie. Even for this place I was startled at the number of posters who
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well ackshully'd. I thought chemtrails were scraping the bottom of the cognitive barrel. Like of course NJDEV is going to be one of them, but he's apparently got plenty of company.
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I assure you, they didn't believe in chemtrails until (insert politician) did
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They just wait for their favorite whackadoodle to tell them what to think.
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Re: This thread now makes more sense.
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The terminally online far right have completely lost their ####### minds, they live in an alternate reality
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Re: This thread now makes more sense.
Aug 29, 2024, 12:05 PM
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This is not a left vs right issue. Not everything has to be political.
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Oculus Spirit [39801]
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Im afraid anti-establishment sentiment resides among one particular persuasion
Aug 29, 2024, 12:06 PM
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These days
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