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Pundits laud Mykel Williams. Is he better than T.J. Parker?
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Aug 27, 2024, 11:43 AM
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Mykel Williams (yr. 2)
13 games.
10 starts.
16 total tackles.
9 solo tackles.
4.5 sacks.
6.5 tackles for loss.
T.J. Parker (yr. 1)
13 games.
3 starts.
33 total tackles. (ClemsonTigers.com says 41)
17 solo.
5.5 sacks.
12.5 tackles for loss.
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Re: Pundits laud Mykel Williams. Is he better than T.J. Parker?
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Aug 27, 2024, 11:56 AM
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Apples to Oranges honestly. Parker is more of a true DE where Mykel is more of a OLB/DE hybrid. Different players in different systems who are being asked to do different things on a play to play basis. Mykel is typically an upright guy who will rush and also drop into zone and when he is down it's in a 3 man front not a 4 man, parker is typically down every play.
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Not really. Still 1 of 11 and part of the front 7.
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Aug 27, 2024, 12:00 PM
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Each with 2 passes defended. Production is the point.
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Re: Not really. Still 1 of 11 and part of the front 7.
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Aug 27, 2024, 12:11 PM
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Numbers don't paint the whole picture with defensive players, they arent wide receivers. Trevon Walker had half the production Hutchinson had but scouts liked Walker better in the draft and he went #1 overall. It's about playing the role set for you in a system.
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Re: Not really. Still 1 of 11 and part of the front 7.
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Aug 27, 2024, 12:13 PM
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Agree. Also, who were the opponents? An SEC team or an ACC team?
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All of those teams were playing catch up with everyone knowing they were
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Aug 27, 2024, 12:20 PM
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throwing the football.
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So, rushing the passer, making tackles and defending passes are NOT what
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Aug 27, 2024, 12:14 PM
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they want from him?
Good to know.
This from Kirby Smart yesterday contradicts you guys.
“I don’t know where that’s coming from. He’s not really at a new position. All the things he did last year, he’s done this year. He worked last year at outside linebacker in individual period and he worked with the defensive line. Those two are like a mirror. They almost share the same responsibilities. So he’s done the same thing this year that he did last year. I think that’s more of a souped up answer that he’s playing a different position. He’s not really playing a different position. He’s got the versatility to be able to go out and be an outside linebacker because he’s a really good athlete. He can cover and play people, but one of his best, most rewarding qualities is his rush, and we want him to be able to rush.”
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Re: So, rushing the passer, making tackles and defending passes are NOT what
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Aug 27, 2024, 1:39 PM
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Panic is right, it's apples to oranges. First off, despite the same number of games, TJ played probably 75-100 more snaps than Mykel did last year. UGA led the country in 3rd down conversions allowed, and 3rd down % allowed. Clemson probably gave up 25-30% more 3rd down conversions than UGA. And UGA subs a LOT on the DL. Also as Panic mentioned, the two play different schemes. Mykel plays mostly 2-gap, and has more edge responsibility than TJ, who plays mostly 1-gap.
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Re: Not really. Still 1 of 11 and part of the front 7.
Aug 27, 2024, 2:07 PM
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How did that decision work out the Jags? Not well. Hutchinson is the better player, more productive in college and more productive as a pro. At the end of the day, production matters. I don't understand some NFL teams that think they have the magic key that will unlock production especially when playing against better competition.
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Re: Not really. Still 1 of 11 and part of the front 7.
Aug 27, 2024, 5:45 PM
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Pretty well I would say, they’ve gone from 22nd to 9th in rush defense in the 2 years since the drafted Walker.
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Re: Pundits laud Mykel Williams. Is he better than T.J. Parker?
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Aug 27, 2024, 12:07 PM
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Myles Murphy was surprisingly good his freshman year and ended up a first round draft pick last year. While I didn't think he played with the same tenacity his Jr year, he was still good. I thought there would be long time before we saw a true freshman as good as MM but TJ is better and I think he has a bigger upside. If TJ stays healthy, he could be one of our all time greats at Clemson.
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Re: Pundits laud Mykel Williams. Is he better than T.J. Parker?
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Aug 27, 2024, 12:20 PM
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Myles Murphy was not good his jr year. I don’t see Parker falling off. Different attitudes.
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Re: Pundits laud Mykel Williams. Is he better than T.J. Parker?
Aug 27, 2024, 2:54 PM
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true. Murphy took a lot of plays off.
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Why did you even ask if you already had your own answer already determined
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Aug 27, 2024, 1:00 PM
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Seems silly.
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I have my opinion. As you can see from the responses, not everyone is
Aug 27, 2024, 2:16 PM
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of the same opinion for the reasons they mention. Plus, I doubt many fans were aware of the statistical similarity given the hype surrounding both players.
It's a discussion board, silly.
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Re: Pundits laud Mykel Williams. Is he better than T.J. Parker?
Aug 27, 2024, 3:57 PM
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Wut?
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Re: Pundits laud Mykel Williams. Is he better than T.J. Parker?
Aug 27, 2024, 4:13 PM
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SEC bias. I think the pundits believe the competition might be better in the SEC---which may have something to do with it. On the other hand, I think Parker has more game impact than Williams---teams have to play around Parker. Just my own $0.02 worth
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