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Shame on anybody still embracing the idea that Trump won
Jan 7, 2022, 9:36 AM
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the election. I saw on NBC this morning that some outrageous percentage of republicans still think that. I find it hard to believe, as I know tons of hard core Trump fans, but could count on one hand the ones that still cling to that. Either way, you'd have to be a nut; stop it already. You are not helping.
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Not only are people in this country batshit crazy, they are
Jan 7, 2022, 9:39 AM
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also really, really stupid.
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There is quite a bit we will never know since many state
Jan 7, 2022, 9:41 AM
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courts threw out challenges to the election based on procedural issues, not on merit, so cases were never tried.
I have no idea which way that would have gone, but the cases should have been heard so a definite answer could have been reached.
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We know Trump lost. That's it. It's not disputable.***
Jan 7, 2022, 9:45 AM
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Re: There is quite a bit we will never know since many state
Jan 7, 2022, 9:51 AM
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If you can't even get basic procedures right then how do we expect them to present the evidence of fraud accurately?
I mean these weren't ticky tacky procedures that a lot of the cases were thrown out on but major major errors.
Also the audits being conducted and reconducted and reconducted continue to show no fraud and in fact have helped Biden more than Trump.
Listen, our electoral voting process is extremely secure and transparent. Is there some fraud? Yes absolutely. On both sides. But the question is is it enough to systemically change an election? The answer is no.
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Re: There is quite a bit we will never know since many state
Jan 7, 2022, 10:04 AM
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Agreed and one has to remember that it is really overseen at the LOCAL level. Can you imagine what it would really take to get to a "rigged" election. Also, there is only a very tiny percentage of this population that would be willing to commit a FELONY and sit their butts in jail over a fricking politician.
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Doesn't have to be true. Just has to be repeated***
Jan 7, 2022, 10:53 AM
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wilbur, that's partly true but
Jan 7, 2022, 12:40 PM
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also false in an important way.
The true part is that some cases were thrown out on procedural issues.
But those cases were improperly brought in those courts, and/or lacked proper evidentiary requirements. The lawyers running the Stop the Steal campaign never did things the right way--and intentionally so, we can easily suspect, because they were lawyers who knew how to do things the right way.
We can pick a case at random (if we wanted to spend the time) and see why we DO know that the lawsuits were frivolous. In fact, one or more of the lawyers are facing potential (or actual, by now?) sanctions for having brought frivolous cases. And then you have things like the voting machine company, what was its name again? It ended up suing the Stop the Steal gang for defamation because of the knowingly false assertions about rigged machines.
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Not to mention Lin Wood and the other girl
Jan 7, 2022, 12:47 PM
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have both stated in court testimony that their election fraud claims should not be taken seriously
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Yes, that's how they're trying to get out of trouble now***
Jan 7, 2022, 12:49 PM
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Re: Shame on anybody still embracing the idea that Trump won
Jan 7, 2022, 9:46 AM
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I agree with you, but my experience is I know way more than a handful and the scary thing is that these are college educated, very intelligent people some of which have been my friends since high school. It has caused great strain on our relationships and we have agreed that we just won't discuss Trump or Covid, etc. etc. any more and act like the world is still normal. Btw, I can't decide if this is healthy or not but my wife demands it so we don't lose all our friends.
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Re: Shame on anybody still embracing the idea that Trump won
Jan 7, 2022, 9:52 AM
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Btw, same with ALL my in-laws also, the anti-vaxx faction of which would not even attend Christmas dinner with the majority vaxxed.
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It's more than just people being stupid. It shows how even
Jan 7, 2022, 9:53 AM
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very smart people will believe crazy stuff if it reinforces their preexisting beliefs in the face of conflicting evidence. It's ego and emotion overruling intelligence.
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Re: It's more than just people being stupid. It shows how even
Jan 7, 2022, 9:59 AM
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Agreed, some of the in-laws are literally salivating over 2024 and the triumph of their lord and savior over the "commies". If you only knew how hard I have to bite my tongue.
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Re: Shame on anybody still embracing the idea that Trump won
Jan 7, 2022, 9:59 AM
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Oh NBC told ya that A LOT of republicans still believe that.
NBC also told ya that IDs to vote is racist
NBC also told ya that white supremacy is the biggest threat to America
NBC also told ya that everyone at the Capitol was an insurrectionist (yet no one was charged with it)
NBC also told ya that Jimmy Fallon should have his own show.
What NBC is telling you, doesn't mean very much.
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Maybe, but it's beside the point. If you still believe Trump
Jan 7, 2022, 10:07 AM
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won, you're a nut. Stop. I am by no means endorsing NBC as an accurate purveyor of journalistic integrity. I'm just pointing out the lunacy of those clinging to a scary, crazy lie.
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Re: Maybe, but it's beside the point. If you still believe Trump
Jan 7, 2022, 10:11 AM
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I think about as many people believe that as believe in spaghetti gods, flat earth and any other non-sense. I do also believe that it is part of the "agenda" to make it seem more widespread as fear is the easiest path to some sort of legislation.
"hey those nutjob Trump insurrectionists are going to assault every polling location, therefore, we must pass a federal voting act that allows 100% online voting with no racist ID controls"
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Could be; like I said, I know very few of those people.***
Jan 7, 2022, 10:13 AM
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Re: Maybe, but it's beside the point. If you still believe Trump
Jan 7, 2022, 10:20 AM
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So your saying that my experience as an engineer and rons1 experience as a doctor is not indicative of the level of the problem out there. The reason I add our occupations above is that we should be able to ascertain and relate the intelligence level of our families and friends. Anyway, it's crazy right now, never seen anything like it.
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Re: Maybe, but it's beside the point. If you still believe Trump
Jan 7, 2022, 12:44 PM
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I think about as many people believe that as believe in spaghetti gods, flat earth and any other non-sense.
How did you determine that the numbers were similar? You don't trust NBC, so presumably you have a better source that you're using. You wouldn't just make it up.
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Re: Shame on anybody still embracing the idea that Trump won
Jan 7, 2022, 10:03 AM
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It is bizarre what is going out there. My wife has a graduate degree. She still says the election was stolen. When I ask what is she basing that on, she can't answer the question.
My brother in law(wife's sister's hubby) is a CPA, he is normally very mild mannered. He got fairly agitated with me when I said the rioters at the Capitol along with all the hoodlums who were looting summer 2020 should have been harshly put down. He really got upset when I said the election was not stolen. He tried to lecture me on analytics, statistics, etc. He never could answer me when I said AZ and GA in particular were not in any way tilting the table against Trump. He finally left the room and things smoothed out later.
I did indeed agree with him that some of the actions such as the PA Supreme Court basically making election law and some of the attempts to promote ballot harvesting, mailing ballots out to those not requesting them and making Voter ID seem as heinous as segregation will do nothing to enhance election integrity and will further erode confidence in the results going forward.
Neither my wife or my brother in law are stupid people. They are actually highly intelligent, but they have been duped. I absolutely thought Trump had skewered himself after the election with his actions and inactions. Yet, because Paw Paw and Giggles are so incompetent, Trump may run and may win. Any other Pub runs away with it in 2024. Trump probably loses again and has it "stolen" again.
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Re: Shame on anybody still embracing the idea that Trump won
Jan 7, 2022, 10:48 AM
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My real concern isn't that he lost the last election...but that he might actually win the next one.
It's how Hitler came into power...after failing in his first coup attempt in 1923 and doing a stretch in the big house. He got straight-up elected the next time, won with about 30% of the vote - there were multiple candidates - and the weak and ineffective then-President Hindenberg caved and appointed him Chancellor.
It was off to the races, then. The Nazi Regime rolled. We let Trump back, it's going to happen to us.
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Re: Shame on anybody still embracing the idea that Trump won
Jan 7, 2022, 10:51 AM
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lol, Trump Nazis. Propaganda much? Lower taxes, state's rights, strong borders all Nazi policy?
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All y'all crack me up
Jan 7, 2022, 11:12 AM
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Presidents don't win elections. They're selected.
Trump "lost" in 2020 just like Trump "won" in 2016. Right?
Just like Biden "won" the primary in 2020.
Just like Hillary "won" the primary in 2016.
Just like Romney "won" the primary in 2012.
Just like Bush "won" in 2000.
The money in this country picks who they want to sit in the oval office, and the institutions they control do their damndest to get that person in. Anyone that poses a challenge to the status quo and comes out in any way, shape, or form in favor of working class citizens is pushed aside, and sat right the #### back in their place.
Weren't we just having this conversation about 2.5 - 3 years ago? Just flip the colors around...we'll probably be having it November, then again in about 2.5 - 3 years.
It's kind of comical watching the different colored ants sitting on their high horse, laughing at the other colored ants ##### and moan when in fact, they were doing the exact same thing just a few years ago.
I guess I'm not sure why or how you're surprised. Maybe I'm too young to understand...
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I could tell Trump was toast when Biden's rallys
Jan 7, 2022, 11:34 AM
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had 10s of people in attendance.
The real question is the Dem primaries ... Bernie was rolling, and suddenly, like the flick of a switch, Brandon was their guy ... their old White guy. That was sketchy as sh ...
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Re: I could tell Trump was toast when Biden's rallys
Jan 7, 2022, 11:40 AM
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Huh?
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Re: I could tell Trump was toast when Biden's rallys
Jan 7, 2022, 11:41 AM
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That is actually called the "Jim Clyburn effect."
Bernie was rolling, with Mayor Pete right on his heels. And then we got to South Carolina and discovered black people weren't Commies and they didn't like Mayor Pete much either.
At that point Joe rolled.
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Why wouldn't black folk like Mayor Pete?***
Jan 7, 2022, 12:47 PM
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Black people do not take well to homsexuals***
Jan 7, 2022, 12:47 PM
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Really?***
Jan 7, 2022, 1:00 PM
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Re: Really?***
Jan 7, 2022, 3:02 PM
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Generally speaking some feel insulated from political correctness. Whether right or wrong, I argue neither way.
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Re: Shame on anybody still embracing the idea that Trump won
Jan 7, 2022, 12:58 PM
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If true about the % of pubs that believe it, then it's equally amazing how many democrats still give the POTUS a high approval rating. The pools show almost every democrat in the base, around 40% of voters, believe Biden is doing a fine job.
Gawd!
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Re: Shame on anybody still embracing the idea that Trump won
Jan 7, 2022, 1:11 PM
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Well, by that same logic we can say the same about the fanatical Trump base. That is why us folk in or near the center usually determine who the "winner" is, even though ultimately we all lose with the choice between dumb and dumber.
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At this point, what difference does it make?
Jan 7, 2022, 3:16 PM
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I’m not sure I understand how believing an election was rigged hurts anyone. There are plenty of folks that believe the 2020 election was rigged and that certainly doesn’t hurt me.
I don’t discuss this or try to convince anyone of this, BUT if I had a gun to my head and had to guess who got more legitimate votes I would guess Trump. Can’t prove it in court- but there were a ton of anomalies that happened to be swing states and all happened to go blue and I frankly don’t believe Joe and Kamala are capable of getting more votes than any other candidate in history and further more- more black votes than Obama in either of his victories. Maybe they did- I don’t know. Joe is our president now- period.
Not sure how this opinion hurts anyone. Maybe NBC is just good at getting people triggered about tribalism political issues.
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If you don't care whether or not our president was elected
Jan 7, 2022, 6:29 PM
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legally and fairly, or if the truth doesn't matter, then you're right, it makes no difference.
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Re: If you don't care whether or not our president was elected
Jan 7, 2022, 10:19 PM
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I care. HTH.
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