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TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
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That's good and all...
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May 6, 2025, 9:31 AM
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But they need to join the conference...
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Re: That's good and all...
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May 6, 2025, 9:34 AM
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It'll never happen. This is all part of the viewer ratings and payouts per team. I loathe Notre Dame but this is a good thing for the Clemson bank account.
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Re: That's good and all...
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May 6, 2025, 10:08 AM
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It's a very good deal for both FB programs!!!
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Re: That's good and all...
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May 6, 2025, 9:38 AM
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Give that up. Not happening unless they get completely excluded from the playoff due to not being in a conference. If that happens it won’t be the ACC…
Love them or hate them, for us this can only help. Gives us a pretty much guaranteed high rating game every year against a national brand. Helps recruiting. Helps revenue.
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Re: That's good and all...
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May 6, 2025, 9:49 AM
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As long as the B1G, and brands like Clemson keep getting on their knees and servicing them they will never join a conference. Cut them off from being able to schedule big games. Did we not learn anything from Swoffie's stupid move in 2020?
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Re: That's good and all...
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May 6, 2025, 10:00 AM
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Our fans probably don’t want to hear this, but we need them right now as much as they need us. Our ACC SOS sucks. Now that the $EC and BIG are trying to get rid of the auto top 4 to conference champs, we win the conference and we get what, a 12 seed? We have to do something to boost our SOS until we get out of the ACC. Who knows when that will happen.
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Re: That's good and all...
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May 6, 2025, 10:14 AM
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we did learn. We got a commish even worse than Swoff
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Re: That's good and all...
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May 6, 2025, 10:54 AM
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As long as the B1G, and brands like Clemson keep getting on their knees and servicing them they will never join a conference. Cut them off from being able to schedule big games. Did we not learn anything from Swoffie's stupid move in 2020?
Clemson and every ACC school gets an extra $3M per year based on ND being a partial member. ND can’t be forced to join (full) and we need the money so your stupid move greatly benefits Clemson
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Look, we are in the lowly ACC we need this to protect our brand***
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May 6, 2025, 11:45 AM
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Re: That's good and all...
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That ship has sailed if it was ever actually in play at all. The ACC missed an opportunity to possibly strong arm ND into joining when Covid came around. All in the rear view....cfb is in a totally different universe now.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
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May 6, 2025, 9:35 AM
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We are never getting out of the ACC are we? You don’t need to play them every year if you are in a power 2 conference. Better enjoy this year.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
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May 6, 2025, 9:41 AM
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Do you schedule ND long term knowing the SEC, the Big10, or a FB league is the next step? Seems like Big10 or FB league makes the length of the agreement more logical than adding ND plus a 9 game SEC schedule, right?
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This is exactly what Im afraid of
May 6, 2025, 12:51 PM
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If I interpreted your post correctly. I’m afraid Neff is doing this to pacify the fan base in the event we don’t ever leave the ACC. Really hope that is not the case! I can see him sitting back now, knowing the ND series is a definite. However, that means we wasted all of that money on the lawsuit.
Lots still to unfold… I just want out of the ACC, at all cost
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
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May 6, 2025, 9:44 AM
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Yes but in The SEC they may be locking a non-con game with the Big Ten. 8 or 9 SEC opponents, Big Ten, Plus ND would make our schedule unbearable.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
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May 6, 2025, 9:41 AM
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What happens if Clemson leaves for another conference after 2030? God I hope this doesn't mean we stuck now in this h#ll conference. What happens to the four future games with UGA and the two against OU?
This is nothing but giving ND what they want. A conference championship game equivalent without playing one. Stupid,Stupid,Stupid!
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
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May 6, 2025, 9:51 AM
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I am admittedly out of the loop lately, but this was the first thing that popped into my mind too. ND gets to have their cake and eat it too, which disgusts me, and Clemson is stuck in a mid major conference.
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Is this the right board to say I hate Notre Dame?
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May 6, 2025, 9:57 AM
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Just checking.
I hate Notre Dame.
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Re: Is this the right board to say I hate Notre Dame?
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May 6, 2025, 10:01 AM
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Makes me sick Neff thinks we have to tie ourselves to them.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
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May 6, 2025, 10:05 AM
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Yes this is a great move for ND, but is great for us too. High profile game that helps our SOS, revenue, & recruiting.
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Viewership = Money in the ACC
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May 6, 2025, 10:06 AM
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It helps us, so I'm for it.
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Re: Viewership = Money in the ACC
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May 6, 2025, 10:11 AM
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Are you sure non-con ratings count for ACC revenue sharing? ND home games are on NBC.
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Yes, explicitly
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May 6, 2025, 11:26 AM
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Remember, crucially, the schools that draw more viewers will benefit more from the ACC's apportioned revenue, 60% of the ACC's TV earnings outright.
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Clemson v Notre Dame Rivalry !!!
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May 6, 2025, 10:10 AM
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that's Blue Blood . this is great
now ink the Clemson v Georgia rivalry
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
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May 6, 2025, 10:10 AM
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Financially, it's a good deal for Clemson--I get it. But I hate that the ACC is being taken for a ride by ND. I'll never forgive Swofford for signing that bone-headed agreement.
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May 6, 2025, 11:18 AM
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I hear you, albeit I'd hate to think if ND hadn't signed with the ACC but chose the B1G instead.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
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May 6, 2025, 10:13 AM
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That is awesome. Two great teams, schools and fan bases going at it every year is a fun situation for everyone.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
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May 6, 2025, 10:14 AM
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Bad move. Unneeded in playoff world now. Will not help recruiting. Should have beea Texas school. But maybe we’re in Big 10 by 2031 anyway!😆
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
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If we drop UGA and OU for this and stay in the ACC until 2036, I'm DONE. Our football schedule is so boring as it is. Period!
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
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May 6, 2025, 10:24 AM
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Doubt very seriously we would drop OU & UGA. This protects us somewhat in case they drop us due to changes in SEC.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
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May 6, 2025, 10:36 AM
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Since we are in the heart of the South, I'd rather be playing southern schools than Yankee ones. Is it not enough we have to play Syracuse, BC and Pitt on a regular basis? Rivalries would be so much better in the SEC. No contest.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
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May 6, 2025, 10:57 AM
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This is objectively a positive development for Clemson - a win for financials, recruiting, visibility, etc.
Some folks will whine even about good news. Does it mean we are in a P2 conference? No, but we weren’t yesterday either and it certainly doesn’t hurt to keep Clemson as strong as possible until that time comes to pass.
For me the interesting thing is this is aggressively hostile to the ACC and the rest of the member institutions. Now ND only has 3 slots annually to rotate among the other 15 institutions that aren’t named Clemson or Stanford. If they do that “fairly”, the other schools will get the benefit of the ND boost to the TV revenue in the formula once every 5 years , and only once a decade for a home game. Of course, nothing is done fairly so I’m sure FSU and Miami will be in line next to ask to play ND more often. Perhaps Wake can look to play ND once a century by the time it all shakes out.
It’s not fair and not very collegial, but good job by Neff here looking out for Clemson’s best interests. The weaker schools look out for their best interests by holding Clemson and FSU hostage, so we truly owe them no loyalty at this point.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
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Agree on the collegial part. It kinda of reminds you of a Texas move in how they used to treat the Big 12. We are going to do this and you are going to like it. However Clemson has been carrying the ACC last 10 years.
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My kneejerk reaction.
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May 6, 2025, 11:15 AM
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Both teams have the option to cancel, with no penalty, the contract if ACC leaves the ACC or if ND joins a conference.
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Rivalry?
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Is it just me or does it seem like we have more "rivals" than any other program ever?
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Re: Rivalry?
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UGA probably has more rivals than anyone.
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Re: Rivalry?
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Really? Who besides GT and UF?…I agree they’d like to think they have “all” rivalries…but history doesn’t equate to rivzkry in my opinion…
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UGA has multi rivals too. Its a good thing***
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
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May 6, 2025, 11:23 AM
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That's great to hear! Hope I am still
here in 2038.
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So who do we drop in 2029?????
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May 6, 2025, 11:27 AM
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We have 5 non-conference games scheduled that year.
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Re: So who do we drop in 2029?????
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Assuming the SEC 9 game schedule doesn’t happen and cause Georgia (and also LSU and OU in the other years) to back out of our agreements, it would have to be either the G5 or the FCS team that gets cut. So in 2029, either ECU or our oldest ever rival, Furman.
Since G5 games count toward bowl eligibility, FCS games could be in jeopardy but I would hate to see that because I know our in state FCS schools depend on the games with both us and the coots for their budgets. Plus with Furman, while I know it’s never competitive and quite frankly boring, they are a part of our history. Now for the coots of course, we know very well that Furman and the Citadel can beat them.
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Preemptive move in the event the SEC and Big10 move to 9 conf games
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May 6, 2025, 11:38 AM
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the SEC non conference games will be gone outside of SC - we needed a high profile game.
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Re: Preemptive move in the event the SEC and Big10 move to 9 conf games
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The Big has been playing 9 conf. games for years now. I think you meant a SEC-BIG non con agreement.
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no - meant if both of them move to 9 conf games and lock down their game
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inventory even further - they will control their money and the sport even more and our opportunity to play the SEC schools outside of SC will be done
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Someone is going to get dropped
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I don't see GT getting dropped - then it comes down to us and OSU - going to a lot of scheduling changes.
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WOW! A huge win/win/win!
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May 6, 2025, 11:44 AM
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The fans win. ND wins. And Clemson wins. I’m ecstatic about it myself!
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Re: WOW! A huge win/win/win!
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Not this fan. I find them as boring of an opponent as much of the ACC.
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Well the college football media and $$ disagrees with you***
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As a Clemson fan who lives in Georgia I get what you mean
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I would rather see them playing southern schools but I'm afraid those games are being locked out. We were/are in a bad spot and guess we made the best of it with an agreement with ND.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
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So does that mean in 2029, 2030, 2032, 2033 we play Georgia, ND and UScuk? then 2035 & 2036 Ola, ND and USuck?
ND is a good rivalry, but I'd rather see us seek a few other Home/Away Blue Blood programs like Texas, USC(the real one), Penn State, Michigan, and Oregon. As well as keeping Georgia, LSU and Alabama.
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From ESPN
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"...A nine-game SEC slate could put some of those future matchups in jeopardy -- though multiple sources told ESPN they do not see annual SEC-ACC rivalry games such as Clemson-South Carolina being canceled"
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
May 6, 2025, 12:42 PM
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To quote Joe Biden.
"This a big ******* deal."
This will allow Clemson to make up some ground on other programs
Is it ideal ? No , but it should result in Clemson getting a larger share of the pie than other members.
Swofford left us in a bad spot.
Now we have to make the most of what we have going forward.
It's a lot like recruiting in that regard. We don't always get the top players ,
so we have to do more with less.
With the recent hires it appears we have learned that lesson
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
May 6, 2025, 12:44 PM
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The ND AD mentioned wanting this awhile back and I was against it because I wanted GT every year again. Fast forward to now with the ACC split revenue share and things have changed. This announcement is great for Clemson.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
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I guess ND needed to use someone like they use the ACC and it turned out to be Clemson.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
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Hate ND but if we're gonna get paid based on TV ratings there's not anyone we could play that can bring as many eyeballs as them for a random regular season game.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
May 6, 2025, 1:52 PM
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I am curious the mechanics of how this was possible in the first place. Did Swofford’s original agreement with ND really just allow them to choose the 5 schools they wanted to play from the ACC to fulfill their football obligation in order to secure membership for their Olympic sports? I doubt it.
My guess..voting to admit Cal, Stanford and SMU (which Clemson and FSU voted against) opened up this opportunity. The league agreed to allow ND to keep their rivalry with Stanford and let that game count toward the 5-game obligation to the ACC each year. Once that precedent has been set, there was nothing to stop Neff from making this deal with ND and nothing Jim Phillips or the other ADs could do to stop it.
Just spitballing. Obviously the other wildcard is we never had the new revenue sharing model before based on media value, so we’ve never been more incentivized to care about TV ratings quite so much. But I just don’t think it would have been legally possible without the exception already having been made for ND-Stanford, and we know the ACC loves to pay dozens of attorneys.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
May 6, 2025, 2:42 PM
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Would this count as an ACC conference game? or is this out of conference? Since ND is quasi linked to the ACC
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
May 6, 2025, 3:14 PM
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Non-conference. ND football is not in the ACC.
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Re: TNET: Reports: Clemson, Notre Dame football agree to long-term scheduling partnership
May 7, 2025, 7:17 PM
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I'm not quite sure why there's negative feeling about this deal. I think it's a great deal for both teams. Not to mention the fans; two top teams playing each other every year is great for both fanbases.
As for ND's partially joining the ACC rather than joining as a full member, I think it has worked out well for both sides. Notre Dame doesn't get anything like the same level of revenue sharing as the full members do, and it brings a lot of revenue into ACC games. To fans who go to Clemson games regularly, I can't imagine that you would boycott the Notre Dame games because ND should be in a conference or whatever. For myself, Clemson is one of the bigger games on the schedule when we play, right up there with Ohio State or USC. I'm excited that we're going to play more often.
If you look at the conference question this way, suppose you had a successful small business, successful enough that a lot of the competition wanted to buy it. Would you sell? If you did, you might have fewer headaches, and a more even revenue stream. But you would also no longer be your own boss. Why would you give up your autonomy in the business that you built, if it was entirely viable and capable of competing with the larger companies? I understand that people might not like Notre Dame's partial independence, but I don't think it comes from arrogance. I think it's more of if-it-ain't-broke-don't-fix-it kind of thing.
Maybe this was a bad deal for the ACC, but maybe not. The arguments in favor of the deal for the ACC usually have to do with increased TV revenues, better-than-average attendance at games, and so on. After all, a whole lot of people like to watch Notre Dame win, but probably as many or more tune in to watch Notre Dame lose! From what impartial assessments I've read (not easy to find), the ACC appears to have done very well by the arrangement, as has Notre Dame.
I do understand why so many people dislike Notre Dame. At least, I'm pretty sure that it's for a lot of the same reasons that I don't like the Yankees. But I still think the arrangement is as good for the ACC as it is for Notre Dame. After all, a perennial national fencing champion can't be all bad. The ACC didn't have one of those before. 
In any case, I'm delighted that we're going to be playing every year. I'm looking forward to a lot of great games. Here's hoping that both teams will be in the hunt for a national championship every year.
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