Re: Nothing wrong that being healthy....

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They can't even give people covid on purpose anymore

May 1, 2024, 10:58 AM

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-01284-1#Echobox=1714554716

There's a lot of immunity out there. That's a good thing, and a bad thing. This is why vaccines won't work. We only have past variants to work with and with everyone exposed almost daily to covid in multiple forms, they're not even able to infect people in challenge trials to MAKE A NEW VACCINE.

This is very good news because it shows high levels of population immunity. It's bad news for vaccines though, because they can only be made from a variant we know, and by the time we make ANY vaccine, our immune systems will already know it, so the benefit towards the next novel variant will be limited as the next variant will necessarily be one that can bypass population (AND VACCINE) immunity.

The initial vaccines were the most beneficial, and they will decline from now on in the benefit given. We were lucky and got both vaccines before getting our first round of covid. The vaccines helped greatly when we all got delta. It was mild. But aside from lessening the impact of your very first infection, or first couple of infections, the vaccines now are going to be of limited use. Other than priming your immune system, they will do little. And just living life today your immune system will stay just as primed anyway. It's a benefit to older people still, and those in bad health whose immune systems don't "prime" well. But overall, the vaccines are not of benefit to "healthy" people....anymore.

Meanwhile, the virus is working very hard now to evolve, which is good as well. Without chronic infections, covid dies out eventually. There will be other omicron type of events in the future. What you can expect is a novel variant to cause a wave once a year, or possibly more. At least 8 months likely will lapse between novel variants, unless it's truly novel. These are the variants that will cause waves. Between novel variants, you have a period where hundreds of "perpetuating" variants evolve, keeping the virus in circulation, even with declining cases and low illness.

So get a vaccine if you wish, but it's not going to protect you against whatever comes next because whatever comes next will come next because it's sufficiently different from the past infections on which any vaccine would be based anyway. There is no "different" or "better" immunity you will get from a vaccine over a natural infection, of any variant. BUT a vaccine produces no illness, or a mild one, compared to the real deal, so early on the vaccines had a very important use.

And again, the "long" covid is long because it resides in the body as a permanent resident, with free access to almost any cell it wishes to spread to, as a chronic infection. The virus transmits using a different mechanism once inside the host, with a chronic infection. And this different mechanism bypasses our immune system. Cell surface transmission (and the spike protein) are designed to attach to, and infect the respiratory tract through ACE2 cells that line the tract. That is their purpose, and function. That is why the vaccine targeted S1 and S2, to limit transmission, and also exclude the nastiest parts of the virus that allow it to spread and infect. BUT, inside the body the virus infects macrophages in the lungs, and also enters the heart, kidneys, and other organs. Inside the body the virus transmits using nanotubes to infect immune cells, and other cell types. Nanotube transmission does not activate our innate immune system, as they bypass it entirely. Therefore, any immunity you gain from a vaccine, or an infection, will not prevent transmission inside the same host.

The best shot at treating long covid will not be from prevention. It is eerily similar in many ways to EBV, Chickenpox, HIV, Herpes, Influenza, and other viruses that reside in our bodies with relative immunity. A targeted antiviral will likely produce the best results, as seen with HIV. And the smart money in the covid field should be spent on anti-viral solutions rather than vaccines. And HIV researchers have the best handle on this, and the best knowledge and capabilities. We learned how covid transmits in the body using techniques scientists developed to observe HIV transmission within the host. Same technology yielded similar results watching covid transmit within the host. Below is a pic of SARS_CoV2 proteins transmitting from one infected immune cell to another through nanotubes. There is no immune response, nor immunity, to a virus that can transmit this way.

Nanotubes are an existing mechanism in the human body that cells can use to interact and exchange information. Some viruses, bacteria, and even cancer take advantage of this existing cellular framework to transmit between cells unnoticed by the immune system. There is no effective vaccine for any virus that transmits this way, by the way.

Source (French btw):
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-023-01661-4

Now the question as to WHERE can SARS-CoV2 reside in the body? Any tissue that contains cells linked by nanotubes, which are...the cell types listed in this study:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5474251/

Ok, so what types of viruses take advantage of TNT's? Well, we have a list of those too. Table #1 in this study:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10904554/

Now, in theory, if vaccinated twice against covid prior to a first natural infection, then yes, the vaccines would help prevent longcovid. But any subsequent natural covid infection that differs from the vaccine, those chances would increase again as the "immunity" to the front-end of the virus is less, leaving a larger and larger chance of long covid, no matter the vaccine, as future novel variants evolve to bypass existing immunity, vaccine or otherwise. Omicron was sufficiently different from the Wuhan-based vaccines that everyone got it, and that was when long covid really hit, IMO. And don't get me wrong, natural immunity would provide no further immunity to long covid than a vaccine. The percentages of long covid cases is also climbing, and will continue to climb IMO.

So when you know how the virus works, and you see a Phizer rep, or the CDC, or anyone else promoting vaccines saying they will prevent long covid, or anyone with an interest in not having to deal with long covid, you can dismiss what they say. Follow the virus, not the talking heads or "public health". Everything makes sense then when the lies unfold.

This isn't just a cold. It's not a pandemic. Influenza 2.0 would be the best way to think of it. And it will force evolution. We don't know when influenza started, it was too long ago. But I would imagine it started in a very similar manner as covid has, to date. Probably took longer, as humans weren't flying all over the planet, but I imagine the process was similar. A variant of influenza swept the globe, to be followed by another and another and another and ......over time we learned to live with it. But it likely started as a pandemic of pandemic variants, much as covid has done.