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TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 9:24 AM
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Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
The College Football season will be here before you know it. It was announced on Tuesday that Clemson’s season opener against the Georgia Bulldogs on Saturday, Sept. 4, will be set for 7:30 p.m. ET. The contest will air nationally on ABC. So who is the favorite between the Dawgs and Tigers? Clemson Read Update » |
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 9:44 AM
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It shouldn't be close if we can keep our QB in the game and our OL really is improved. We really need a backup QB who could step right in and not have a big drop-off in production. As I've harped on for many years, the OL must be better, or it will be another long night.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 10:48 AM
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I wish I shared the "shouldn't be close" point of view.
Too many talented players in red for me to think that, even though their HC is a clown.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 10:51 AM
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That, and we always seem to improve as the season moves along. We've had several closer games early in seasons against teams we'd probably have blown out towards the end of the year such as Troy, twice against A&M, and twice recently against Auburn just to think of some.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 10:56 AM
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Excellent point, and we are noticeably better against teams with more tape.
In UGA's case, we'll have less tape than most just by nature; they have a new scheme on offense, new personnel, and it's game 1.
But remember, CLEMSON went out and got this game on the calendar; Wyoming wasn't going to help anyone, and arguments aside about the strength of the schedule, our leaders are likely & completely aware of how important this game is to win.
I expect an incredibly fun game, and the only thing that would surprise me is if we don't use any trick plays by design to catch them off guard since it's week 1 and we need this game so badly.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 4:35 PM
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"I expect an incredibly fun game, and the only thing that would surprise me is if we don't use any trick plays by design to catch them off guard since it's week 1 and we need this game so badly".
Now there you go. You've let the cat out of the bag and the game hasn't even started yet.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 4:49 PM
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Bwahahahah! I hear you, but this game is going to be absolute fireworks. I can't remember a bigger season opener or a more important game being the first game outright. Can't wait to see what we have up our sleeves.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 11:00 AM
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Several here have "won't be close" predications. I assume its trash talk or wishful thinking. I see a very close game with the difference being UGA's ability to run the ball. By that, I mean UGA being more successful on the ground the Clemson.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 11:14 AM
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Clemson will air it out and score. This game will boil down to the Tiger secondary. If UGA is not able to pass, CBV will stack the box and stuff the run.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 12:01 PM
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Clemson will air it out and score. This game will boil down to the Tiger secondary. If UGA is not able to pass, CBV will stack the box and stuff the run.
The inverse is also true. If Clemson can't run the ball successfully, UGA will be able to pin their ears back and get to the QB at will.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 12:07 PM
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I think that's the most intriguing aspect of the game - Clemson's ability (or not) to run the ball. The Tigers struggled last year to run against better teams, and that was with the best RB is school history. It will be interesting to see if and how much the O-line has improved.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 3:56 PM
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That’s where I disagree. Clemson didn’t run well last year is partial to the OL and a lot to do with our WRs being out and teams we’re capable of putting man coverage on them while stacking the box causing the OL to look worse especially since it was already sub par for our level in CFB. With our recievers being healthy can many teams afford 1-1 man coverage on Ross Ngata and Ladson? I don’t think so and Clemson will run better this year despite no back being as good as Etienne and the defense this year is much better as the talent was there but experience and offseason prep wasn’t last year as many were freshmen. Clemson this season will be much better if healthy than Clemson last season obvious losses but less stress on those key positions by a mile this year.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 4:20 PM
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Ross, Ngata and Ladson are all very talented guys, but can Ross shake off the rust in game 1? Maybe so, but maybe not. And neither Ngata nor Ladson have been in the role of "the guy" as of yet. Neither has ever had so much as a 300 yard season, nor a 90 yard game, and neither has scored a TD against anyone worth a flip. Can they step up and be that guy in game one against a quality opponent? Again maybe so, but maybe not. They have the talent and the potential, but it's game one. There are some unknowns here.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 5:39 PM
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You might want to check your own WR situation before critiquing ours. Last time I checked
UGA wasn’t exactly looking at a world beater season predicated on the WR room... I’d take out situation and QB over yours, hoss.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 6:49 PM
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I didn't disparage any of your guys, just an honest, unbiased assessment. And even with our superstar Pickens out, he's the only one of our top 4 or 5 pass catchers from last year not returning. We've got a nice group of guys who have produced when the "band was playing".
But you kinda hit it on the head - our offense is not as dependent on the WR corps as yours is, particularly without Etienne. Our guys can tote the rock and Daniels can spread it around. We're gonna play who we bring, hoss.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 9:11 PM
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Where did I say you disparaged our players?Again, I’ll take our room over yours and we all know the joejoe recipe, regardless of your OC, run, run, run, dump pass, run... You’ll get a dose of foot in mouth thinking we can’t run the ball without ET. What is that even supposed to mean, “we’ll play who we bring?” Well, I guess Kirby should play who he brings... Of course, I’m not much for talking like you dawg fans. After all, that’s all you guys can claim for the last 40 years...Talk.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 20, 2021, 2:08 PM
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He does seem to be trying to be fair, though, rather than deliberately critical, know what I mean?
However, suggesting they're essentially only going to run the ball "regardless of your OC" seems misguided at best, even if you didn't see a single UGA snap last season. I know you don't mean to suggest they won't pass at all, but I'm a little surprised how much UGA's offensive scheme changed last season (& even more this spring) without many of us noticing & consequently insisting they're one-dimensional with the run.
ETNT will be missed. I absolutely adore Dixon, but I don't think it's unfair to suggest he's naturally not as competitive, and that's OK; it might not matter as long as the o-line can do their jobs against a legitimately talented Georgia d-line & pass rush.
With our backup QB out, though, I'm more concerned we'll instead be the ones to appear more one-dimensional like when we visited Notre Dame last season. Just my 2 cents. Gonna be a battle!
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 20, 2021, 7:49 PM
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Ross, Ngata and Ladson are all very talented guys, but can Ross shake off the rust in game 1? Maybe so, but maybe not. And neither Ngata nor Ladson have been in the role of "the guy" as of yet. Neither has ever had so much as a 300 yard season, nor a 90 yard game, and neither has scored a TD against anyone worth a flip. Can they step up and be that guy in game one against a quality opponent? Again maybe so, but maybe not. They have the talent and the potential, but it's game one. There are some unknowns here.
Clemson’s problem wasn’t offense. It’s hard to run the ball when the other team has it and passing it up and down the field because we had a weak... I mean WEAK secondary and OLB play!
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 11:39 AM
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You're talking past, nothing in your statement talks about how UGA will be in game one 2021!!! This game IMO, will be about who wants most, and who was better prepared to get the win!!!
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 3:30 PM
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You're talking past, nothing in your statement talks about how UGA will be in game one 2021!!! This game IMO, will be about who wants most, and who was better prepared to get the win!!!
Well, I think he's talking about running the ball and stopping the run. Most of the guys who ran the ball for us last year will be back in 2021, as will almost all of our interior DL. Our run game looks to be pretty strong on both offense and defense.
I think the game will come down to a couple things. As far as matchups, our main concern is how will our rebuilt secondary handle your WRs; and on offense, how will our OL handle your DL - which is clearly the strength of your team. The other thing is being the first game, who will execute better and avoid the silly mistakes (being better prepared as you said). I'm hoping it's a good one.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 4:40 PM
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Per usual, I think it will come down to how many of Georgia's players are suspended by game time.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 5:42 PM
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When has UGA ever suspended a needed player before a game?
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 11:07 PM
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Never, a UGA player can get bailed out of jail 6 pm on a Saturday, and start the game at 7 pm. They will suspend that player when they play a team like Furman the next week!!!
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 20, 2021, 2:03 PM
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That's not exactly accurate, though, is it? Bringing a guy back from suspension right before a big game then suspending him for Furman (we play Furman, not them, to be fair)?
Frankly we've done the same, even if UGA did it more frequently when stuff like that was happening ten years ago, but I'd argue some of their best players were consequently held out (or kicked out altogether) for some of UGA's biggest games of those seasons.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 1:51 PM
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Your dB are going to get torched. UGA’s only hope is to run the ball and hang onto it. That’ll keep it close. Unfortunately for you Brian Bresee is completely unblockable, he’s going to require a double team that’ll free up a linebacker, it’s gonna be a long night
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 4:29 PM
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Speaking of DBs getting torched, I hope BV trots out the same safeties he used against Ohio State. If Buckeye wideouts can consistently run past them, I'm confident the Dawgs can too.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 5:45 PM
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True. I’m sure UGA will hold as often and without penalty as much as OSU.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 6:53 PM
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So that's why OSU rolled up over 600 yards and nearly 50 points....holding.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 9:13 PM
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What was your team doing that day? I was busy and couldn’t tell ya.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 20, 2021, 7:09 AM
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I dont know what the team was doing. The coaching staff was likely taking notes and licking their chops watching what a team not even in the top 10 (just ask Dabo) was able to do to the vaunted BV defense.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 20, 2021, 8:25 AM
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Oh, now I remember. They were sitting at home. As usual. No post season. No playoffs, no championship possibility. Just the note taking for, “ next year.” Status quo for 40 years. ??
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 20, 2021, 9:37 AM
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LOL, actually they were busy beating a top 10 opponent. And you may want to rethink the whole 40 years of "status quo" thing since that includes a lot of Tiger beatdowns. 
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 20, 2021, 12:12 PM
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?? top ten LAST year????? ?? Ok, cling to that like a branch on a riverbank, but we both know who came up short on the season.... Again. Doggies can bark when they sustain some level of playoff presence. Barely beating a subpar Cincinnati, (Yes, I’m laughing as I type) in the doodoo bowl THEN using it as a measurement against a team who makes the playoffs every year makes you a ?? at best. The next stupidity out of your mouth will just HAVE to be, “but, but the A-she-she...” Sure, kinda like the SEC East, but you tools can’t even get over your division hump, ??
Same story, different year. Same delusional homer fans with nothing in their trophy case except and index card that says, “recruiting star champs for 20 years....”
Yes status quo, the complete opposite of how our program performs in comparison to UGAY.
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No need for hate speech, though
May 21, 2021, 10:58 AM
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I get that y'all are angry & it's clouding your judgment, but please, enough with the hate speech.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 21, 2021, 11:38 AM
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No offense, but that sounds exactly like what you'd expect to hear from someone who just took an unmerciful butt-whuppin' in their last bowl game. I mean I wouldn't actually know, because after all when is the last time UGA lost a bowl by more than a TD? We certainly haven't made a habit of it.
And that weak SEC-East (which we've won 3 of the last 4 years, btw)? Are you talking about that same SEC-East who is 10-4 against the ACC the last 3 years? LOL!
And lastly, I've asked on here a bunch of times but have never gotten a response - refresh my memory, prior to Kirby becoming head coach, when did UGA ever have a #1 ranked recruiting class?
And since you bring up how your program performs compared to UGA, what's the head-to-head the last several times we've played?
But seriously, I jumped in this thread with a few well-reasoned, unbiased thoughts on some keys to the game. Some of the replies were pretty well-reasoned in kind, but most were mindless trash talk. And with the history of this series, we can give it back every bit as much as you can give it - despite your recent CFP wins. I mean look at your rivalry with FSU. What carries more weight with you, their NC in 2013, or your 5 straight wins with some recent blowouts? The fact is that since you didn't play us for those NC's, we really don't care. I mean you had great seasons and hats off and all that, but it just didn't move the needle for us much either way. Truthfully, a lot of Dawg fans were actually glad to see y'all win in '16 just to shut all these Bama fans up for a while (there are a lot more of them than Clemson fans). But none of that will have any impact on our game in Sept. And that's really what I came here to talk about.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 20, 2021, 1:03 AM
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Sorry, but you bums were luckily to escape with a last second field goal win vs Cincinnati. I thought you would blow them out on roster alone. Didn’t cover the over for me either! ??
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 20, 2021, 7:13 AM
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Lucky - maybe. You'd rather be lucky and win by a field goal than let a team your coach trash talked hang nearly half a hundred on you. Then again, maybe you wouldn't.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 20, 2021, 8:29 AM
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Your narratives are a weak as your program. Sorry, nobody with any sense believes he called them less than a top ten team for any other reason than they only played 6 games. Nice try though, but that bs was put to bed last year.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 20, 2021, 9:43 AM
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Whatever his intent or reasons, he said what he said and he only said it because he, and just about everyone else outside Columbus OH, expected Clemson would truck OSU. Look at the list of teams he rated above OSU.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 20, 2021, 12:24 PM
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Baseless and contradicting at that. “Whatever his intentions or reasons were” followed by, “he only said it because he expected to truck OSU,” doesn’t jive. It’s common to make mistakes like that when you are supporting a narrative that isn’t based on facts or logic.
Do your research. He addressed the reason he ranked who, where, but that doesn’t fit your hollow argument so you are just making crap up. It is comical, I’ll give you that.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 20, 2021, 12:41 PM
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Dabo ranked OSU outside the top 10 because of their light schedule. Funny, when anyone in the media brings up Clemson's light schedule, he goes to the "poor little old Clemson" schtik. I understand he wasn't trying to imply they were the 11th best team in the country. Ultimately it didn't matter because that's how it played out and it allowed OSU to use it.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 20, 2021, 9:51 PM
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There’s no Schtick, man. You can say whatever you want about Dabo, but the one thing you can’t accuse him of is being a hack with a Schtick and expect to have any credibility. He’s earned the respect he gets and has yet to prove he is anything other than what he says he believes. There is no argument there, just “opinions.”
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 21, 2021, 1:25 PM
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I think Dabo is sincere in his beliefs. I think he tries to do things the right way. He has clearly built Clemson in to a powerhouse. But don't kid yourself, that good ol boy, "we're just little ole Clemson" is pure schtick, my friend, designed for and aimed directly at the Clemson fanbase, who eat it up. He has the best program in the country and continues to frame things as if Clemson just can't get any respect, when everyone knows that's not true.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 20, 2021, 7:47 PM
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Nah, at this point I would rather get smacked in the playoffs than squeak one out against a G5 team in the Peach Bowl.
Hopefully, that will fuel our offseason like it did for OSU, that was their Super Bowl. Agreed, that Dabo’s ranking comments were stupid though.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 21, 2021, 12:29 PM
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Good point, but hell I wish we got to play more competitive teams like Cincinnati. Fun game, great competition.
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That's a really optimistic take.
May 19, 2021, 11:48 AM
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JT Daniels looked fantastic for Georgia when he finally got healthy and into the lineup. He averaged over 10 YPA in the 4 games he started. The one major weakness in his game appears to be mobility though. He had 10 carries for -71 yards (likely all sacks) in those 4 games.
If you look at the 247 talent composite i believe Georgia has the most talented roster in the country. Sure that metric has some flaws, but the major takeaway is that the are extremely talented, and you can bet Kirby will field another salty defense.
It's going to be a battle.
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Re: That's a really optimistic take.
May 19, 2021, 1:14 PM
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I would give the talent advantage to UGA in several position groups. My concern is it comes down to the wire and Kirby puckers up and does something dumb.
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Re: That's a really optimistic take.
May 19, 2021, 2:02 PM
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Of course you would, you’re a Dawg fan. Clemson has the better quarterback and will have the better defense, I know you don’t believe it, but you’ll find out
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Re: That's a really optimistic take.
May 19, 2021, 2:17 PM
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QB is a push.
WR I'll give to Clemson because Ross is returning and Pickens will be out. If Pickens were in, that would be a push.
O-line: UGA
RB: UGA
D-line: UGA
backers: UGA
CBs: Clemson
Safety: UGA.
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Giving DL to Georgia seems like a stretch to me
May 19, 2021, 2:29 PM
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RB is probably pretty close to a wash as well, but Georgia likely has the edge in the running game due to the OL advantage.
If Georgia were truly better at every position, Clemson wouldn't be favored.
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Re: Giving DL to Georgia seems like a stretch to me
May 19, 2021, 2:59 PM
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Not one of your RB would play at UGA. Do you really think any of them are as good as Kendall Milton and he is 3 or 4 string.
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Arrogance and idiocy go hand in hand in Athens
May 19, 2021, 4:51 PM
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Y'all offered both our freshmen running backs, so your coaches disagree with you, little pup. Whoever the h3ll you're talking about won't touch Will Shipley's APY (our 3rd or 4th string).
If I were you, I'd be more concerned about the six interceptions your QBs threw in the two losses.
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Re: Arrogance and idiocy ??
May 19, 2021, 5:29 PM
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If I were you, I'd be more concerned about the six interceptions your QBs threw in the two losses.
LOL! Yeah, go ahead and dwell on those 6 int's. Neither of the QBs who threw those are likely to see the field against y'all. Dwan Mathis for one, transferred, and Stetson Bennett will likely be 4th string - so if he does play, it'll be well in hand. But even still, Stetson's picks were after he broke a knuckle in his throwing hand vs Bama (we were ahead 24-17 prior to the injury), and after he injured his throwing shoulder vs Florida, on what realistically should have been a targetting call (we were ahead 14-0 at the time of that injury). All of this was before Daniels was cleared to play.
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Re: Speaking of INTs, didn't he throw a bunch in the spring
May 20, 2021, 12:21 PM
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Why not?
Daniels has a competitive enough schedule for a solid Heisman run, plus the propensity for Heisman moments & flash.
DJ has flash & ability, but my legitimate concern (again) is we don't control our own destiny to a Heisman simply by the lack of opportunities for Heisman moments; there are simply too many vastly uncompetitive teams on the schedule, and in spite of UGA being legitimately competitive the Heisman is never won in September, let alone week 1 of a loaded slate.
Mind you, UGA's schedule isn't the most powerhouse test this year, for sure, but matchups against teams like Auburn, Florida and whoever wins the West are exactly what make for legit Heisman runs. For us to have a chance, we gotta beat UGA & then hope UNC is better than a 4-loss team again when we face them in December, then we gotta have some moments, too.
Frankly I just wish our unquestionably elite players had more opportunities to prove it outright like we accidentally had in 2020, know what I mean?
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Re: That's a really optimistic take.
May 19, 2021, 5:51 PM
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Why do dawg fans still play the player vs player stack up game? What has it gained UGA over the last 40 years? It’s a losing proposition.
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Re: That's a really optimistic take.
May 20, 2021, 7:51 PM
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I think we have you on D-line, but both are elite.
No arguments anywhere else, but pretty sure you would trade JT for DJ straight up in a cocaine heartbeat.
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I'm not sure we actually have the better QB.
May 19, 2021, 2:25 PM
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I think DJ has more upside and he *might* be the better QB, but I don't think that's a certainty.
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Re: That's a really optimistic take.
May 19, 2021, 3:57 PM
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Of course you would, you’re a Dawg fan. Clemson has the better quarterback and will have the better defense, I know you don’t believe it, but you’ll find out
Of course there's a flip side as well. Better QB? Not sure an unbiased source can say that for certain. Daniels put up better numbers than DJ did last year (higher QBR, yd/att, etc), and he's more experienced. It could go either way. And better defense remains to be seen as well. You almost certainly have the better starting DL, but we have better depth. We have a more athletic LB corps than you do, and maybe better depth there as well. You have the edge at CB, but I like our safety's. Y'all have more upside at WR, particularly with Ross returning, and both OLs may be a work in progress.
It's the first game, so no one knows for sure what will happen. It will come down to who can recognize and take advantage of any kind of mismatch, and maybe who will make the fewer mistakes.
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Re: That's a really optimistic take.
May 19, 2021, 4:47 PM
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I predict Clemson's QB will get rattled and commit some costly errors. It will be his first start of the year and against a top 3 opponent. He's a good athlete, but I'm not sure of his mental preparedness. I also look for Georgia to have a stout DL and good edge rushers.
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Mental preparedness? Yeah he totally fell apart in throwing
May 19, 2021, 4:50 PM
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for 439 yards AT #4 Notre Dame last year.
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True, but
May 19, 2021, 5:33 PM
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He was hurt (i.e., deliberately limited mobility) & we lost that game.
I think he'll be good, even great, & our chances of a win are legitimate. UGA may be a little unhinged, & I'd like to think the coaches are prepared (remember, our backup QB is hurt even worse this time, for example).
I think the QB part will be predictable enough by nature that the outlier becomes how well the o-line does at blocking. Over-simplified & obvious, maybe, but still.
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Re: That's a really optimistic take.
May 20, 2021, 1:45 AM
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Your really going to be surprised at how patient our Offense is at setting up the prob by stretching & running your defense to find the weaknesses. Then we will begin to exploit them before the Half. This is going to be so enjoyable!
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Re: That's a really optimistic take.
May 20, 2021, 11:57 AM
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Your really going to be surprised at how patient our Offense is at setting up the prob by stretching & running your defense to find the weaknesses. Then we will begin to exploit them before the Half. This is going to be so enjoyable!
I'm not sure there are going to be any "surprises" as to what either team will try to do - certainly not among the coaching staffs. It will come down to what either team will be ~able~ to do. If y'all can establish an effective running game, then that will put a lot of pressure on our secondary to precvent exactly what you describe. But that is much easier said than done against a Kirby defense. If we can control your run game and/or disrupt the passing lanes without bringing extra pressure, then our secondary will be comfortable to match your offensive patience. Personally, I think both teams will have some amount of success. May be a case of who will crack first. I'm sure you say it'll be us. We'll see.
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You don't expect any tricks?
May 20, 2021, 12:17 PM
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I expect both teams to throw in some trick plays or wrinkles though, by nature even?
Opening game, little to no tape for either scheme (sets up opportunity), & this game is absolutely crucial to Clemson having a chance to later control its destiny to the CFP.
I'm leaning more like a straight trick play or diversion like a flea-flicker pass or dump to DJ Uiagaleilei on the edge, maybe a couple of coordinated sweeps behind the line of scrimmage, that kind of thing rather than a fake punt/kick or something like that for conditional turnover on downs (maybe even a 2-point conversion for good measure).
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 3:10 PM
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Your OL will get dominated by the best front 7 in college ball, all evening and your QB will be running for his life. Anderson, Smith and Walker will be teeing off the edge all evening, because you will no run game and your OT will get worked. Your center & guards have no chance with Davis, Wyatt and Carter. Then you got the Tennessee 3 that will rotate in behind them.
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 20, 2021, 8:34 AM
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Ok, Cheezer...
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Re: And yet, despite all that, the experts inexplicably have
May 20, 2021, 2:00 PM
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That part makes sense, though, doesn't it?
It's basically a home game; Clemson has played 7 games in Charlotte since the last time UGA has played there (coincidentally that was also the last season we lost to UGA or any other SEC team in the regular season) so the 3-point lean to me is suggestive of an even fight, i.e., when teams are evenly-matched & the money is about the same on both teams (which we still don't technically have the moneyline odds for, mind you), the 3-point advantage goes to the home team by nature.
Make no mistake, this will be an excellent matchup, immeasurably better than Wyoming. Can't wait! Go Tigers!
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Re: And yet, despite all that, the experts inexplicably have
May 20, 2021, 7:57 PM
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I’m assuming the crowd will be pretty evenly split. Both teams travel well and have fan bases with money to burn. After last years layoff, I know I’m ready to get rowdy. Should be a war and hopefully a great game.
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Just saying we have more experience
May 21, 2021, 12:36 PM
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I don't disagree, just saying we have vastly more experience there & it's half the travel distance for us, too (hence the 3-point spread in our favor). ####, we played there mere months ago, after all, & pretty much every year at least once (highly likely twice this year alone).
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You do realize, of course
May 21, 2021, 3:44 PM
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that that's not how they set betting lines, right?
The "experts" don't know who's gonna win, and they don't really care who wins. They just want the same amount of money to be bet on each team and live off the juice.
I'm on record as saying it'd open about 3 or 4. It'll be interesting to see if it moves from here - and if so, which way and by how much.
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No actual odds, though?
May 19, 2021, 10:53 AM
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I can't seem to find the odds anywhere? This says we're favored by three points, but we already knew that, correct?
Has anyone seen the actual Vegas odds? Maybe they just left them out of the article? I just can't find them myself, and I imagine it's likely -110 or -115, something like that.
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Re: No actual odds, though?
May 19, 2021, 4:41 PM
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Not sure what you're asking about, and I can't look at Fanduel lines, but the money line for a -3 point spread will probably be -150 to -160. With -155 bets, you need to win 60.8% of the time to break even, which would be the implied odds of Clemson winning if there was no juice in the line and ignoring other things that may factor into the line. Removing the juice, it would be around 58% chance of Clemson winning. So essentially (or close enough) they're saying that Clemson has a 58% chance of winning
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Re: No actual odds, though?
May 19, 2021, 4:51 PM
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I hear you, I'm just not sure why they didn't say that, then? Again, we've known about the 3-point spread for months now, that hasn't changed (nor do I expect it to) rather than the odds for betting in Vegas, which is the title of the article, know what I mean?
It's interesting if nothing else, but I was hoping someone might see it and respond with more information if they had it is all, and I admit it's mostly out of sheer curiosity, but still, that's why I clicked the link in the first place.
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So you're saying there's a chance.....***
May 19, 2021, 11:32 AM
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Re: So you're saying there's a chance.....***
May 19, 2021, 4:00 PM
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There's a chance, there are just no actual odds, which is odd in itself.
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Go Tigers!
May 19, 2021, 1:10 PM
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Do you have your tickets?
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 6:03 PM
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Why would anyone care on May 19, what the odds on a football game in September are?
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 6:32 PM
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You ain't from around here, are ya?
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Re: TNET: Vegas odds on Clemson-Georgia
May 19, 2021, 8:54 PM
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Because the odds can change and if you can place a bet on those odds then you can adjust your chances, so to speak.
I'm oversimplifying it a little bit of course, but you're right to ask since the article doesn't actually show the odds, only the points spread. I imagine it will stay at this for betting when it opens & sit around -110 to -115.
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I think I would take Florida and 15 at Florida
May 20, 2021, 5:43 PM
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They are giving Bama too much credit I think on this one. Bama and Florida starting new QBs, Bama lost a ton on both offense and defense but Florida lost Pitts, Toney and Trask on offense as well. But I think 15pts is too much for Bama at Florida. While I think Bama wins, pretty sure if I was a bettor, I would ride Florida.
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