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Exceeding expectations......
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Last year brownell was the 37th highest paid college basketball coaches in the country. We finished the regular season as #12. We dropped 10 spots after getting upset in the tourney, and finished the year at #22
The year prior we had a solid regular season and went to the elite 8. We finished 14th in the final ap poll.
Has brownell exceeded expectations based on his 37th ranked salary the last 2 seasons?
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May 28, 2025, 10:01 AM
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we still beating this dead horse?
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Re: Exceeding expectations......
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May 28, 2025, 10:23 AM
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The constant of all the different scoks they use is crazy
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110%er [3732]
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Re: Exceeding expectations......
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May 28, 2025, 10:31 AM
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Ahhh you are a nutty conspiracy theorist too, huh?
Why exactly would i create multiple accounts on an anonymous website. Seems bizarre.
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Re: Exceeding expectations......
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May 28, 2025, 10:48 AM
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I know I would seek help if I did that!
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110%er [3766]
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And always obsessed with the salary issue... same scok indeed.
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May 28, 2025, 2:33 PM
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No one is talking about basketball in May.
I would bet the majority of Clemson nation thinks he's overpaid, especially after that debacle in the NCAA tourney.
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There are plenty of basketball posts here this month.***
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May 29, 2025, 9:06 PM
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National Champion [8002]
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Its just Judge Keller doing the only thing she knows how to do.
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May 28, 2025, 11:56 AM
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Troll.
Apparently she loves the attention no matter how negative. Weird lady.
Now watch, jstone and Judge will also enter into this thread. She literally replies to herself.
I-S-S-U-E-S
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Re: Exceeding expectations......
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May 28, 2025, 10:04 AM
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I think, since you have that time on your hands, you should post all the coaches who got paid lower than 37th and finished higher and/or made it out of the first round of the tournament to bolster your stance
He did well in a down ACC. It is sad to see the ACC a shell of the conference it once was. What would be your record that you think backs up your feelings about Brownell? What position in the down ACC? Hope this team comes together and does something special, truly I do!
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110%er [3732]
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May 28, 2025, 10:16 AM
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I think, since you have that time on your hands, you should post all the coaches who got paid lower than 37th and finished higher and/or made it out of the first round of the tournament to bolster your stance
He did well in a down ACC. It is sad to see the ACC a shell of the conference it once was. What would be your record that you think backs up your feelings about Brownell? What position in the down ACC? Hope this team comes together and does something special, truly I do!
It must suck to be so inefficient with a computer that you think this post took a lot of time. Googling isnt hard.
Here are some resources for you that might make using a computer easier for you.
Www.google.com
www.chatgpt.com
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Top TigerNet [30556]
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Re: Exceeding expectations......
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May 28, 2025, 10:21 AM
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Snarky little fella huh? Bless your heart you got offended! I was not trying to be a jerk, what is your excuse though?
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110%er [3732]
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May 28, 2025, 10:53 AM
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In this thread you have inferred that i have say more time on my hands than you, and accused me of having multiple usernames, but yet you dont understand why i would respond in the way way in which did.
Not only do you not know how to use a computer, but you are not very self aware.
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Re: Exceeding expectations......
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May 28, 2025, 10:59 AM
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Yeah you are right. I am the jerk and my responses were infuriating and insensitive to you. My bad, please accept my humblest apologies
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National Champion [8002]
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Judge uses her mountaineers handle to be snarkier and more insulting than
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May 28, 2025, 11:57 AM
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usual.
Such a pathetic, no-life fraud.
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CU Medallion [18225]
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How many handles have you had here? I bet I could name close to a dozen
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May 28, 2025, 5:08 PM
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without even trying bowlhunter
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Losing in the first round
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May 28, 2025, 10:07 AM
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To McNeese State isn’t exceeding expectations.
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110%er [3732]
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Re: Losing in the first round
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May 28, 2025, 10:18 AM
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You are right, losing that singular fame did not exceed expectations.
Do you base an entire season on 1 game?
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Losing that singular fame?
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May 28, 2025, 10:24 AM
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It must suck to be so inefficient with a computer…
Just kidding, lol. Those are all your words and I was using them against you for comedic effect.
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Re: Losing that singular fame?
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May 28, 2025, 10:25 AM
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Yeah to use ChatGPT instead of doing actual research
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Re: Losing that singular fame?
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May 28, 2025, 10:55 AM
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Chat got is an incredibly powerful tool. That paired with google should open some doors for you.
You're welcome.
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Re: Losing that singular fame?
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May 28, 2025, 11:01 AM
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lol. 😂 you really do get bent out of shape
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CU Medallion [18526]
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Re: Losing in the first round
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May 28, 2025, 1:49 PM
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When it is a humiliating loss in the most important game of the entire season, I do.
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110%er [3732]
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May 28, 2025, 3:30 PM
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I guess last football season was an epic failure to you. Sad.
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There's that Judy Keller rearing her head...wondered how long it would take***
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May 28, 2025, 5:03 PM
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110%er [3732]
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May 29, 2025, 9:35 AM
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Your words, not mine. "A humiliating loss in the most important game of the season"
I certainly dont think it was a failure. You apparently do
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CU Medallion [19594]
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We had a humiliating loss in the first round of the college football playoffs.
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May 29, 2025, 9:10 PM
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So I take it you consider our 2024 football season a disappointment as well?
Especially since our football coach was the second highest paid yet we finished ranked 14th. Right?
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Re: We had a humiliating loss in the first round of the college football playoffs.
May 29, 2025, 10:52 PM
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I don’t think it warranted major changes to his contract and that didn’t happen. And he made the playoffs and won an ACC championship. Brad, on the other hand, barfed at the finish line. Won nothing of significance. And received a bare minimum of $7.5 million more than previously slated for. Justify that math.
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It wasnt humiliating and it, along with the ACC trophy, are major
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May 29, 2025, 11:53 PM
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accomplishments. An ACC trophy and making the playoffs was the expectation.
Brad failed. He wasn’t competitive in the ACCT, and he got humiliated (actual) in the NCAAT.
Not even someone as dense as you can believe this is an equal comparison.
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Re: It wasnt humiliating and it, along with the ACC trophy, are major
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May 30, 2025, 7:55 AM
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accomplishments. An ACC trophy and making the playoffs was the expectation.
Brad failed. He wasn’t competitive in the ACCT, and he got humiliated (actual) in the NCAAT.
Not even someone as dense as you can believe this is an equal comparison.
The run defense was about as embarrassing as i have ever seen. We never had a chance despite our offense playing well. There was absolutely no excuse for that with the talent we had on defense. Im glad dabo made the right decision and fired goodwin. It looks like tom allen is a home run hire.
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I appreciate this fresh take on CBB
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May 28, 2025, 10:14 AM
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And I am glad your expectations were exceeded.
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Re: Exceeding expectations......
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May 28, 2025, 10:30 AM
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He made $3.8 million last year which places him much higher than 37. Granted, you do have to be able to read a chart. And for his double early exits he was rewarded with a contract that will comfortably put him in the top 20. Nice try though.
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May 28, 2025, 10:36 AM
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Where was he ranked per your sources?
I wasnt talking about what his salary will be going forward.
Did he exceed expectations based on his salary the last 2 years? Can you answer that?
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It depends on your definition of expectations.
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May 28, 2025, 10:52 AM
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If the expectation is for your salary ranking and final poll ranking to be the same, then expectations were exceeded.
If your expectation is to win one ACCT game and 0 NCAAT games, then expectations were met.
If your expectation is to win more than one game in the ACCT or NCAAT, then expectations were not met.
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Re: It depends on your definition of expectations.
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May 28, 2025, 11:20 AM
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I was perfectly fine with the way Brad’s contract was handled after the 23-24 season. My complaint was the size of the raise, extension, and buyout after the end of 24-25 season. Not sure how a chart reflecting his salary under the previous condition would negate my argument. And (since I know CM will be looking) my numbers come from the same USAToday list he is using. Brad is listed at 37th. But they don’t include bonuses in that amount (though listed in a separate column). No one below Brad got a bigger bonus so no one could pass him. Keatts was fired and he passes Jerome Tang for 29th. His new $4 million salary would already place him at 24th on the list and his bonuses for conference tourney seeds and NIT bids are wildly more generous than most. Then look at the accomplishments of those coaches. Other than Gates af Missouri they all have major conference titles and most Final Four appearances.
Brad’s body of work, even if we only look at the last 8 years, does not merit his last compensation package. Unless Missouri is the athletic department we are most hoping to emulate.
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Re: It depends on your definition of expectations.
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Hahahahaha
This is a long winded argument that doesn't come close to answering my very simple question.
I will ask you again..... has brownell exceeded expectations the last 2 years based on his salary being 37th best in the country? Remember his salary was even lower for the 23-24 season. Yes or no?
Also, compensation package wasn't just based on performance. It had a lot to do with indiana's interest in brownell. The interest was confirmed by Clemson insiders, indiana insiders, clemson boosters, and the AD
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Re: It depends on your definition of expectations.
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May 28, 2025, 1:53 PM
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No. You can obfuscate the numbers all you want. He is paid far above his station amongst college basketball coaches. I went "long winded" to explain why 37th is not accurate nor reflects the reward he was given for the performance within the year in question.
It isn't a great look to base your argument largely in part on the fact that you have no idea how coaching searches work. And again, even if Indiana was interested we were under no obligation to counter nor was he under any obligation to listen. Being the most heavily invested in coach without a title in the history of college basketball wasn't enough for Brad. Had to twist Neff for a few more dollars. But it is also why you can bank it that at no point would Indiana introduce a man without a single regular season championship or even a conference finals appearance in 16 tries as there new head coach.
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Re: It depends on your definition of expectations.
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May 28, 2025, 2:35 PM
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Ok then let's assume that no other coach ahead of him had any performance based incentives in their contract. Lol.
Brownell got paid 3.7 last year and let's just say 3 million the year before (his salary was 2.75)
Based on the usa today article he would have been the 27th highest paid coach last year and the 46th highest paid coach the year prior.
Did he exceed expectations based on his salary the last 2 years? This is so embarrassing for you. Wow.
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Re: It depends on your definition of expectations.
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May 28, 2025, 2:43 PM
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Dude. Stop using ChatGPT. You don't have to assume. Maximum bonus and earned bonus are in the USAToday Chart. Brad got paid $3.8 mill last year. He made $3.025 million the year prior. And it's not embarrassing because I NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH LAST YEAR'S EXTENSION. The current one is an abomination.
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Re: It depends on your definition of expectations.
May 28, 2025, 3:29 PM
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How do you know what his bonus was last year? The article was written prior to the end of the season.
You dont know what brownell or any other coaches bonus was for the 24-25 season which is why i was giving you the benefit of the doubt.
Answer the question instead of deflecting. Yes or no.
Also i did not use chatgpt to find the usatoday article. Imagine trying to make fun of somebody for using chatgpt in 2025. You are getting left behind.
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Re: It depends on your definition of expectations.
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May 29, 2025, 4:12 PM
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I know because I looked up what the incentive structure was in the previous contract. It’s even mentioned in some articles about the current contract.
You’re getting left behind as an app developer or social media content manager. But it doesn’t provide reliableinformation. It can’t reliably count letters in words or place numbers with decimals in proper order yet. But since your arguments are flawed to begin with I guess the accuracy of the ChatGPT output is meaningless.
And I’ve answered your question “no” many times. What you haven’t done is acknowledge that you can not find a single antecedent for the investment that Clemson has and will make in Brad at any P5 school in the history of college basketball. You can’t because there is none. Yet, if it was so obviously the right way to manage a basketball program then it should be easy to find numerous examples. So, I’m waiting.
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May 30, 2025, 8:25 AM
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You have not answered "no" many times, but thanks for finally answering.
The fact that you think we underachieved when we went to the elite 8 and then followed it with a 27 win season is hilarious, pathetic and predictable.
This just proves you will never be satisfied with a brownell coached team unless he wins an acc championship, or a national title. Hell you were quoted saying you hope we win national title and then brownell be fired the next day. You of course said you were joking after you got roasted, but we all know it's true.
Cheers to you being a miserable clemson basketball "fan" for the rest of your life. If we continue on this trajectory, brownell will coach as long as he wants, and then donlan will likely get the job.
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Re: It depends on your definition of expectations.
May 30, 2025, 8:57 AM
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You have not answered "no" many times, but thanks for finally answering.
The fact that you think we underachieved when we went to the elite 8 and then followed it with a 27 win season is hilarious, pathetic and predictable.
This just proves you will never be satisfied with a brownell coached team unless he wins an acc championship, or a national title. Hell you were quoted saying you hope we win national title and then brownell be fired the next day. You of course said you were joking after you got roasted, but we all know it's true.
Cheers to you being a miserable clemson basketball "fan" for the rest of your life. If we continue on this trajectory, brownell will coach as long as he wants, and then donlan will likely get the job.
don't forget to post on this thread on over/under ACC schedule at link below, mtneer...
FYI, I think Donlon could be a backup candidate. I think if Clemson keeps winning until Coach Brownell wants to retire they could get a lot of big name coaches.
LINK:
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/thread/ou-conference-wins-next-year-2444425?tstart=0
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Re: It depends on your definition of expectations.
May 30, 2025, 9:45 AM
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You can’t pretend that Clemson’s hiring ability is in a vacuum that is affected only by Brownell’s ability to win. Clemson’s standing in the college sports world is near its peak. It is in a far different place than when Rick Stansbury reneged on a deal and we made a desperation hire in Brad Brownell. Clinging to Brownell as the ACC’s status relative to the SEC / BIG10 erodes may be one of the many opportunity costs of his protracted tenure. Clemson was flush with cash and enthusiasm from 2015-2020 and it was not yet obvious that the ACC would not survive as a major conference. That inevitability may become a burden in trying to hire top coaches - as it has been for many ACC football programs for awhile.
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Re: It depends on your definition of expectations.
May 30, 2025, 9:38 AM
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We had an RPI in the 30s, finished 6th in the conference, and got thumped in the first game of the ACC tourney before winning 3 games in the NCAA to finally put a gold star on his resume. We had a better regular in season in 2024-2025 but flopped when it mattered. Exceeding expectations is just “USA Today incorrectly ranks him this and we finished higher so mission accomplished.” A coach in year 16 has higher expectations in year 2. Compare the body of work next to anyone else close to him in salary. Only Missouri and their 3rd year coach have done less when you look at folks actually paid more:
Again, you can shut the debate down easily. Name one coach - just one - to be given more for less. Just answer the question or admit that we are squandering time and money. It’s not just the money. That’s the least of the concern. The opportunity costs - which are myriad - are what really matters.
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Re: It depends on your definition of expectations.
May 30, 2025, 3:22 PM
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Also crazy that we had 2 very different seasons but he got the same exact bonus amounts. Would loce to see your math on how he got the same exact bonus each season.
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Re: It depends on your definition of expectations.
May 30, 2025, 3:36 PM
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Because he got a much bigger bonus for the Elite 8 than just making the NCAA tourney. He got no ACC tourney bonus. ACC tourney seeding bonus is absurd for anything other than 1st place.
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Who are these people Brad is paying to post here?***
May 30, 2025, 3:43 PM
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Re: Who are these people Brad is paying to post here?***
May 30, 2025, 9:19 PM
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Do you seriously think talent agent / managers do not employ social media managers? Brownell is ultimately a sports entertainment figure with a contract worth millions to his agent in commissions. If you think they don’t engage in social media I don’t know what to tell you. And what do you think is the dominant social media outlet for Clemson sports? Maybe ClemsonMountaineers can teach you how to use ChatGPT.
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I will ask again, who specifically is being paid by Brad personally to post
May 30, 2025, 9:40 PM
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here? Who?
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Re: I will ask again, who specifically is being paid by Brad personally to post
May 30, 2025, 10:02 PM
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I’ll ask you again, which coach has offered a lower ROI?
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See, here's the thing Viz, I never made a claim about ROI...But now you, on the
May 30, 2025, 10:12 PM
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other hand, absolutely claimed our HC was personally paying people to post here...So who are they? Specifically?
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Re: See, here's the thing Viz, I never made a claim about ROI...But now you, on the
May 30, 2025, 10:27 PM
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Hit the showers. We just won ding dong.
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So you can't back up your ridiculous claim?***
May 30, 2025, 10:38 PM
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Re: LMAO at viz. Clearly incapable of answering the question.
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So the loss to McNeese State deserved a guarantee of a bare minimum of $7.5 million extra dollars than what he had arranged under his less than one year old contract? You have the gall to question anything about Dabo’s contract and crickets when Brad gets more of everything than he did when he made the Elite 8. Even as the deck is being cleared of any returning experienced players. Please, feel free to straighten me out and name a single coach ever given so much for so little at the P5 level. Please. I’m begging. Just one name to prove you aren’t just paid media influencers working for Brad’s digital PR team. Deep down you know that the most recent extension is an abomination and any reason you can give flies in the face of everything you’ve ever claimed about his character. It was a cynical cash grab from a juvenile, conflicted AD that looks to him as a mentor. Just absolutely pathetic that you can’t call it for what it was.
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Just answer the question.
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Can you acknowledge that Brad has overachieved the last two years based on his salary?
Clemson mountaineers posted the salary rank for Brad both years as well as our season record and ranking.
The ball is in your court.
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Re: Just answer the question.
May 29, 2025, 10:42 PM
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No, because it isn’t true. And my complaint is with the latest contract. I had no qualms with the extension from the 23-24 season. Now can you name me the coaches who gotten more for less? Since it’s so pathetic not answer pointed questions.
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Youre full of crap. The season was a major disappointment.
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Brad did not come close to overachieving. You’re simply full of crap, as usual. A disingenuous weasel to put it as kindly as possible.
Do you have any friends?
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The season was not a major disappointment, no matter how much you wanted
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it to be bowlhunter Sure it ended poorly, but the season itself was far from disappointing
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Good for and your baseless opinion.
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May 30, 2025, 3:11 PM
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The overall wins were nice, sure, but flopping on the postseason is what defines the season more than wins against the 5th rated conference in America.
We were expected to not necessarily reach another elite 8, but for the love of God losing in the first round to McNeese St with our roster and experience - that’s a disappointment. Period.
The regular season means virtually nothing. Based on what looked like a stepping stone last year fell apart in humiliations in the ACCT and NCAAT. Not meeting expectations for the postseason is the primary variable. The season as a whole was a disappointment.
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Nope...that dog ain't hunting***
May 30, 2025, 3:13 PM
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Perhaps you can respond to the points I made instead of an
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baseless comment and TD. Please grow up.
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You have no points...We beat two Top 5 teams last year, I watched it in person,
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not disappointed
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Again man, nice wins, and your opinion is noted.
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In my opinion it’s not possible to say the SEASON AS A WHOLE wasn’t disappointing in the eyes of the overwhelming vast majority of the fanbase. It’s just silly to act like after the McNeese loss they he common fan was okay with the season.
You can do a poll, right? Do something of substance for once.
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outing your scoks is enough service for me Bowlhunter***
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Sigh good luck growing up fellow Tiger. Priorities my man.***
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CU Medallion [18225]
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You have the emotional maturity of a man with at least a dozen other handles
May 30, 2025, 4:57 PM
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here...maybe take your own advice...Or do a better job hiding your new handle
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CU Medallion [19594]
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Re: Good for and your baseless opinion.
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The overall wins were nice, sure, but flopping on the postseason is what defines the season more than wins against the 5th rated conference in America.
We were expected to not necessarily reach another elite 8, but for the love of God losing in the first round to McNeese St with our roster and experience - that’s a disappointment. Period.
The regular season means virtually nothing. Based on what looked like a stepping stone last year fell apart in humiliations in the ACCT and NCAAT. Not meeting expectations for the postseason is the primary variable. The season as a whole was a disappointment.
You know starter Dillon Hunter the top glue guy on the team got hurt in the ACCT right before that game? Also, Shieff re injured his back right before that game.
I know you would say they had other guys that needed to step up. Well, they didn't and that is why they got sent packing in the portal for better players coming in.
As much complain that the 5th seed loss to McNeese they were the equivalent to Dallas Baptist as far as talent. It is not like Upstate in the baseball game tonight that would be the equivalent to losing to a 15 or 16 seed in the Basketball NCAAT. In other words should win that game by a decent margin tonight.
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I respect you and your adult approach, but an injury is not a good reason
May 30, 2025, 4:05 PM
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to lose to McNeese State. We should have better depth than them. We didn’t lose because we didn’t have Dillion Hunter.
Scheff had the 3rd most minutes that day and rebounded just fine. He just did not shoot well period. A supposed significant injury would limit his 33 minutes. If he was ineffective and hurting us due to injury, then coach shouldn’t have let him play the 3rd most minutes on the team.
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Re: Exceeding expectations......
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He made $3.8 million last year which places him much higher than 37. Granted, you do have to be able to read a chart. And for his double early exits he was rewarded with a contract that will comfortably put him in the top 20. Nice try though.
As long as he is winning and getting to the NCAAT on a regular basis and making a run here in there who cares what he makes. Just because it is year 16 the point is he wins now and keeps winning. Ok, get to the NCAAT 5 out of the next 6 years and no championships then you have a point. Because by that point recruiting will top 10-15 nationally. More you win the more your programs gets better...
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Re: Exceeding expectations......
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You’re literally saying we need to give him 20 years (while paying him at the level of coaches who have accomplished MUCH more) to properly access his ability. It’s absolutely insane. And yes, what we pay matters. Especially while tethered to a conference that is sinking financially.
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Re: Exceeding expectations......
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assess
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Neff gave him an extension so 2 things are obvious
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1)Brad Brownell is meeting expectations
2) winning any sort of championship is not an expectation
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Re: Neff gave him an extension so 2 things are obvious
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Exactly! Our AD and BoT have decided that just having a somewhat competitive team is what Clemson is willing to pay for.
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Somewhat competitive?
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Seriously?
We are the second best team in the ACC over the past two years. We have set records during these last two years never before seen in our program.
We have beaten the likes of Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Arizona, and Baylor during that span. We are 5-0 in our last 5 games against AP top 5 teams.
I truly don’t understand how some of you can be so negative and whiny about our basketball program in light of the above info, but seem to have no issue with our football program underachieving four years in a row with an unimpressive record against top 25 teams, a poor record against SEC teams, and an embarrassing record against the best teams we’ve faced (0-5 against our last 5 AP top 5 teams).
I believe that Dabo is improving things and we will be better this year. I also believe Brad has clearly improved things and we will be good this year. It is in our best interest as an athletic department and as fans to be strong in both. Why can’t some of you support both teams?
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Re: Exceeding expectations......
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I have not always on board with Clemson Mountaineer, but he has a point here.
I don't get all the hate toward the basketball program unless it is, again, for retaliation ,for the bad choices for posts from the Judge.
Hey, I get from number of years ago. I wanted him gone after the 2016-17 season. He then followed that with a sweet sixteen run. I was disappointed in the year after that and then the following year, and then another NCAAT and then a couple of years later two straight NCAATs including an Elite 8 and the program has been the best it has been in awhile including greater continued facility upgrades, coaching assistants, and NIL backing.
Seems like the basketball program gets more respect from outside the footprint of this site including nationally.
You go to talking heads on ACCN and college basketball podcast sites like Field of 68 and they indicate Coach Brownell has it going on and is not going anywhere. Who cares it it took him 13 years are not, now.
Here is some examples where programs have it better than Clemson, but for some reason don't now.
Wake Forest has a lot better history in basketball then Clemson and now under after year 5 of Steve Forbes he still can't get to the NCAAT. In fact, think they have been to one NCAAT in the last 13 years. Do you want to switch coaches with them now?
UVa has struggled a lot lately especially after Tony Bennet retired. Odom was a good hire who did a good job in the portal this off season, but no promises he is a better coach and staff than Coach Brownell now.
Everyone says that Coach Brownell still hasn't won a championship. Well, there are a lot of prorams in the power conferences who haven't done that in football and basketball. In fact you don't look at that as far as achievement national in the two by far top revenue sports. You look at post seasons overall success. Bowl games, at least some Bowl wins in football, and NCAATs and maybe a few runs. Notice I didn't say championships in either of those two sports. Yeah, the top programs or blue bloods they are like Clemson in Football and blue blood programs like Duke, Kansas, and UNC in Basketball they do expect that but not Clemson in basketball now.
As much as you might hate it If Graham Neff fired Coach Brownell today, he would be laughed at by local and national media and if is successor didn't produce winning in 3 or 4 years tops he would be fired. Just look at the recruiting going on now. The program is involved with many top 50-100 more than at any other time in basketball.
Give it a few more years and if things taper off then Coach Brownell can be forced into retirement and then start his new job with the athletic department.
This team has the talent with all the additions to get back to the NCAAT next season and it will be only third time in program history that a current HC has taken a team to three straight NCAATs. I could give a rats ****** if it is year 16 or years 3. Just win. Evan Miya is the best college basketball analytical guy has Clemson transfer class in the top 20. See link. Add that s good defensive glue guy PG leader in Dillon Hunter, two top 100 4 star guys who were redshirted, another good recruiting class coming in including guard Zac Foster who keeps climbing into the top 50-60 HS recruits coming in and have the makings of a team going to back to the NCAAT even if the ACC will be a lot better. Support the program and see what happens. Link:
https://x.com/EvanMiya/status/1925277011490341137
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Re: Exceeding expectations......
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Evan Miya does have a good statistical model though any statistical model can have bias in certain areas. In particular, his transfer portal rankings are similarly biased towards teams that have to bring in greater number of those recruits (similar to how other recruiting rankings are biased in favor of teams that bring in greater number of recruits despite their talent status).
Regarding Clemson though, Coach Brownell has done a decent job at replacing the talent that left the team last year (either through graduation or the transfer portal) using Bart Torvik's data analysis chart.
Outgoing Total Proven Talent: 18.7
Incoming Total Proven Talent: 16 (taking the player's best year talent measures)
Current projections based on the proven talent that we have seem to slot us on or just outside the bubble. Torvik's own model has us as the 48th best projected team next year, which we have not made the tourney when we have ranked lower than 43rd (according to his model).
There are a lot more unknowns going into this season relative to the past couple years ranging from player development to team cohesion and leadership. The confidence interval in our projection is quite wide due to these unknowns so we could see a 3rd consecutive NCAA tournament appearance or a middling team that underperformed. I am fascinated to see what the team looks like this coming season and how the players' development, both of which will hopefully lead to Clemson attaining a greater team talent measure than what Torvik's talent measure currently has for the team.
Source: https://barttorvik.com/
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How pathetic
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…how much does the mcneese st coach make? Smdh.
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Re: How pathetic
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…how much does the mcneese st coach make? Smdh.
He is at NC State now.
Wisconsin which has had a historically better program than Clemson was a 5 seed lost to 12 seed James Madison in the 1st round last year in the 2024 NCAAT . He did not lose his job. 12 seeds upsetting 5 seeds happens almost every year. The last couple times Clemson was a 5th seed they won over 12 seed. Law of averages it is going to happen.
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Re: How pathetic
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Greg Gard has been there 10 seasons. He has made the NCAA tourney 7 out of 9 possible seasons. He has two Big 10 regular season titles. He will make less base salary than Brad next year and has roughly 1/3 of the bonus opportunities. His buyout is also $2.5 million lower. You’re better than this.
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Re: How pathetic
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Greg Gard has been there 10 seasons. He has made the NCAA tourney 7 out of 9 possible seasons. He has two Big 10 regular season titles. He will make less base salary than Brad next year and has roughly 1/3 of the bonus opportunities. His buyout is also $2.5 million lower. You’re better than this.
I said they have a better program. My main point was that 12 seeds upset 5 seeds, even better than Clemson...
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Re: How pathetic
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Jizztiz tries to make it seem like you are arguing something you are not. The simpletons fall for it.
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Re: How pathetic
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as he argues something I'm not. Glass houses. And personal attacks. Learn to behave.
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Re: How pathetic
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it's not about him not being fired. It is about him being disproportionately rewarded.
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Re: How pathetic
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Scre w the numbers. Clemson shouldn’t lose to Mcneese St in November December January or February as well!
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Re: How pathetic
May 29, 2025, 4:14 PM
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How about sliding the responsible coach a cool $7.5 million as minimum extra money for the distinction.
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*but that was just one game*
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It’s not indicative of the humongous pile of accomplishments that can be listed for Brad.
I’ll start. In 15 years…
1. One Elite 8
2. One Sweet 16
3. World Champions!
4….
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No.***
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National Champion [8002]
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Youre nuts. A great coach doesnt win only ONE game in two
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postseason tournaments. He’s had one as expected season in 15 years.
You’re a fraud, Judge Keller.
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This one good season narrative is as phony as your new handle
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I see you still live in an emotionally immature fantasy world.
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Please grow up. Your priorities are really screwed up.
By the way, will you ever make a post of substance on this board? I mean you’re not even here for the sports discussion. You just lay in the weeds waiting. You need a new hobby man.
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What do you know about emotional maturity? You have blown through at least
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a dozen handles...How many got banned because you pitched a fit and demanded to be banned?
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Sheeeeeee's baaaaack...and no he did not exceed any expectations...at most he
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met Neff's expectations.
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According to the Derp Squad here, hes overpaid and hasnt accomplished anything***
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I showed the 15 year list of accomplishments.
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1. Elite 8
2. Sweet 16
15 years and millions upon millions of dollars, and that’s it.
What else you got?
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It's two Sweet Sixteens, not one...That's 40% of our five total Sweet Sixteen
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appearances...Only coach with two
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Re: It's two Sweet Sixteens, not one...That's 40% of our five total Sweet Sixteen
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So guy given more time and money than anyone in the history of the entire profession to only achieve “two Sweet Sixteens” and “an Elite Eight” (he phrased it fine - listing the S16 AND the E8 is redundant but whatever) is a flex? You’re a pragmatic guy, right? Name the coach who has done less with more? All you have to do is name a single coach who has had more time OR money invested in him to have an empty trophy case. Literally thousands of coaches. Just one? And that coach, who you can’t name a single example more invested in by his Universiy, greedily leverages himself $7.5 million in guaranteed new money for a first round flop. He is the greatest long-con grifter in the history of the game. But is a mediocre coach.
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Hilarious...He is the greatest long-con grifter in the history of the game...
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That's funnier than Brad's paid plants posting...You need to get help though
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Re: Hilarious...He is the greatest long-con grifter in the history of the game...
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Just one name. None of you geniuses can put your heads together and come up with a single name.
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Name one person Brad had paid to post here...One***
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Re: Name one person Brad had paid to post here...One***
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You first? I’ve asked many many times.
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So you claim that our BB coach is actually paying people to post here, but you
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Re: So you claim that our BB coach is actually paying people to post here, but you
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Name the coach who has been a worse ROI and I’ll answer.
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You can't back up your ridiculous claims...real shocker huh?***
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It's a miracle Brownell is still the coach after surviving a decade plus
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of lackluster seasons. And while Clemson leadership has shown amazing patience in retaining Brownell, the teams and Brownell deserve the high praise they've received over the past two regular seasons.
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Uhhhh dont we have a baseball regional tomorrow?
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Why you bringing this up now? October will get here soon enough.
~JKB
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Re: Uhhhh dont we have a baseball regional tomorrow?
May 29, 2025, 10:31 PM
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It’s part of the Brad fan agenda. Most of them are not actually Clemson fans. Some are coots. Some are scocks. Some are on Brad’s payroll. But they aren’t fans of Clemson athletics. So they take digs at Dabo and distract from other, more successful programs. It’s a well worn playbook.
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Re: Uhhhh dont we have a baseball regional tomorrow?
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May 29, 2025, 11:06 PM
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Yep..it’s baseball season - I agree - who cares …
Typical straw man argument ..as most of these posts are…referring to the OP..
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Re: Uhhhh dont we have a baseball regional tomorrow?
May 29, 2025, 11:32 PM
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It’s part of the Brad fan agenda. Most of them are not actually Clemson fans. Some are coots. Some are scocks. Some are on Brad’s payroll. But they aren’t fans of Clemson athletics. So they take digs at Dabo and distract from other, more successful programs. It’s a well worn playbook.
And that's the sad thing about it. That's not on my agenda at all
I support the other programs especially football. All I want is a basketball program about a 3rd as successful as the football program. Now that it is finally relevant again after 15 years, I want to keep it that way. If Coach Brownell makes more money as long as he keeps winning give it to him. It will probably be his last contract extension as he will probably retire at year 20 or so. If he makes the NCAAT 4 of the next 5 years and makes a few more runs he deserves it. Again only if he does that. The Judge has made it almost impossible for fans to root for basketball. Just put him on ignore if he is making you feel that way.
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Re: Uhhhh dont we have a baseball regional tomorrow?
May 30, 2025, 1:13 AM
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I don’t count you in that. I find your notion that Brad’s free money granted in his new contract more than a little obtuse. But I think you’re respectful in your agreements and disagreements.
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God, you don't actually believe your BS do you? Some are on Brad's payroll?
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May 29, 2025, 11:36 PM
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But aren't fans of Clemson Athletics? I have season tickets to two sports and I will vehemently defend the basketball program from losers like you who don't actually support it,but just whine about it here
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Re: God, you don't actually believe your BS do you? Some are on Brad's payroll?
May 30, 2025, 1:15 AM
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Did I mention you? Why would you prick up your ears like that? Don’t be a “useful idiot” for Judge Keller and his scock parade if you don’t want their mud on you.?
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JK has him on ignore
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May 30, 2025, 7:05 AM
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lol.
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Re: JK has him on ignore
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May 30, 2025, 7:57 AM
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He’s had some other questionable accounts on ignore. I assumed it was to prevent cross-posting from scocks. Maybe he just really doesn’t like his own arguments.
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CU Medallion [18225]
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You really do see Keller everywhere don't you?***
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May 30, 2025, 2:57 PM
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Just in case its denied later
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May 30, 2025, 4:04 PM
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Probably just another misunderstanding that the mods will privately apologize for. I’m sure he’s messaging the other poster as we speak to ask if he can unignore him. Fortunately, as a deputy moderator, I can access screenshots.
lol
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I count sixteen unique names here, how many did you count?
May 30, 2025, 4:21 PM
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no apologies necessary...Can't wait to hear you spin it now
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Re: JK has him on ignore
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May 30, 2025, 5:53 PM
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Hahahaahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaahahahaahhahahahahahahahaha
You have officially lost it man. This is sad and pathetic.
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He's not showing up as one of the 16 on my Ignored by list
May 30, 2025, 3:02 PM
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lol
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